so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.

in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.

Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.


you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.



why on earth did this seem like a good idea

Because no SP is wasted. You spec into what you want to do on the 6th for PC, then as more weapons are released you play more and then add SP into the next weapon system you with to specialize in. Thus making you more versatile on the battlefield, and not a single SP is wasted.

except if you never intend to use the galante assault rifle ever again, then every point into it IS wasted since the benifits dont carry over into anything else

you have only a certain number of choices now

dont skill into a weapon your eventually not going to use and wait for the 15th, wich will mean you cant participate in PC in its most important first week

skill into a weapon you will never use again and waste SP


neither option is a good thing


and before you all get your panties in a bunch, im not personally using the scrambler rifle, im skilling back into the galante, but thats not the point

The point is this forces players to either waste SP on something that cannot benifit them after the first week, or sit the first week out and not be able to help their corp

wich in the case of smaller corps it will eliminate them from holding territory after the first few days of PC (unless they are very lucky)

I just want my Minmatar AR. ;-;

New options do not force players to do anything.

you have only a certain number of choices now

dont skill into a weapon your eventually not going to use and wait for the 15th, wich will mean you cant participate in PC in its most important first week

skill into a weapon you will never use again and waste SP


neither option is a good thing


and before you all get your panties in a bunch, im not personally using the scrambler rifle, im skilling back into the galante, but thats not the point

The point is this forces players to either waste SP on something that cannot benifit them after the first week, or sit the first week out and not be able to help their corp

wich in the case of smaller corps it will eliminate them from holding territory after the first few days of PC (unless they are very lucky)

guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest

you have only a certain number of choices now

dont skill into a weapon your eventually not going to use and wait for the 15th, wich will mean you cant participate in PC in its most important first week

skill into a weapon you will never use again and waste SP


neither option is a good thing


and before you all get your panties in a bunch, im not personally using the scrambler rifle, im skilling back into the galante, but thats not the point

The point is this forces players to either waste SP on something that cannot benifit them after the first week, or sit the first week out and not be able to help their corp

wich in the case of smaller corps it will eliminate them from holding territory after the first few days of PC (unless they are very lucky)

i don't see how the first week is the most important. if anything, the first week will have the most districts taken without a fight!

You can't wait one week to start your plans for planetary conquest....because?

because as soon as day 3 hits certain corps will be launching attacks to flesh out their territory and if you dont bring your A game its not going to end well for you.


the first week is the most important because if all the territory is filled instead of a district costing you 80mil its going to start costing 240 mil and up to attack an occupied district

Do you think that the first week will be the most important? I don't.

Consider that we have about 250 districts. And let's say that there are 50 corps out there in a position to buy a pack of clones, 30 who can buy two packs, 15 that can buy three, and 5 that can buy five. I figure this is accurate +-50%.

So on May 6 (0 battles)
100 corps buy a district. No districts are previously occupied, so there are no battles. No battles means we don't care about scrambler rifle skill points.

May 7 (<20 battles)
, 100 districts generate clones and 50 more districts are taken. Maybe there's a battle or two over key districts, but there are still 150 districts open, so probably not.

May 8 (<20 battles),
100 districts generate clones (and now have between 260 and 300 clones)
50 districts generate clones (and now have between 180 and 200 clones)
20 more districts are taken with clone packs (some battles, maybe)

May 9 (50-100 battles),
100 districts are bored and launch attacks, but many will be to unoccupied districts)
50 districts generate clones (260-300)
20 districts generate clones (180-200)
5 districts are taken with clone packs

May 10 (100+ battles)
200+ districts occupied
50% in a position to launch attacks
Split 50% into unoccupied districts

May 11-14 (Game On)
250 districts occupied
Late comers breaking in.
Organized alliances crushing small alliances
Hawaiian corps largely untouched

May 14 (Scrambler rifle)

So, while this week is important, by May 14 the mayhem will only be 3 days old. The first 4 days will be opening moves with few serious battles. (less than 170 spread over 100 corps) So I think you'll be able to cope having spec'ed to scrambler rifle off the bat.

If you cant use and do well in militia then my friend maybe FPS's aint your thing.

so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.

in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.

Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.


you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.



why on earth did this seem like a good idea

but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are

but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are

but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are

guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest

i really do like the amount of thought put into this

i just dont think that there are going to be any unocuped districts after day 1

So the corp attacking you will have to full spec into the current weapons, leaving them at a disadvantage when May 14th hits and people instantly spec into scramblers and stuff...
250 clone packages are about 20 000 000 000 ISK, no idea if the corp wallets can handle that though. Also due to attrition rate the move of clones between planets will be pretty limited, together with the fact that you cannot move clones from two or more districts into one while attacking, you have to stack them somewhere else first.

so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.

in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.

Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.


you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.



why on earth did this seem like a good idea

So out of your entire Corp, you don't have ANYONE who wants to use the stuff that's already out? (Never mind we're only getting a few new weapon types) You ALL want to use the same 5 types of weapons? And you really can't spare 16 people who want to use some of the stuff we already have?

read the thread, im personally sticking with the galante assault rifle, this actually doesnt effect me in the slightest

It does actually, because your gear's counter might come on the 14th, and then you'll regret choosing so quickly.

no it doesnt, not even in the slightest, as i do not want the scrambler rifle at all, ever

As far as i know and what i have read from devs is that everything comes may 6th and a launch comes may 14th

On 5.14

The 3 new weps
- plasma cannon
- flaylock pistol
- scrambler rifle

New game mode: Domination

New terrain and battlegrounds

Everything else is 5/6...

May 6th is when Planetary Conquest launches.

Correct.

That means I have to stop myself from spending sp for a week so I can get the scramblers rifle and plasma cannon to advanced quickly.
I'm actually not sure if that's the case. The skills might be coming out on 5.6 and the weapons added on 5.14. I'll see if I can get an answer.

Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself

not an option for those that have to run planetary conquest week 1

You'er thinking too small, just cause you snag a district in week 1 doesn't mean you'll get to keep it very long.

and having to use militia weapons the first week is going to make that harder (its either that or potentially waste SP)

i think your thinking to small in underestimating the importance of week 1

I'm just letting you know that a slight advantage in the first week won't mean much in the long run.

if you dont bring your A-game on that first weel you risk losing everything as it starts and so you must skill into a weapon and if your builing towards a srambler setup, then your going to be gimped even if you waste skillpoints in another weapon

Your corp should be big enough that you will have enough (good)players who won't be skilllng into the new weapons, and like I said before, this is a dilemma that everyone will face, so not everyone will be able to bring their A-game anyway.

I guarantee you that there are Pink Fluffy, Cronos, and Negative Feedback players that also want to use the new weapons, this will be a choice all corps have to make, and continue to make in the future, though that won't really matter as much as it will in these first few days/weeks.

my corp isnt efected by this, but it IS a problem

If it's a problem for everyone, then it's not actually a problem
Really wishing I had some Alts with SP right about now...

by that logic there will never be any problems in the game as any problem that exists wont affect everyone.

I should have worded that differently, it's not a problem, just a situation that everyone will go through. Even if Scrambler rifles were available on the 6th, people still wouldn't be able to bring their A game since no one actually knows how to properly use them yet. The same is true for the weapons we have now, since they will be changing.

So no, no problem at all.

its a choice that only a portion of the player base have to make, its a sacrafice that not all players have to concider, its not a balanced fair aproch to a release

so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.

in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.

Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.


you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.



why on earth did this seem like a good idea

in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.

If the first week was the be all and end all of which is basically what your implying then the whole concept is PC is critical flawed and will needed to be reworked. But it's not the only thing the first day does is yay free area. And even that will be short lived. this is frankly a non issue ur making out to be a huge thing. U have three choices no-one is forced its up to u decided which one to tak frankly I would wait out of first week and the pounce on the weaklings or winners who are two badly damage to continue

DEAR LORD, a whole week between 6 and 14 will ruin this game and destroy the minds, SP and conquests of the player base. No one shall ever use the weapons they want anymore, the world will fall apart and the status quo is shatered forever.

Do cry more.

Yesterday I killed someone in proto gear using an alt with NO weapon skills at all. He was packing an AR of some sort and belonged to some big badass corp and I was packing the militia SMG. It was just the two of us out in the open. We strafed each other till we both ran out of bullets and I had the mind to rush him and dance in circles. You can do alright with militia and no skills against even proto players.

6th -> 14th = 8day gap

Meaning at least 500k of SP can be saved up for the new weapons or you can also hold off from spending every last SP you have

I really dont see a problem here

Wasn-¦t trolling, only sarcasm.

Yes, there-¦ll be a land grab rush in the beggining, yes there are differences on the mechanics as a whole, on the possibilities of weapons, on the skills to be invested for them.

In EVE when wormholes were launched, it was a completely foreign mechanic and gameplay, and yet, people made it by TRIAL AND ERROR.

As everything new, there will be those that took their chances and risks, those that put a lot and earned a lot, and those that failed miserably.

If you are unwilling to invest SP into something that you don-¦t know, than DON-¦T. Wait like everyone else who-¦s goign to let the risk takers do all the trial and error, and you get a polished clean path to follow.

Just remember that those same testers are the ones that are going to reap the rewards FIRST, because they had the balls to take chances.

You know, like real life.

but you would do alot better WITH a proto weapon

I absolutely would, but I'm cheap and don't want to be like those elite players who approach something that should be fun like it's a job. I like to run people over and suicide my free LAV into other vehicles. That kind of silliness will keep me in this game longer than any kind of proto gear.

i think youve completly missed the problem



there is no risk... it boils down to

use militia weapons during week one and gimp yourself, or lose 800k SP and never get it back


there is no skilling into something you dont know, ther is no risk taking involved, there is no trial and error.

its a simple "if you want a scrambler rifle primary and you want to compete in PC during week one you now have to make this lose lose decision"

and thats the gear your going to bring to PC battles in defence of your district???

of course it isnt, your going to go all out proto to give yourself every advantage possable because your district is on the line.

i have this feeling that people dont actually read threads before they comment


to test this if youve read this please insert the word "bacon" in posts so we can see if anyones actually paying attention to the discussion or they are to making **** up to sound smart

This is not actually the case for me. It's certainly the case for a lot of people, but I intend to run Standard gear for PC - a lot of which are the readily available BPO's purchased with AUR from the Mercenary Pack or gained from events. The rest will be purchased with ISK. Like I said, I'm cheap. The only way I'd go proto is if some EVE corp was paying for it.

I will never turn this game into a job, because then I would have to abandon it.

Bacon. Bacon. Bacon.

"in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch."

You don-¦t HAVE to do ANYTHING.

"Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC."

If you think it-¦s a decent weapon, than TRAIN for it !!!!

"you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch."

Either INVEST the SP for the thing you want, or WAIT and deal with the consequences of waiting.

What is so hard on this subject?

imagine it like you lose 800k+ SP and never get it back OR walk into PC using militia weapons on week 1 when your corp is counting on you


both are terrible choices that a few people are going to have to make

you wont be able to hold a distrcit, if you want a district your going to have to go proto to keep it.

so those people whose goal in the game is to hold territory (because that to them is fun) will be faced with a lose lose situation.


it doesnt apply to you because you dont want to hold a district if it means having to run in proto gear

But you dont lose 800k SP and the majority of ppl wont be walking into PC with milita

Why do you assume proto gear is auto win ?

its a lose lose situation that only puts you at a disadvantage, its not a level playing field and its bad game design. and in competitive play that kind of disadvantage is terrible terrible design

you wont be able to hold a distrcit, if you want a district your going to have to go proto to keep it.

so those people whose goal in the game is to hold territory (because that to them is fun) will be faced with a lose lose situation.


it doesnt apply to you because you dont want to hold a district if it means having to run in proto gear

If it-¦s indeed a lose lose situation, than EVERYONE that CHOSE this path will be EQUALLY in LOSS.
That IS the level playing field, EVERYONE getting screwed up equally.

Is the acess to weapons via the future skilltree designed well? Questionable. I agree with you in that.

Does it create a disavantage for some people and not others? NO.

Will this impact PC? Only if you want it to.

Then put points into weapons you DO intend to use, no one I know specs exclusively into one weapon.
Or just use militia.

One man does not make or break a district.

This may not be the best example, but as a sniper guy using a militia rifle or laser guy using the basic isk gun, in your typical ambush match I can kill 8+ people. Double that in a skirmish. Essentially, I've done 10% of the killing. Some are newbies, and some are proto suits like the proto suit proto weapon sniper I killed twice yesterday by being a sneaky bastard. He got me eventually, but I lost nothing.

Superior tactics, teamwork, and thinking will always overcome superior equipment alone.

if your never going to use the other weapon than its the same thing as losing those skill points

I tend to share the feeling about PC starting may 6th being a bad idea. But tbh, my concerns arent so much about people and their wish to skill into new weapons that will only be added may 14th.

My main concern is about people mass-downloading Uprising and thus DL time acting as a factor in who gets what day one of PC. Then, you have to consider possible bugs and glitches unknown to CCP that may appear when the build is actually live.

Would make more sense to wait a while and see if everything is ok with the game. Past experiences showed that every build so far needed fix in the days following its release so playing it safe strikes me as a good idea. WIth that in mind, waiting till the 14th or even the 15th doesnt sound that bad.

I started discussing it with my fellow CPM members last day at FF (well, with Kane at least), let's see how that turns out.

How is it?

If you never use weapon x then you never put any SP into it so you lose nothing

not everyone has to make the choice, meaning everyone isnt losing equily, meaning its not a level playing field, meaning it creates a disadvantage to some people and not others

and all those being equal the team in proto will win

Wha?

Sorry mate, really can-¦t folow your train of tought.

It's a cliche, but winning isn't everything. Seriously, don't turn this game into a job, you'll regret it. Call in some free LAV's, run some mans over, have fun. That's worth more in the long run than any digital territory ever could be. I learnt that lesson the hard way from EVE.

It's a cliche, but winning isn't everything. Seriously, don't turn this game into a job, you'll regret it. Call in some free LAV's, run some mans over, have fun. That's worth more in the long run than any digital territory ever could be. I learnt that lesson the hard way from EVE.

Ah someone who thinks "his" fun is THE universal type of fun everyone likes? It's not like we are all identical clones....right?

only the people who intend to use the scrambler rifle as their primary exclusivly have to make this choice, meaning they are at a disadvantage compaired to everyone else who isnt going to use the scrambler rifle

go read the thread and you will be less confused

Im not confused but you are

Your making a problem where ther isnt one

Im not confused but you are

Your making a problem where ther isnt one

Ah someone who thinks "his" fun is THE universal type of fun everyone likes? It's not like we are all identical clones....right?

only the people who intend to use the scrambler rifle as their primary exclusivly have to make this choice, meaning they are at a disadvantage compaired to everyone else who isnt going to use the scrambler rifle

so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.

in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.

Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.


you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.



why on earth did this seem like a good idea

wait who said the new weapons wouldn't launch may 6th?

Then put points into weapons you DO intend to use, no one I know specs exclusively into one weapon.
Or just use militia.

I'm not spending any SP until after May 14th. I'll roll in all militia gear and wait to see what others say about the rail rifle after the 14th and let others test out the caldari scout on the 6th. Treat it like a new Windows release.

not everyone has to make the choice, meaning everyone isnt losing equily, meaning its not a level playing field, meaning it creates a disadvantage to some people and not others

Running people over is objectively more fun than making spreadsheets about the perfect fit. Objectively.

it's more of a disadvantage to someone who wants to run heavy and has no choice but Amarr. Or someone who wants to run a different Assault race. Skilling up Dropsuits costs way more SP than one weapon, and dropsuit to proto level is how you get the survivability to compete.

You will do much better with a STD or ADV AR and a Protosuit you like, than someone in an Adv suit they hate with a Protogun. Either way, decide what is most important to you and go with it. In 6 months, you'll have all your PRO gear and you'll be bringing the pain in PC fights daily. You won't even remember Week 1.

Oh great it will make extorting your districts that much more fun. Unless you guys gave up on Planet Academia

so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.

in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.

Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.


you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.



why on earth did this seem like a good idea