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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
55
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:30:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:If you cant use and do well in militia then my friend maybe FPS's aint your thing. but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are |
Hecarim Van Hohen
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:33:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.
in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.
Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.
you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.
why on earth did this seem like a good idea
Skill up wisely, militia variants are your friend, as they require no skills (no SP wasted there) to use and you get the general feeling for the weapon.
That being said, I'm going all out on Amarr assault with ScR and ScP no matter how bad they are |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
2
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:34:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:If you cant use and do well in militia then my friend maybe FPS's aint your thing. but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are
Iv found for Dust I personally dont need my A game ever. Heck, iv had hate mail from major corps for coming in the top three because all I did was run them over constantly in a free LAV and they drowned themselves in their proto suits with their tears. And those top corps are what? 2% of the Dust population? Yeah, I dont see a need for anything but militia 99% of the time. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1115
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:36:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:If you cant use and do well in militia then my friend maybe FPS's aint your thing. but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are Again, this will be something that happens every time we get new content. You will have to choose between upgrading things already available so you can get an immediate advantage, or saving SP for the new stuff so that you can add diversity to your existing builds. Choices, get used to them. |
DeeJay One
BetaMax. CRONOS.
15
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:40:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:If you cant use and do well in militia then my friend maybe FPS's aint your thing. but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are So the corp attacking you will have to full spec into the current weapons, leaving them at a disadvantage when May 14th hits and people instantly spec into scramblers and stuff... 250 clone packages are about 20 000 000 000 ISK, no idea if the corp wallets can handle that though. Also due to attrition rate the move of clones between planets will be pretty limited, together with the fact that you cannot move clones from two or more districts into one while attacking, you have to stack them somewhere else first. |
Kiro Justice
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:40:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest
So out of your entire Corp, you don't have ANYONE who wants to use the stuff that's already out? (Never mind we're only getting a few new weapon types) You ALL want to use the same 5 types of weapons? And you really can't spare 16 people who want to use some of the stuff we already have? |
Klivve Cussler
Ransoms Incorporated
107
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:43:00 -
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Quote:i really do like the amount of thought put into this
i just dont think that there are going to be any unocuped districts after day 1
Maybe my info is out of date. I know you can buy multiple clone packs, but can you buy them all at once? I thought you had to wait until the next day.
If you can buy and deploy them all at once, then its:
May 6 200+ districts settled.
May 7 Most districts making clones Rich corps attack districts to shore up territory that they didn't get day 1.
May 8 Most districts making clones Rich corps attack districts to shore up territory that they didn't get day 1 or 2
May 9 Game on.
Even so, that's only 5 days until Scrambler rifles.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1116
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:43:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:If you cant use and do well in militia then my friend maybe FPS's aint your thing. but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are So the corp attacking you will have to full spec into the current weapons, leaving them at a disadvantage when May 14th hits and people instantly spec into scramblers and stuff... 250 clone packages are about 20 000 000 000 ISK, no idea if the corp wallets can handle that though. Also due to attrition rate the move of clones between planets will be pretty limited, together with the fact that you cannot move clones from two or more districts into one while attacking, you have to stack them somewhere else first. May 6th, all Imperfects spec into Gallente ARs and shield tanking. May 14th everyone else specs into Scrambler Rifles |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
818
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Posted - 2013.04.29 21:52:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.
in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.
Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.
you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.
why on earth did this seem like a good idea
Easy solution: just play around with crappy fits until may 14, get used to the new mechanics etc, activate a passive booster to gain sp, then play for real when the 14th comes around. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
57
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Posted - 2013.04.29 22:07:00 -
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Kiro Justice wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest So out of your entire Corp, you don't have ANYONE who wants to use the stuff that's already out? (Never mind we're only getting a few new weapon types) You ALL want to use the same 5 types of weapons? And you really can't spare 16 people who want to use some of the stuff we already have? read the thread, im personally sticking with the galante assault rifle, this actually doesnt effect me in the slightest |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1117
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Posted - 2013.04.29 22:17:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest So out of your entire Corp, you don't have ANYONE who wants to use the stuff that's already out? (Never mind we're only getting a few new weapon types) You ALL want to use the same 5 types of weapons? And you really can't spare 16 people who want to use some of the stuff we already have? read the thread, im personally sticking with the galante assault rifle, this actually doesnt effect me in the slightest It does actually, because your gear's counter might come on the 14th, and then you'll regret choosing so quickly. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
57
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Posted - 2013.04.29 22:47:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest So out of your entire Corp, you don't have ANYONE who wants to use the stuff that's already out? (Never mind we're only getting a few new weapon types) You ALL want to use the same 5 types of weapons? And you really can't spare 16 people who want to use some of the stuff we already have? read the thread, im personally sticking with the galante assault rifle, this actually doesnt effect me in the slightest It does actually, because your gear's counter might come on the 14th, and then you'll regret choosing so quickly.
no it doesnt, not even in the slightest, as i do not want the scrambler rifle at all, ever |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1117
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Posted - 2013.04.29 23:05:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Kiro Justice wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest So out of your entire Corp, you don't have ANYONE who wants to use the stuff that's already out? (Never mind we're only getting a few new weapon types) You ALL want to use the same 5 types of weapons? And you really can't spare 16 people who want to use some of the stuff we already have? read the thread, im personally sticking with the galante assault rifle, this actually doesnt effect me in the slightest It does actually, because your gear's counter might come on the 14th, and then you'll regret choosing so quickly. no it doesnt, not even in the slightest, as i do not want the scrambler rifle at all, ever Whoosh. W/e, I guess. |
DJINN Marauder
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
495
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Posted - 2013.04.29 23:15:00 -
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Alts are the key my friend.. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
153
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Posted - 2013.04.29 23:42:00 -
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The fact that PC and respec is on the same day is dumb enough already. The fact that new weapons don't drop until a week later is even dumber.
Fact is PC shouldnt be open until the 14th and the new weapons maps are what should be dropping on the 6th with the new build and respec.
People should have time to play with the new weapons especially if there are militia variants. More importantly the people saying they can accomplish what they want in miltia/STD gear proves exactly how deluded this playerbase is if they truly believe that.
Yea please come to PC deck out in miltia gear or std gear against a team rocking full proto and officer gear, no really please do. Just please take a video of it and submit here because i want to see a good slaughter.
Fact is simple if you want to compete in PC on day 1 you will need to send in teams with a proto suit and proto weapon, To use anything else would be suicide. Not everyone is going to have 10-12M SP like IMPS and other day 1 beta players who can afford to go proto weapon and suit and still have enough to get another ones of those new weapons to proto on the 14th.
The idea that there will be empty districts after the first week is probable but like any land grab you never want to be the last one in, the entry fees become more expensive and the choice of real estate diminishes.
Consider this 80M clones and you park it on an empty district and its yours. 80M clones and you park it on an district thats been occupied after a week and now it will have 300-450 clones resulting in a need for at least 2 if not 3 clones packs to get the territory after battle.
Point is people have been planning this stuff for weeks and to basically say okay we are going give you some parts of the new build on this day but hold off other parts including weapons people want to use right away a week later is dumb but something i could accept if PC was also not available until that same day.
After all part of the respec was because of the change in the skill system and the addition of weapons and items that change how we may play the game.
Hand down the most nonsensical move CCP has made regarding this build. How is it that everytime CCP takes a step forward they invariably shoot themselves in the foot.
Seriously CCP if you cant give us the new weapons on the 6th at least delay PC until the 14th. In fact id prefer that option since at least it gives people time to get used to all the new stuff and acclimate before waging all out war. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
295
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:30:00 -
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As far as i know and what i have read from devs is that everything comes may 6th and a launch comes may 14th |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organization
2146
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Posted - 2013.04.30 00:38:00 -
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I'm speccing into knives regardless. Those weapons need love too you know. |
Covert Clay
Red Star. EoN.
28
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:00:00 -
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OR you could spec into HAVs... |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
153
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:24:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:As far as i know and what i have read from devs is that everything comes may 6th and a launch comes may 14th
CCP Jian wrote:On 5.14
The 3 new weps - plasma cannon - flaylock pistol - scrambler rifle
New game mode: Domination
New terrain and battlegrounds
Everything else is 5/6...
CCP FoxFour wrote:
May 6th is when Planetary Conquest launches.
CCP Eterne wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:So does this mean that the Starmap and Clone Packs for PC are live as of 12:00 GMT (or end of extended downtime) on 20130506? Correct. That means I have to stop myself from spending sp for a week so I can get the scramblers rifle and plasma cannon to advanced quickly. I'm actually not sure if that's the case. The skills might be coming out on 5.6 and the weapons added on 5.14. I'll see if I can get an answer.
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Skipper Jones
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
30
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:24:00 -
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Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself |
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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
61
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:34:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself
not an option for those that have to run planetary conquest week 1
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:41:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself not an option for those that have to run planetary conquest week 1 You'er thinking too small, just cause you snag a district in week 1 doesn't mean you'll get to keep it very long. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
61
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:42:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself not an option for those that have to run planetary conquest week 1 You'er thinking too small, just cause you snag a district in week 1 doesn't mean you'll get to keep it very long.
and having to use militia weapons the first week is going to make that harder (its either that or potentially waste SP)
i think your thinking to small in underestimating the importance of week 1 |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:45:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself not an option for those that have to run planetary conquest week 1 You'er thinking too small, just cause you snag a district in week 1 doesn't mean you'll get to keep it very long. and having to use militia weapons the first week is going to make that harder (its either that or potentially waste SP) i think your thinking to small in underestimating the importance of week 1 I'm just letting you know that a slight advantage in the first week won't mean much in the long run. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
61
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Posted - 2013.04.30 01:50:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself not an option for those that have to run planetary conquest week 1 You'er thinking too small, just cause you snag a district in week 1 doesn't mean you'll get to keep it very long. and having to use militia weapons the first week is going to make that harder (its either that or potentially waste SP) i think your thinking to small in underestimating the importance of week 1 I'm just letting you know that a slight advantage in the first week won't mean much in the long run.
consider that after the districts are taken the cost inscreases from 80mil to 240+mil cost of the attack. its also when the battle lines will be drawn and the alliances will be getting a foothold and start slugging it out to maintain their borders, once everyone settles in it wont be as chaotic and messy but that first week of fighting is the key to gaining a footing for the first while.
of course your always welcome to wait 2 months for the dust to settle and try your luck then, but again its going to cost you about 300mil to do
once the cloans start building up in teh districts its going to be ALOT harder to gain a foothold if you dont already have one.
if you dont bring your A-game on that first weel you risk losing everything as it starts and so you must skill into a weapon and if your builing towards a srambler setup, then your going to be gimped even if you waste skillpoints in another weapon |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:02:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote: if you dont bring your A-game on that first weel you risk losing everything as it starts and so you must skill into a weapon and if your builing towards a srambler setup, then your going to be gimped even if you waste skillpoints in another weapon
Your corp should be big enough that you will have enough (good)players who won't be skilllng into the new weapons, and like I said before, this is a dilemma that everyone will face, so not everyone will be able to bring their A-game anyway.
I guarantee you that there are Pink Fluffy, Cronos, and Negative Feedback players that also want to use the new weapons, this will be a choice all corps have to make, and continue to make in the future, though that won't really matter as much as it will in these first few days/weeks. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
61
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:11:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote: if you dont bring your A-game on that first weel you risk losing everything as it starts and so you must skill into a weapon and if your builing towards a srambler setup, then your going to be gimped even if you waste skillpoints in another weapon
Your corp should be big enough that you will have enough (good)players who won't be skilllng into the new weapons, and like I said before, this is a dilemma that everyone will face, so not everyone will be able to bring their A-game anyway. I guarantee you that there are Pink Fluffy, Cronos, and Negative Feedback players that also want to use the new weapons, this will be a choice all corps have to make, and continue to make in the future, though that won't really matter as much as it will in these first few days/weeks.
my corp isnt efected by this, but it IS a problem |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:19:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote: if you dont bring your A-game on that first weel you risk losing everything as it starts and so you must skill into a weapon and if your builing towards a srambler setup, then your going to be gimped even if you waste skillpoints in another weapon
Your corp should be big enough that you will have enough (good)players who won't be skilllng into the new weapons, and like I said before, this is a dilemma that everyone will face, so not everyone will be able to bring their A-game anyway. I guarantee you that there are Pink Fluffy, Cronos, and Negative Feedback players that also want to use the new weapons, this will be a choice all corps have to make, and continue to make in the future, though that won't really matter as much as it will in these first few days/weeks. my corp isnt efected by this, but it IS a problem If it's a problem for everyone, then it's not actually a problem, since it's a choice everyone will have to struggle with. Not to mention that weapons have been re-balanced, so there's no way anyone will be able to bring their "A game" the first few days anyway. You said you plan to use the Gallenete AR? You don't even know if it will be any good come uprising.
Really wishing I had some Alts with SP right about now... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:23:00 -
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Also, not saying this wasn't a dumb move on CCP's part, but it is what it is. All we can do now is try and plan accordingly. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
61
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:32:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:If it's a problem for everyone, then it's not actually a problem Really wishing I had some Alts with SP right about now...
by that logic there will never be any problems in the game as any problem that exists wont affect everyone. and a problem that effects everyone is still a problem. (think of hit detection, lag, DCs, all a problem for everyone, and all still problems despite effecting everyone) |
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