DUST Search - The may 15th problem

Chances Ghost wrote:

Natu Nobilis wrote:

Wasn-¦t trolling, only sarcasm.

Yes, there-¦ll be a land grab rush in the beggining, yes there are differences on the mechanics as a whole, on the possibilities of weapons, on the skills to be invested for them.

In EVE when wormholes were launched, it was a completely foreign mechanic and gameplay, and yet, people made it by TRIAL AND ERROR.

As everything new, there will be those that took their chances and risks, those that put a lot and earned a lot, and those that failed miserably.

If you are unwilling to invest SP into something that you don-¦t know, than DON-¦T. Wait like everyone else who-¦s goign to let the risk takers do all the trial and error, and you get a polished clean path to follow.

Just remember that those same testers are the ones that are going to reap the rewards FIRST, because they had the balls to take chances.

You know, like real life.

i think youve completly missed the problem

there is no risk... it boils down to

use militia weapons during week one and gimp yourself, or lose 800k SP and never get it back

there is no skilling into something you dont know, ther is no risk taking involved, there is no trial and error.

its a simple "if you want a scrambler rifle primary and you want to compete in PC during week one you now have to make this lose lose decision"


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Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2013.04.30 11:52:00 - [1] - Quote DEAR LORD, a whole week between 6 and 14 will ruin this game and destroy the minds, SP and conquests of the player base. No one shall ever use the weapons they want anymore, the world will fall apart and the status quo is shatered forever. Do cry more.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2013.04.30 12:03:00 - [2] - Quote Wasn-¦t trolling, only sarcasm. Yes, there-¦ll be a land grab rush in the beggining, yes there are differences on the mechanics as a whole, on the possibilities of weapons, on the skills to be invested for them. In EVE when wormholes were launched, it was a completely foreign mechanic and gameplay, and yet, people made it by TRIAL AND ERROR. As everything new, there will be those that took their chances and risks, those that put a lot and earned a lot, and those that failed miserably. If you are unwilling to invest SP into something that you don-¦t know, than DON-¦T. Wait like everyone else who-¦s goign to let the risk takers do all the trial and error, and you get a polished clean path to follow. Just remember that those same testers are the ones that are going to reap the rewards FIRST, because they had the balls to take chances. You know, like real life.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2013.04.30 12:10:00 - [3] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Wasn-¦t trolling, only sarcasm. Yes, there-¦ll be a land grab rush in the beggining, yes there are differences on the mechanics as a whole, on the possibilities of weapons, on the skills to be invested for them. In EVE when wormholes were launched, it was a completely foreign mechanic and gameplay, and yet, people made it by TRIAL AND ERROR. As everything new, there will be those that took their chances and risks, those that put a lot and earned a lot, and those that failed miserably. If you are unwilling to invest SP into something that you don-¦t know, than DON-¦T. Wait like everyone else who-¦s goign to let the risk takers do all the trial and error, and you get a polished clean path to follow. Just remember that those same testers are the ones that are going to reap the rewards FIRST, because they had the balls to take chances. You know, like real life. i think youve completly missed the problem there is no risk... it boils down to use militia weapons during week one and gimp yourself, or lose 800k SP and never get it back there is no skilling into something you dont know, ther is no risk taking involved, there is no trial and error. its a simple "if you want a scrambler rifle primary and you want to compete in PC during week one you now have to make this lose lose decision" Think it like that. If it-¦s lose lose, people won-¦t choose it. If it-¦s not that lose lose, people will invest in it. Is the investment of 800k SP WORTH the benefits to be reaped from it, even if you-¦ll never use them again? Then you chose YES or NO.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2013.04.30 12:19:00 - [4] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: i have this feeling that people dont actually read threads before they comment to test this if youve read this please insert the word "bacon" in posts so we can see if anyones actually paying attention to the discussion or they are to making **** up to sound smart Bacon. Bacon. Bacon. "in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch." You don-¦t HAVE to do ANYTHING. "Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC." If you think it-¦s a decent weapon, than TRAIN for it !!!! "you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch." Either INVEST the SP for the thing you want, or WAIT and deal with the consequences of waiting. What is so hard on this subject?
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2013.04.30 12:23:00 - [5] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aran Abbas wrote: This is not actually the case for me. It's certainly the case for a lot of people, but I intend to run Standard gear for PC - a lot of which are the readily available BPO's purchased with AUR from the Mercenary Pack or gained from events. The rest will be purchased with ISK. Like I said, I'm cheap. The only way I'd go proto is if some EVE corp was paying for it. I will never turn this game into a job, because then I would have to abandon it. you wont be able to hold a distrcit, if you want a district your going to have to go proto to keep it. so those people whose goal in the game is to hold territory (because that to them is fun) will be faced with a lose lose situation. it doesnt apply to you because you dont want to hold a district if it means having to run in proto gear Why do you assume proto gear is auto win ?
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2013.04.30 12:26:00 - [6] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: its a lose lose situation that only puts you at a disadvantage, its not a level playing field and its bad game design. and in competitive play that kind of disadvantage is terrible terrible design If it-¦s indeed a lose lose situation, than EVERYONE that CHOSE this path will be EQUALLY in LOSS. That IS the level playing field, EVERYONE getting screwed up equally. Is the acess to weapons via the future skilltree designed well? Questionable. I agree with you in that. Does it create a disavantage for some people and not others? NO. Will this impact PC? Only if you want it to.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2013.04.30 12:32:00 - [7] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: not everyone has to make the choice, meaning everyone isnt losing equily, meaning its not a level playing field, meaning it creates a disadvantage to some people and not others Wha? Sorry mate, really can-¦t folow your train of tought. I-¦m accostumed to investing in things i don-¦t want to do things that i do want, knowing in full that it is a choice to achieve something, and i could chose the other thing and not get what i want.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 138	Posted - 2013.04.30 12:41:00 - [8] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: not everyone has to make the choice, meaning everyone isnt losing equily, meaning its not a level playing field, meaning it creates a disadvantage to some people and not others Wha? Sorry mate, really can-¦t folow your train of tought. only the people who intend to use the scrambler rifle as their primary exclusivly have to make this choice, meaning they are at a disadvantage compaired to everyone else who isnt going to use the scrambler rifle You presented your point. CCP will discuss it with the CPM. In the meantime, either you prioritize PC, or your weapon of choice.