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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
389
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:32:00 -
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damn...in the gameplay on uprising i saw a huge building that had enterances. guess i have to wait 4 epic cqc |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:38:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:If it's a problem for everyone, then it's not actually a problem Really wishing I had some Alts with SP right about now... by that logic there will never be any problems in the game as any problem that exists wont affect everyone. I should have worded that differently, it's not a problem, just a situation that everyone will go through. Even if Scrambler rifles were available on the 6th, people still wouldn't be able to bring their A game since no one actually knows how to properly use them yet. The same is true for the weapons we have now, since they will be changing.
So no, no problem at all. Like I said, "sacrifices". |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
62
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:40:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:If it's a problem for everyone, then it's not actually a problem Really wishing I had some Alts with SP right about now... by that logic there will never be any problems in the game as any problem that exists wont affect everyone. I should have worded that differently, it's not a problem, just a situation that everyone will go through. Even if Scrambler rifles were available on the 6th, people still wouldn't be able to bring their A game since no one actually knows how to properly use them yet. The same is true for the weapons we have now, since they will be changing. So no, no problem at all.
its a choice that only a portion of the player base have to make, its a sacrafice that not all players have to concider, its not a balanced fair aproch to a release
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
1120
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:49:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote: its a choice that only a portion of the player base have to make, its a sacrafice that not all players have to concider, its not a balanced fair aproch to a release
No, it is a choice that everyone will have to make, some have already made that choice. You think you picking the AR has excluded you from choosing? No, you made your choice, it's called the "Gallenete AR".
And it is fair, anyone who chooses to bring their A-game the first week will hen have to grind in order to be able to use the new weapons. There's only so much SP you can put into a build anyway, and those last 2 mill tend to be pretty negligible, you have to diversify eventually.
That said, "fair" has nothing to do with Dust, look at all the rookies and small corps that stand no chance in PC.
Edit: it would be nice if they moved PC to like the 20th or something, but i'm sure it's too late to stop things now. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1250
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Posted - 2013.04.30 02:49:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:so it seems that we are going to have to waste alot of SP on may 6th when PC launchees.
in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.
Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC.
you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch.
why on earth did this seem like a good idea
Couldn't agree more. Allow people to ease into the build, get the toys, then crank up PC. |
Tiberion Deci
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2013.04.30 03:30:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote: in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch.
Just get level of operation for something? I know the extra %10 makes all the difference in competitive matches but maybe just get the level one and use a damage mod?
The blessing and curse of the heavy is that they aren't introducing any new weapons for us so it's gonna be straight back to proto HMGs and Forge guns for me. Then maybe a light weapon (AR or scrambler rifle). At least you get new suits! |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3738
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:01:00 -
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The CPM has already taken this topic to CCP it is being discussed now, I have also got this thread pointed out so keep discussing it if you can. |
steadyhand amarr
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
429
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:34:00 -
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If the first week was the be all and end all of which is basically what your implying then the whole concept is PC is critical flawed and will needed to be reworked. But it's not the only thing the first day does is yay free area. And even that will be short lived. this is frankly a non issue ur making out to be a huge thing. U have three choices no-one is forced its up to u decided which one to tak frankly I would wait out of first week and the pounce on the weaklings or winners who are two badly damage to continuee |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:52:00 -
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DEAR LORD, a whole week between 6 and 14 will ruin this game and destroy the minds, SP and conquests of the player base. No one shall ever use the weapons they want anymore, the world will fall apart and the status quo is shatered forever.
Do cry more. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
67
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:53:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:If the first week was the be all and end all of which is basically what your implying then the whole concept is PC is critical flawed and will needed to be reworked. But it's not the only thing the first day does is yay free area. And even that will be short lived. this is frankly a non issue ur making out to be a huge thing. U have three choices no-one is forced its up to u decided which one to tak frankly I would wait out of first week and the pounce on the weaklings or winners who are two badly damage to continue
FACT: it is more advantageous ISK wise to start PC on day one, and it will be ALOT more expensive to take land after day 1 FACT: day 1 is the best time to start PC FACT: not everyone can have a district FACT: almost everyone who has the ability to buy clone packs will be trying to claim and hold a district within the first week FACT: it is easyer to defend than to attack FACT: the first week will be the best time to try to claim a district (even if you dont get one on day 1) as it will be new, people will be disorganized and weak, districts wont be clone capped and making income for corps yet
so week one is the best time to try to get a district as it will be ALOT harder to do after that
this is pretty much common knowledge amung those of us doing planning for our corps and aliances
what this means is that everyone who knows their **** is going to have to bring their A game becuase week one is going to be the most dangerous time.
wich means if your one of the guys in your corps/alliances A team of professionals you DO NOT have the option for wait to skill into the scrambler rifle.
meaning those people who intend to use the scrambler rifle instead of the gallante AR are going to have to get the gallante AR anyways even if they will never use it again after week 1 and if they dont they will be at a huge disadvantage against all the proto weapons on the opposite side
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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
67
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:55:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:DEAR LORD, a whole week between 6 and 14 will ruin this game and destroy the minds, SP and conquests of the player base. No one shall ever use the weapons they want anymore, the world will fall apart and the status quo is shatered forever. Do cry more.
you may want to read the thread before you troll.... this doesn't even effect me as im skilling into the galante AR and wont touch the scrambler rifle with a 10 foot pole, |
Aran Abbas
immobile infantry
3
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:56:00 -
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Yesterday I killed someone in proto gear using an alt with NO weapon skills at all. He was packing an AR of some sort and belonged to some big badass corp and I was packing the militia SMG. It was just the two of us out in the open. We strafed each other till we both ran out of bullets and I had the mind to rush him and dance in circles. You can do alright with militia and no skills against even proto players. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
315
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:57:00 -
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6th -> 14th = 8day gap
Meaning at least 500k of SP can be saved up for the new weapons or you can also hold off from spending every last SP you have
I really dont see a problem here |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
67
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:59:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:Yesterday I killed someone in proto gear using an alt with NO weapon skills at all. He was packing an AR of some sort and belonged to some big badass corp and I was packing the militia SMG. It was just the two of us out in the open. We strafed each other till we both ran out of bullets and I had the mind to rush him and dance in circles. You can do alright with militia and no skills against even proto players. but you would do alot better WITH a proto weapon |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
67
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:00:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:6th -> 14th = 8day gap
Meaning at least 500k of SP can be saved up for the new weapons or you can also hold off from spending every last SP you have
I really dont see a problem here
imagine it like you lose 800k+ SP and never get it back OR walk into PC using militia weapons on week 1 when your corp is counting on you
both are terrible choices that a few people are going to have to make |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:03:00 -
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Wasn-¦t trolling, only sarcasm.
Yes, there-¦ll be a land grab rush in the beggining, yes there are differences on the mechanics as a whole, on the possibilities of weapons, on the skills to be invested for them.
In EVE when wormholes were launched, it was a completely foreign mechanic and gameplay, and yet, people made it by TRIAL AND ERROR.
As everything new, there will be those that took their chances and risks, those that put a lot and earned a lot, and those that failed miserably.
If you are unwilling to invest SP into something that you don-¦t know, than DON-¦T. Wait like everyone else who-¦s goign to let the risk takers do all the trial and error, and you get a polished clean path to follow.
Just remember that those same testers are the ones that are going to reap the rewards FIRST, because they had the balls to take chances.
You know, like real life. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
67
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:06:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Wasn-¦t trolling, only sarcasm.
Yes, there-¦ll be a land grab rush in the beggining, yes there are differences on the mechanics as a whole, on the possibilities of weapons, on the skills to be invested for them.
In EVE when wormholes were launched, it was a completely foreign mechanic and gameplay, and yet, people made it by TRIAL AND ERROR.
As everything new, there will be those that took their chances and risks, those that put a lot and earned a lot, and those that failed miserably.
If you are unwilling to invest SP into something that you don-¦t know, than DON-¦T. Wait like everyone else who-¦s goign to let the risk takers do all the trial and error, and you get a polished clean path to follow.
Just remember that those same testers are the ones that are going to reap the rewards FIRST, because they had the balls to take chances.
You know, like real life.
i think youve completly missed the problem
there is no risk... it boils down to
use militia weapons during week one and gimp yourself, or lose 800k SP and never get it back
there is no skilling into something you dont know, ther is no risk taking involved....
its a simple "if you want a scrambler rifle primary and you want to compete in PC during week one you now have to make this lose lose decision" |
Aran Abbas
immobile infantry
3
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:07:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:Yesterday I killed someone in proto gear using an alt with NO weapon skills at all. He was packing an AR of some sort and belonged to some big badass corp and I was packing the militia SMG. It was just the two of us out in the open. We strafed each other till we both ran out of bullets and I had the mind to rush him and dance in circles. You can do alright with militia and no skills against even proto players. but you would do alot better WITH a proto weapon
I absolutely would, but I'm cheap and don't want to be like those elite players who approach something that should be fun like it's a job. I like to run people over and suicide my free LAV into other vehicles. That kind of silliness will keep me in this game longer than any kind of proto gear. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
68
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:10:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:Yesterday I killed someone in proto gear using an alt with NO weapon skills at all. He was packing an AR of some sort and belonged to some big badass corp and I was packing the militia SMG. It was just the two of us out in the open. We strafed each other till we both ran out of bullets and I had the mind to rush him and dance in circles. You can do alright with militia and no skills against even proto players. but you would do alot better WITH a proto weapon I absolutely would, but I'm cheap and don't want to be like those elite players who approach something that should be fun like it's a job. I like to run people over and suicide my free LAV into other vehicles. That kind of silliness will keep me in this game longer than any kind of proto gear.
and thats the gear your going to bring to PC battles in defence of your district???
of course it isnt, your going to go all out proto to give yourself every advantage possable because your district is on the line. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:10:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Wasn-¦t trolling, only sarcasm.
Yes, there-¦ll be a land grab rush in the beggining, yes there are differences on the mechanics as a whole, on the possibilities of weapons, on the skills to be invested for them.
In EVE when wormholes were launched, it was a completely foreign mechanic and gameplay, and yet, people made it by TRIAL AND ERROR.
As everything new, there will be those that took their chances and risks, those that put a lot and earned a lot, and those that failed miserably.
If you are unwilling to invest SP into something that you don-¦t know, than DON-¦T. Wait like everyone else who-¦s goign to let the risk takers do all the trial and error, and you get a polished clean path to follow.
Just remember that those same testers are the ones that are going to reap the rewards FIRST, because they had the balls to take chances.
You know, like real life. i think youve completly missed the problem there is no risk... it boils down to use militia weapons during week one and gimp yourself, or lose 800k SP and never get it back there is no skilling into something you dont know, ther is no risk taking involved, there is no trial and error. its a simple "if you want a scrambler rifle primary and you want to compete in PC during week one you now have to make this lose lose decision"
Think it like that.
If it-¦s lose lose, people won-¦t choose it. If it-¦s not that lose lose, people will invest in it.
Is the investment of 800k SP WORTH the benefits to be reaped from it, even if you-¦ll never use them again?
Then you chose YES or NO.
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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
68
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:12:00 -
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i have this feeling that people dont actually read threads before they comment
to test this if youve read this please insert the word "bacon" in posts so we can see if anyones actually paying attention to the discussion or they are to making **** up to sound smart |
Aran Abbas
immobile infantry
3
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:15:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:Yesterday I killed someone in proto gear using an alt with NO weapon skills at all. He was packing an AR of some sort and belonged to some big badass corp and I was packing the militia SMG. It was just the two of us out in the open. We strafed each other till we both ran out of bullets and I had the mind to rush him and dance in circles. You can do alright with militia and no skills against even proto players. but you would do alot better WITH a proto weapon I absolutely would, but I'm cheap and don't want to be like those elite players who approach something that should be fun like it's a job. I like to run people over and suicide my free LAV into other vehicles. That kind of silliness will keep me in this game longer than any kind of proto gear. and thats the gear your going to bring to PC battles in defence of your district??? of course it isnt, your going to go all out proto to give yourself every advantage possable because your district is on the line.
This is not actually the case for me. It's certainly the case for a lot of people, but I intend to run Standard gear for PC - a lot of which are the readily available BPO's purchased with AUR from the Mercenary Pack or gained from events. The rest will be purchased with ISK. Like I said, I'm cheap. The only way I'd go proto is if some EVE corp was paying for it.
I will never turn this game into a job, because then I would have to abandon it. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:19:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:i have this feeling that people dont actually read threads before they comment
to test this if youve read this please insert the word "bacon" in posts so we can see if anyones actually paying attention to the discussion or they are to making **** up to sound smart
Bacon. Bacon. Bacon.
"in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch."
You don-¦t HAVE to do ANYTHING.
"Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC."
If you think it-¦s a decent weapon, than TRAIN for it !!!!
"you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch."
Either INVEST the SP for the thing you want, or WAIT and deal with the consequences of waiting.
What is so hard on this subject? |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
68
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:20:00 -
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Aran Abbas wrote:
This is not actually the case for me. It's certainly the case for a lot of people, but I intend to run Standard gear for PC - a lot of which are the readily available BPO's purchased with AUR from the Mercenary Pack or gained from events. The rest will be purchased with ISK. Like I said, I'm cheap. The only way I'd go proto is if some EVE corp was paying for it.
I will never turn this game into a job, because then I would have to abandon it.
you wont be able to hold a distrcit, if you want a district your going to have to go proto to keep it.
so those people whose goal in the game is to hold territory (because that to them is fun) will be faced with a lose lose situation.
it doesnt apply to you because you dont want to hold a district if it means having to run in proto gear |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
68
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:22:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:i have this feeling that people dont actually read threads before they comment
to test this if youve read this please insert the word "bacon" in posts so we can see if anyones actually paying attention to the discussion or they are to making **** up to sound smart Bacon. Bacon. Bacon. "in order to participate int he first week of PC (the most important week) you will HAVE to skill into weapons you may not be using after the 15th when the new weapons launch."You don-¦t HAVE to do ANYTHING. "Now if you are going heavy into the scrambler rifle you are going to have to skill into another primary on the 6th if you want to have a decent weapon for the launch of PC."If you think it-¦s a decent weapon, than TRAIN for it !!!! "you must now effectively waste skill points in order to have a fighting chance during the first week of launch."Either INVEST the SP for the thing you want, or WAIT and deal with the consequences of waiting. What is so hard on this subject?
its a lose lose situation that only puts you at a disadvantage, its not a level playing field and its bad game design. and in competitive play that kind of disadvantage is terrible terrible design
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
315
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:22:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:6th -> 14th = 8day gap
Meaning at least 500k of SP can be saved up for the new weapons or you can also hold off from spending every last SP you have
I really dont see a problem here imagine it like you lose 800k+ SP and never get it back OR walk into PC using militia weapons on week 1 when your corp is counting on you both are terrible choices that a few people are going to have to make
But you dont lose 800k SP and the majority of ppl wont be walking into PC with milita |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:23:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:
This is not actually the case for me. It's certainly the case for a lot of people, but I intend to run Standard gear for PC - a lot of which are the readily available BPO's purchased with AUR from the Mercenary Pack or gained from events. The rest will be purchased with ISK. Like I said, I'm cheap. The only way I'd go proto is if some EVE corp was paying for it.
I will never turn this game into a job, because then I would have to abandon it.
you wont be able to hold a distrcit, if you want a district your going to have to go proto to keep it. so those people whose goal in the game is to hold territory (because that to them is fun) will be faced with a lose lose situation. it doesnt apply to you because you dont want to hold a district if it means having to run in proto gear
Why do you assume proto gear is auto win ? |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
170
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:24:00 -
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Well appart from PC, it is stupid to launch on 6 a patch that adds new weapon skills and reset people skills, then wait 8 days to patch in said weapons.
It really makes no sense..., if they had waited with the reset until the 14 the, then yes it made sense, or do 2 resets.
I will be going scrambler rifle, so they force me not to play 8 days, ive never liked the current AR so if i would spec into it it would be 7 years from now when all my other skills be maxed, so right now i don't feel like spending 800k sp on a weapon i wont be using in like forever.
Lets hope the MCC trick still works.... |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
68
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:24:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:6th -> 14th = 8day gap
Meaning at least 500k of SP can be saved up for the new weapons or you can also hold off from spending every last SP you have
I really dont see a problem here imagine it like you lose 800k+ SP and never get it back OR walk into PC using militia weapons on week 1 when your corp is counting on you both are terrible choices that a few people are going to have to make But you dont lose 800k SP and the majority of ppl wont be walking into PC with milita
if your never going to use the other weapon than its the same thing as losing those skill points |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
68
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:25:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Aran Abbas wrote:
This is not actually the case for me. It's certainly the case for a lot of people, but I intend to run Standard gear for PC - a lot of which are the readily available BPO's purchased with AUR from the Mercenary Pack or gained from events. The rest will be purchased with ISK. Like I said, I'm cheap. The only way I'd go proto is if some EVE corp was paying for it.
I will never turn this game into a job, because then I would have to abandon it.
you wont be able to hold a distrcit, if you want a district your going to have to go proto to keep it. so those people whose goal in the game is to hold territory (because that to them is fun) will be faced with a lose lose situation. it doesnt apply to you because you dont want to hold a district if it means having to run in proto gear Why do you assume proto gear is auto win ?
its not auto win, but any team not using proto gear will be at a huge disadvantage. and why on earth would you handycap yourself in the most important week |
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