I'm going to start AFK farming, I deserve SP for hurting my team. I also deserve to keep it because literally doing nothing counts as earning.

I am not a cop, I am not a king, I can't tell anyone what they can or cannot do in the game.

I am at best a senator who can voice the expression that afking is not welcomed and in clear violation of the right to fight to the emperors who can then force you all to stop afking.

All I can say about it right now is that there is a CCP team working on this RIGHT now.

I am not a cop, I am not a king, I can't tell anyone what they can or cannot do in the game.

I am at best a senator who can voice the expression that afking is not welcomed and in clear violation of the right to fight to the emperors who can then force you all to stop afking.

All I can say about it right now is that there is a CCP team working on this RIGHT now.

I am not a cop, I am not a king, I can't tell anyone what they can or cannot do in the game.

I am at best a senator who can voice the expression that afking is not welcomed and in clear violation of the right to fight to the emperors who can then force you all to stop afking.

All I can say about it right now is that there is a CCP team working on this RIGHT now.

What about taking away SP earned through AFKing at a time when it is technically a legal mechanic?

Thank you for the first even remotely reasonable response by a CPM on this subject.

"Not playing is a legitimate way of playing". Maken : 1 Logic : 0

Dude, your so full of ****. Jenza said she thinks it should be fixed, but her not telling people how to play is unreasonable? Get over yourself.

Jenza's post didn't say anything other than I AFK even though I don't like it because other people started it. That's what I got. At least IWS stayed firmly neutral and mentioned something actually relevant to the issue at hand; CCP working on it RIGHT now.

Well, I should've known you were just trolling me this whole time. I'll give you 9/10 for keeping me up like this.

I don't like AFKers at all and feel CCP should have addressed this issue long ago when it was clear it would become a problem.

Those are your own words. If anything you're the one trolling, both here and when you're AFK in the MCC.

I don't like AFKers at all and feel CCP should have addressed this issue long ago when it was clear it would become a problem.

I don't AFK. Did you even read my posts? I'm the guy willing to run into a gunfight with a knife while I see heavies with HMGs parking themselves in the MCC doing nothing and you call me an AFKer?

Even if you don't AFK, the words above are still yours. Calling not playing a legitimate way of playing is nonsensical and moronic.

But it is... the Sp system says so.

Glossary of terms.

CCP is a game company who wants to launch this "triple-A game" and become some sort of shining star in the ocean of video games out there with their one-shard sandboxy ideals.

CPM is a group of players who have the trust of the community and acts as the mediator between CCP and players.

AFK is the exploit that allows risk-free farming of reward that is normally gained by active gameplay, by taking advantage of the real playing people.

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In the ideal situation.

CCP, with their ideals and goals in mind, what they do should have the wider gaming community in mind, because people are always watching. Maybe not now, but in the future, whatever you do is your history, and your history tells people what kind of games you make, and how you run it. To CCP, AFK should be regarded as an exploit and those who make use of it should be punished, or at least set a target of getting the problem fixed.

CPM, with player's interest in mind, should discourage this AFK exploit because it is not doing the game any good. It is a stupid bug, a stupid exploit that ruins the game for those who want to actually play. CPM, normally, should discourage AFK farming, and should be communicating to CCP about how unhealthy this is.

AFK, being an exploit that ruins, nullify, invalidate, even discourage active gameplay (why fight a fight without your teammates when you can just AFK with them?), should be made illegal, discouraged, and eliminated with the fury of a thousand suns.

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In reality.

CCP is quiet about the whole thing, and does not seem to care about the cancer that is killing the game.

CPM is actively AFKing, and openly talks about it in the forum, and takes no action to discourage this exploit.

AFK is not regarded as an exploit, and is the most rewarding way, the perfect way to "play" the game.

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In my heart, crying out loud.

What the flying kittens.

Even if you don't AFK, the words above are still yours. Calling not playing a legitimate way of playing is nonsensical and moronic.

You can't possibly believe the junk you write. It's borked... and you can get away with it... end of story. Trying to justify it is kind of pathetic.

If you are going to do AFK... then just shut up and do it. Don't bother trying to defend it -- unless you like looking stupid.

and you can get away with it

Man how many of these threads are there today? First the Anti-Kain thread, which was really about AFKing and now this one. All in all though, a good read, bad trolling, not informative at all, lacks substance....I give this thread a 4, but only because there was community involvement.

Say whatever you want, but no rules were broken up to this point. It's as simple as that.

I agree that farming SP via AFKing must stop because I don't like it. But I don't and never will agree that the AFK players should be punished by having their SP removed when the system was intentionally put into place by CCP.

You clearly put effort into it, 1/10

I've already agreed that the chance of them doing anything (with regards to punishment) is basically zero, but don't try and act as if the AFK farmers are just harmless bystandards here.

Technically the limitless orbital strike glitch didn't break any rules either--the point was that it wasn't intended to work like that. It's pretty clear the SP system now is the same way. Stop defending it as if the people aren't deliberately trying to fleece the system.

An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.

Overall, what I'm trying to say here is that it's one thing to remove the AFK SP farming but it's another to try to retroactively remove the SP earned when none of the players who were farming were breaking any rules. Yes, I defend their actions by virtue of the fact that they can do whatever they want with the tools given to them. Yes, their actions cheapen our efforts for those of us who actually put forth effort and therefore this mechanic in which SP is earned for time played must be removed. But I will not stand silent to the fact that some people here want to remove the SP earned this way.

Since no rules were broken, there should be no punishment (in this case removing SP earned). Just simply take away the AFK-promoting mechanic and be done with it.

I'm almost positive there was something we agreed to at some point (EULA maybe) that states we will not knowingly and willingly use exploits in the game. So rules were broken. Tears were shed. Now SP should be lost (and hopefully more tears will be shed).

Fully endorse removing SP from AFK farmers.

We'll just end this debate here right now and wait for CCP to make an official announcement on the matter.

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