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Veiny Throbbing Joystick
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:52:00 -
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CCP's silence on this issue is really disappointing.
CPM's inaction is also really disappointing. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:53:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:CCP's silence on this issue is really disappointing.
CPM's inaction is also really disappointing. They have more important things to worry about, like idk... the new build? and release? Did you think you were some kind of messiaic revolutionary or something? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2172
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:55:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Did CCP punish the players crashing those LAVs? No they didn't. I was there when those shenanigans occurred and when orbital strikes were coming in literally every minute during the whole 15 minute match. CCP will fix the problem the AFKing but will not punish the players who were AFKing because no rules were broken. Gamers; if someone doesn't tell me it's wrong, it's ok, because **** principles.
Finally, someone who understands New Eden. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3655
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:56:00 -
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Taking SP gained from AFK farming would not be a punishment. How would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it. I say take away all SP made from AFK farming (if possible).
Whether your PS3 is off, your in your MQ, or you're AFK in the MCC, you're doing NOTHING. One version of doing nothing (AFK farming) gives more SP than the other ways of doing nothing, so AFK farming has an unfair advantage over other methods of doing nothing. The worse part is, the method of doing nothing that gives the most SP actually hurts the team since it takes up a player slot that could otherwise be used by someone productively. Basically you get rewarded for doing nothing AND for hurting your team. |
Veiny Throbbing Joystick
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:57:00 -
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It is not about New Eden. This is about a real life game that is called Dust 514 and there is a bug in the game that lets you sit out the game and do nothing and still gain SP from it although you are ruining other people's gameplay. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:59:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Taking SP gained from AFK farming would not be a punishment. How would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it.
Says who? Currently the only requirement to earn Active SP is entering a match, no one said I had to leave the MCC. I earned my SP fair and square. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:00:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:It is not about New Eden. This is about a real life game that is called Dust 514 and there is a bug in the game that lets you sit out the game and do nothing and still gain SP from it although you are ruining other people's gameplay. It's not a bug, it's the consequences of noob friendly SP system that rewards you more for time spent in a match instead of for your actions during that match. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
53
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:02:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:jenza aranda wrote:CCP knows about the issue and are working to fix it allong with advisement of the CPM in the new build. CCP has not, however, deemed it to be a exploit and so far have no plans to punish those doing it.
We are in a sandbox with lots of tools to do what we want. its our choice to do what we want and build what we want with those tools so long as they exist. Regardless of if i like them or not, its not my place to tell people how to play with those tools, its CCPs. Your failure to recognize this AFK mechanism to be a cancerous and is killing the game worries me. Your "sandbox" argument does not even make sense. Sandbox refers to the endless possibilities players can create with their tools. AFK makes it meaningless to play with the sandbox. How can you not see this?
+1
I'm usually pretty quite on the forums but FFS every time I read one of Jenzas post recently , it feels like shes just putting sentences together to sound more intelligent or like its going to trigger a pat on the back from a Dev..... I take back what i said in the other thread This has got to be the most ignorant thing ive read....
Get your head out of the CCP ass and take a few deep breaths.. If you want to sound intelligent "Pub matches" are supposed to be considered "High Sec" right? Well there are fewer tools in highsec then there are low sec/null.. So maybe, a tool should be added so we can properly take care of someone not contributing to a scripted match where there aren't many tools to begin with.. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3655
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:03:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Taking SP gained from AFK farming would not be a punishment. How would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it.
Says who? Currently the only requirement to earn Active SP is entering a match, no one said I had to leave the MCC. I earned my SP fair and square. The point of giving SP for just being in a match to ensure that new/bad players make a minimum amount of SP to ensure they can progress, and NOT for you people to essentially get a free passive booster. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
248
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:06:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
Did CCP punish the players crashing those LAVs? No they didn't. I was there when those shenanigans occurred and when orbital strikes were coming in literally every minute during the whole 15 minute match. CCP will fix the problem the AFKing but will not punish the players who were AFKing because no rules were broken.
EDIT:
I remember the "limitless orbital" bug you mentioned. It was tested once and reported immediately to CCP by the corp who first discovered it. As a result, it was used only once or twice before an extended downtime kicked in fixing it.
No, they won't. Whether they should or not is another question entirely.
But your response was taken from the "it's okay for them to do whatever" not the "what they did was wrong, but i realize they won't be punished" point of view:
Quote:What I'm trying to say here is that everyone here is allowed to do as they wish.
Quote:No one has any right to tell anyone how to play in the sandbox.
It's too bad there are so many of you super liberal (not in a political sense) apologists, or else we might actually shame CCP into punishing them.
NeoWraith Acedia wrote:genius
Thanks.
Quote:Protobear squads and incompetent new-berries ruin my experience too.
Protobears are actually playing the game. You have to distinguish between legitimate ways of playing and exploits. It should be pretty obvious to you that not playing isn't a legitimate way of playing (herp derp). Proto suits are a fundamental part of the game (as are new players).
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2173
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:07:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Taking SP gained from AFK farming would not be a punishment. How would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it. I say take away all SP made from AFK farming (if possible).
I'm not trolling when I say this:
You are effectively asking CCP to punish players for using a tool in a way that technically didn't violate the rules. The tool is the mechanic implemented by CCP long ago that allows you to earn WP/SP from time spent in the match as part of their experiment. The experiment didn't go very well so they will likely remove that feature but they will not remove the SP earned because the players were merely doing what they were allowed to do under the mechanics.
What you are suggesting is like this:
You put a lab rat on one end of the maze and a lump of cheese on the other. You then leave tiny trails of very small crumbs of cheese somewhere alone the way because you think the lab rat won't make it to the other side of the maze in time before starving to death. You then realize that the rat is not going after the big lump of cheese and is just sitting around munching on the crumbs you left around. You then decide to remove those crumbs and leave the big cheese where it is so that the rat can finally get moving. But before you let the rat move, you pick up the rat and force it to vomit what it just ate. Effectively punishing the rat for eating what you gave it. |
EKH0 0ne
A0C
23
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:09:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:crying TL:DR version right there.
Thanks +1 |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2748
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:09:00 -
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Except we aren't rats, we're people, and we should have the ability to distinguish right from wrong |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
248
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:11:00 -
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I want everyone who abused this exploit to be branded with the Scarlet Letters: AFK. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
101
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:12:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:
I'm not trolling when I say this:
You are effectively asking CCP to punish players for using a tool in a way that technically didn't violate the rules. The tool is the mechanic implemented by CCP long ago that allows you to earn WP/SP from time spent in the match as part of their experiment. The experiment didn't go very well so they will likely remove that feature but they will not remove the SP earned because the players were merely doing what they were allowed to do under the mechanics.
What you are suggesting is like this:
You put a lab rat on one end of the maze and a lump of cheese on the other. You then leave tiny trails of very small crumbs of cheese somewhere alone the way because you think the lab rat won't make it to the other side of the maze in time before starving to death. You then realize that the rat is not going after the big lump of cheese and is just sitting around munching on the crumbs you left around. You then decide to remove those crumbs and leave the big cheese where it is so that the rat can finally get moving. But before you let the rat move, you pick up the rat and force it to vomit what it just ate. Effectively punishing the rat for eating what you gave it.
Seriously, that is the best analogy you can come up with? |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:13:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Taking SP gained from AFK farming would not be a punishment. How would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it.
Says who? Currently the only requirement to earn Active SP is entering a match, no one said I had to leave the MCC. I earned my SP fair and square. The point of giving SP for just being in a match to ensure that new/bad players make a minimum amount of SP to ensure they can progress, and NOT for you people to essentially get a free passive booster. Well, we all see how well the current system worked out
How about an SP system with diminishing returns instead? There, problem solved.
2000 SP for 500 WP 3000 for 1000 3500 for 1500 And so on, for ambush.
And then skirmish would be
3000 for 500 WP 4500 for 1000 WP 5200 for 1500 WP And so on
We can even add 2 sp for each second in the match
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2173
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:18:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:It's too bad there are so many of you super liberal (not in a political sense) apologists, or else we might actually shame CCP into punishing them.
So what? CCP never told me that I have no choice but to jump out of the MCC. But I do it anyways because I like the action of stabbing enemies. And I don't see CCP telling me that I shouldn't team kill my fellow blueberries with an LAV (remembering to switch seats just before impact). |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3660
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:19:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Taking SP gained from AFK farming would not be a punishment. How would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it. I say take away all SP made from AFK farming (if possible). I'm not trolling when I say this: You are effectively asking CCP to punish players for using a tool in a way that technically didn't violate the rules. The tool is the mechanic implemented by CCP long ago that allows you to earn WP/SP from time spent in the match as part of their experiment. The experiment didn't go very well so they will likely remove that feature but they will not remove the SP earned because the players were merely doing what they were allowed to do under the mechanics. What you are suggesting is like this: You put a lab rat on one end of the maze and a lump of cheese on the other. You then leave tiny trails of very small crumbs of cheese somewhere alone the way because you think the lab rat won't make it to the other side of the maze in time before starving to death. You then realize that the rat is not going after the big lump of cheese and is just sitting around munching on the crumbs you left around. You then decide to remove those crumbs and leave the big cheese where it is so that the rat can finally get moving. But before you let the rat move, you pick up the rat and force it to vomit what it just ate. Effectively punishing the rat for eating what you gave it.
Its more like forgetting to make a law that outlaws stealing, and then upon realizing your mistake you take all the stolen goods back from the thieves, but then not throwing the thieves in jail or any other punishment. Oh no, those poor thieves got their unearned stolen goods taken away from them, what a terrible punishment |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
154
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:23:00 -
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Since skirmish stats arent tracking how do you prove you weren't AFK in those games it could look like it if you have low lifetime WP but high SP how do you know they are AFK and not just suffering from this glitch? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2173
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:25:00 -
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It's incredible how some of you people act. Just because someone used a legitimate mechanic in a way you don't agree with, suddenly you want to punish them for it? |
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:26:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Since skirmish stats arent tracking how do you prove you weren't AFK in those games it could look like it if you have low lifetime WP but high SP how do you know they are AFK and not just suffering from this glitch?
Maybe there is currently no way to tell who is who.
But CCP needs to at leaststart addressing this issue. Because if this afk business is allowed to go on, the game will be nicknamed AFK514 very soon. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2750
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:27:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It's incredible how some of you people act. Just because someone used a legitimate mechanic in a way you don't agree with, suddenly you want to punish them for it?
Exactly. CCP, why the hell aren't I getting my SP in my merc quarters? Why is the MCC so different? This is bull ****, quit telling me how to play MY game! |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
250
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:28:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:It's too bad there are so many of you super liberal (not in a political sense) apologists, or else we might actually shame CCP into punishing them. So what? CCP never told me that I have no choice but to jump out of the MCC. But I do it anyways because I like the action of stabbing enemies. And I don't see CCP telling me that I shouldn't team kill my fellow blueberries with an LAV (remembering to switch seats just before impact).
At some point you realize that trying to use reason to have a discussion with people who are willfully avoiding even the merest notion of it...is pointless.
I guess when CCP finally fixes this, Maken can explain to us using his impeccable reasoning how the next SP exploit isn't an SP exploit. Until that time I'll be sure to TK every single PRO scrub (which is all of you) I see since CCP hasn't specifically told me not to. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2173
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:29:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Its more like forgetting to make a law that outlaws stealing, and then upon realizing your mistake you take all the stolen goods back from the thieves, but then not throwing the thieves in jail or any other punishment. Oh no, those poor thieves got their unearned stolen goods taken away from them, what a terrible punishment
When coke was still legal in the US, the government realize how much of a bad idea it was to keep it legal. So they outlawed it. But because the US Constitution stated that no man/woman should be punished for committing an act that was deemed legal at the time, no one who previously owned coke was arrested. They were only arrested if they possessed coke while it is deemed illegal. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:It's incredible how some of you people act. Just because someone used a legitimate mechanic in a way you don't agree with, suddenly you want to punish them for it? Exactly. CCP, why the hell aren't I getting my SP in my merc quarters? Why is the MCC so different? This is bull ****, quit telling me how to play MY game! This isn't your game, nor is that even your character, you simply have a license that allows you access to the content of this game. Getting points for AFKing in matches is currently part of that content. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3661
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:32:00 -
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I'm going to start AFK farming, I deserve SP for hurting my team. I also deserve to keep it because literally doing nothing counts as earning. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2173
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:33:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:At some point you realize that trying to use reason to have a discussion with people who are willfully avoiding even the merest notion of it...is pointless.
You're right. It's point to use reason as part of a discussion with you. You so willfully ignore the facts. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3804
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:33:00 -
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I am not a cop, I am not a king, I can't tell anyone what they can or cannot do in the game.
I am at best a senator who can voice the expression that afking is not welcomed and in clear violation of the right to fight to the emperors who can then force you all to stop afking.
All I can say about it right now is that there is a CCP team working on this RIGHT now. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
251
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:33:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It's incredible how some of you people act. Just because someone used a legitimate mechanic in a way you don't agree with, suddenly you want to punish them for it?
"Not playing is a legitimate way of playing". Maken : 1 Logic : 0 |
Gunmouse
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
49
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:34:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:AFK is the exploit that allows risk-free farming of reward that is normally gained by active gameplay, by taking advantage of the real playing people. LOL you go girl I ain't seen this much QQ'n on the forums in a long time. Also, these "real playing people" you speak of that I "take advantage of" is completely laughable. I don't need you scrubby bluedots to AFK skillpoints.... please. You add nothing to my work at all get real. |
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