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NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:57:00 - [1] - Quote Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote: crying TL:DR version right there.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:15:00 - [2] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: A lot of those bad blue and reds are trying to learn how to play the game... and it's just possible that having good players showing them how it works might help them out. Protobears are probably more detrimental for the game than AFKers.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:25:00 - [3] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Just last night, I single handedly won a skirmish match all by myself. Not because I'm this godly FPS player, because I was the only one that wasn't AFK. You earned your SP faster than them, what do you care? They could have all played in start fits and it would have been the same result.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:50:00 - [4] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: the game is flawed. Well duh, how long did it take you to figure that out genius? Quote: People AFKing ruins my experience Protobear squads and incompetent new-berries ruin my experience too. It's bad game mechanics, and CCP is working on fixing them, get over it.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:53:00 - [5] - Quote Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote: CCP's silence on this issue is really disappointing. CPM's inaction is also really disappointing. They have more important things to worry about, like idk... the new build? and release? Did you think you were some kind of messiaic revolutionary or something?
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:59:00 - [6] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Taking SP gained from AFK farming would not be a punishment. How would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it. Says who? Currently the only requirement to earn Active SP is entering a match, no one said I had to leave the MCC. I earned my SP fair and square.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:00:00 - [7] - Quote Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote: It is not about New Eden. This is about a real life game that is called Dust 514 and there is a bug in the game that lets you sit out the game and do nothing and still gain SP from it although you are ruining other people's gameplay. It's not a bug, it's the consequences of noob friendly SP system that rewards you more for time spent in a match instead of for your actions during that match.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:13:00 - [8] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Taking SP gained from AFK farming would not be a punishment. How would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it. Says who? Currently the only requirement to earn Active SP is entering a match, no one said I had to leave the MCC. I earned my SP fair and square. The point of giving SP for just being in a match to ensure that new/bad players make a minimum amount of SP to ensure they can progress, and NOT for you people to essentially get a free passive booster. Well, we all see how well the current system worked out How about an SP system with diminishing returns instead? There, problem solved. 2000 SP for 500 WP 3000 for 1000 3500 for 1500 And so on, for ambush. And then skirmish would be 3000 for 500 WP 4500 for 1000 WP 5200 for 1500 WP And so on We can even add 2 sp for each second in the match
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:31:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: It's incredible how some of you people act. Just because someone used a legitimate mechanic in a way you don't agree with, suddenly you want to punish them for it? Exactly. CCP, why the hell aren't I getting my SP in my merc quarters? Why is the MCC so different? This is bull ****, quit telling me how to play MY game! This isn't your game, nor is that even your character, you simply have a license that allows you access to the content of this game. Getting points for AFKing in matches is currently part of that content.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:35:00 - [10] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I'm going to start AFK farming, I deserve SP for hurting my team. I also deserve to keep it because literally doing nothing counts as earning. You did do something, you joined a match, that counts as earning at the moment

NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:39:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am not a cop, I am not a king, I can't tell anyone what they can or cannot do in the game. I am at best a senator who can voice the expression that afking is not welcomed and in clear violation of the right to fight to the emperors who can then force you all to stop afking. All I can say about it right now is that there is a CCP team working on this RIGHT now. What about taking away SP earned through AFKing at a time when it is technically a legal mechanic? Honestly i would be fine if CCP took my "I'll gotten" SP, but I'd like them to at least tell us if they have a problem with us doing it first.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:41:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am not a cop, I am not a king, I can't tell anyone what they can or cannot do in the game. I am at best a senator who can voice the expression that afking is not welcomed and in clear violation of the right to fight to the emperors who can then force you all to stop afking. All I can say about it right now is that there is a CCP team working on this RIGHT now. Thank you for the first even remotely reasonable response by a CPM on this subject. Dude, your so full of ****. Jenza said she thinks it should be fixed, but her not telling people how to play is unreasonable? Get over yourself.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:47:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Dude, your so full of ****. Jenza said she thinks it should be fixed, but her not telling people how to play is unreasonable? Get over yourself. Jenza's post didn't say anything other than I AFK even though I don't like it because other people started it. That's what I got. At least IWS stayed firmly neutral and mentioned something actually relevant to the issue at hand; CCP working on it RIGHT now. We all know they're working on it, they said that a long time ago.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:50:00 - [14] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: I don't like AFKers at all and feel CCP should have addressed this issue long ago when it was clear it would become a problem. But they didn't. probably cause they didn't consider it a problem till all you crybabies showed up.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:58:00 - [15] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Even if you don't AFK, the words above are still yours. Calling not playing a legitimate way of playing is nonsensical and moronic. But it is... the Sp system says so.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2013.05.03 01:11:00 - [16] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: But it is... the Sp system says so. You can't possibly believe the junk you write. It's borked... and you can get away with it... end of story. Trying to justify it is kind of pathetic. If you are going to do AFK... then just shut up and do it. Don't bother trying to defend it -- unless you like looking stupid. Does the SP system reward even if I don't do anything? Why yes, yes it odes. And 'm not justifying my actions I AFK because I want the SP, that's it, oh and it's hard to respond to you guys while I play Quote: and you can get away with it Says who? A bunch of crybabies such as yourself? i'll get away with whatever CCP let's me get away with. If CCP wants to take my SP, then let them, but that's on CCP, not little kittens like you.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.03 02:05:00 - [17] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Just as a matter of curiosity, I looked up the EULA for EVE, which cites the adherence to the Rules of Conduct. Number 23 is of particular interest, since, if Dust EULA is anything like EVE's, it means they are justifiably punishable. Quote: 23. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. Except this isn't a bug, it's bad design choice