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Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1112	Posted - 2013.04.29 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote It's not a problem, thanks to the 3X SP event, you will at the very least be able to re-creat the build you had before the event. You can then take the extra Sp and further improve that build in order to have a small advantage in PC, or you can wait and add more diversity to that build on the 14th. Yes, it does put you at a slight disadvantage if you want to use the new weapons, but it's honestly not that big of a difference, because, some people already have 11 mill SP and any improvements they can make to their current build are minimal. Also, keep in mind that this is a choice that you will have to make every time new suits, weapons, and vehicles get added, and that everyone has the same choice to make. Edit: and I repeat, this will happen every time we get new content.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1115	Posted - 2013.04.29 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: you have only a certain number of choices now dont skill into a weapon your eventually not going to use and wait for the 15th, wich will mean you cant participate in PC in its most important first week skill into a weapon you will never use again and waste SP neither option is a good thing and before you all get your panties in a bunch, im not personally using the scrambler rifle, im skilling back into the galante, but thats not the point The point is this forces players to either waste SP on something that cannot benifit them after the first week, or sit the first week out and not be able to help their corp wich in the case of smaller corps it will eliminate them from holding territory after the first few days of PC (unless they are very lucky) No it doesn't, the SP you will "waste" is minimal compared to the Sp most already have. Agiain, it will happen every time we get new content. people will either save Sp for the new stuff, or spend it on current stuff in order to further improve their current fittings. No problem at all.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1115	Posted - 2013.04.29 21:24:00 - [3] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: LXicon wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest i don't see how the first week is the most important. if anything, the first week will have the most districts taken without a fight! because as soon as day 3 hits certain corps will be launching attacks to flesh out their territory and if you dont bring your A game its not going to end well for you. the first week is the most important because if all the territory is filled instead of a district costing you 80mil its going to start costing 240 mil and up to attack an occupied district It's called making sacrifices. Bring your A game to PC in the first week, or wait so you can use the new weapons.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1115	Posted - 2013.04.29 21:36:00 - [4] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: If you cant use and do well in militia then my friend maybe FPS's aint your thing. but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are Again, this will be something that happens every time we get new content. You will have to choose between upgrading things already available so you can get an immediate advantage, or saving SP for the new stuff so that you can add diversity to your existing builds. Choices, get used to them.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1116	Posted - 2013.04.29 21:43:00 - [5] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: If you cant use and do well in militia then my friend maybe FPS's aint your thing. but its not bringing your A game, and it will put you at a disadvantage no matter how good you are So the corp attacking you will have to full spec into the current weapons, leaving them at a disadvantage when May 14th hits and people instantly spec into scramblers and stuff... 250 clone packages are about 20 000 000 000 ISK, no idea if the corp wallets can handle that though. Also due to attrition rate the move of clones between planets will be pretty limited, together with the fact that you cannot move clones from two or more districts into one while attacking, you have to stack them somewhere else first. May 6th, all Imperfects spec into Gallente ARs and shield tanking. May 14th everyone else specs into Scrambler Rifles
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1117	Posted - 2013.04.29 22:17:00 - [6] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest So out of your entire Corp, you don't have ANYONE who wants to use the stuff that's already out? (Never mind we're only getting a few new weapon types) You ALL want to use the same 5 types of weapons? And you really can't spare 16 people who want to use some of the stuff we already have? read the thread, im personally sticking with the galante assault rifle, this actually doesnt effect me in the slightest It does actually, because your gear's counter might come on the 14th, and then you'll regret choosing so quickly.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1117	Posted - 2013.04.29 23:05:00 - [7] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: guys i realise that of course you dont have to skill into anything else, but doing so puts you at a disadvantage in quite literally the most important week of planetary conquest So out of your entire Corp, you don't have ANYONE who wants to use the stuff that's already out? (Never mind we're only getting a few new weapon types) You ALL want to use the same 5 types of weapons? And you really can't spare 16 people who want to use some of the stuff we already have? read the thread, im personally sticking with the galante assault rifle, this actually doesnt effect me in the slightest It does actually, because your gear's counter might come on the 14th, and then you'll regret choosing so quickly. no it doesnt, not even in the slightest, as i do not want the scrambler rifle at all, ever Whoosh. W/e, I guess.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1120	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:41:00 - [8] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself not an option for those that have to run planetary conquest week 1 You'er thinking too small, just cause you snag a district in week 1 doesn't mean you'll get to keep it very long.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1120	Posted - 2013.04.30 01:45:00 - [9] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: Or just not play dust for a week until the FULL uprising is released. Like myself not an option for those that have to run planetary conquest week 1 You'er thinking too small, just cause you snag a district in week 1 doesn't mean you'll get to keep it very long. and having to use militia weapons the first week is going to make that harder (its either that or potentially waste SP) i think your thinking to small in underestimating the importance of week 1 I'm just letting you know that a slight advantage in the first week won't mean much in the long run.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1120	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:02:00 - [10] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: if you dont bring your A-game on that first weel you risk losing everything as it starts and so you must skill into a weapon and if your builing towards a srambler setup, then your going to be gimped even if you waste skillpoints in another weapon Your corp should be big enough that you will have enough (good)players who won't be skilllng into the new weapons, and like I said before, this is a dilemma that everyone will face, so not everyone will be able to bring their A-game anyway. I guarantee you that there are Pink Fluffy, Cronos, and Negative Feedback players that also want to use the new weapons, this will be a choice all corps have to make, and continue to make in the future, though that won't really matter as much as it will in these first few days/weeks.

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1120	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:19:00 - [11] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: if you dont bring your A-game on that first weel you risk losing everything as it starts and so you must skill into a weapon and if your builing towards a srambler setup, then your going to be gimped even if you waste skillpoints in another weapon Your corp should be big enough that you will have enough (good)players who won't be skilllng into the new weapons, and like I said before, this is a dilemma that everyone will face, so not everyone will be able to bring their A-game anyway. I guarantee you that there are Pink Fluffy, Cronos, and Negative Feedback players that also want to use the new weapons, this will be a choice all corps have to make, and continue to make in the future, though that won't really matter as much as it will in these first few days/weeks. my corp isnt efected by this, but it IS a problem If it's a problem for everyone, then it's not actually a problem, since it's a choice everyone will have to struggle with. Not to mention that weapons have been re-balanced, so there's no way anyone will be able to bring their "A game" the first few days anyway. You said you plan to use the Gallenete AR? You don't even know if it will be any good come uprising. Really wishing I had some Alts with SP right about now...
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1120	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:23:00 - [12] - Quote Also, not saying this wasn't a dumb move on CCP's part, but it is what it is. All we can do now is try and plan accordingly.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1120	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:38:00 - [13] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: If it's a problem for everyone, then it's not actually a problem Really wishing I had some Alts with SP right about now... by that logic there will never be any problems in the game as any problem that exists wont affect everyone. I should have worded that differently, it's not a problem, just a situation that everyone will go through. Even if Scrambler rifles were available on the 6th, people still wouldn't be able to bring their A game since no one actually knows how to properly use them yet. The same is true for the weapons we have now, since they will be changing. So no, no problem at all. Like I said, "sacrifices".
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1120	Posted - 2013.04.30 02:49:00 - [14] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: its a choice that only a portion of the player base have to make, its a sacrafice that not all players have to concider, its not a balanced fair aproch to a release No, it is a choice that everyone will have to make, some have already made that choice. You think you picking the AR has excluded you from choosing? No, you made your choice, it's called the "Gallenete AR". And it is fair, anyone who chooses to bring their A-game the first week will hen have to grind in order to be able to use the new weapons. There's only so much SP you can put into a build anyway, and those last 2 mill tend to be pretty negligible, you have to diversify eventually. That said, "fair" has nothing to do with Dust, look at all the rookies and small corps that stand no chance in PC. Edit: it would be nice if they moved PC to like the 20th or something, but i'm sure it's too late to stop things now.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 1140	Posted - 2013.04.30 17:52:00 - [15] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: its a lose lose situation that only puts you at a disadvantage, its not a level playing field and its bad game design. and in competitive play that kind of disadvantage is terrible terrible design If it-¦s indeed a lose lose situation, than EVERYONE that CHOSE this path will be EQUALLY in LOSS. That IS the level playing field, EVERYONE getting screwed up equally. Is the acess to weapons via the future skilltree designed well? Questionable. I agree with you in that. Does it create a disavantage for some people and not others? NO. Will this impact PC? Only if you want it to. not everyone has to make the choice, meaning everyone isnt losing equily, meaning its not a level playing field, meaning it creates a disadvantage to some people and not others Like I told you before, you already made your choice, you chose PC over new weapons. You never had interest in those new weapons? Well then, I guess it must have been an easy choice for you. But guess what? There's only so much SP you can put into any one particular fitting anyway, you would have had to spec into different suits/weapons eventually. You're here acting like if 1 level of endurance is going to put you at a sever disadvantage. Well guess what? There are people with more SP than you, and people with less, and every corp has people who want to spec into the new weapons, this was never going to be an even playing field. If you don't have the SP to spare for the new weapons then you're not ready for PC anyway. Not to mention the fact that you thinking that you or anyone is going to be able to bring their "A-game" in the first week is foolish. Seriously, with all the changes made to the skill system, just blindly skilling into things so that you can have temporary advantage is the stupidest thing you can do, now that would be a real "waste of SP". You're going to skill into the Gallenete AR? The GAR could be the weakest weapon in the game for all you know You already know what suit you're going to use? You don't even know their stats yet. So tell us about how you're going to bring your "A-game" in a build you've never played. That said: I do hope CPM can convince CCP to move PC back to the 14th and the weapons to the 6th, but if they can't, then to freaki'n bad. Get over it.