I saw this after posting the thing I just posted, and now I'm confused...

Um, anti-personnel proximity mines? I thought it was about claymores?

I would absolutely disagree with the implantation of Claymores or other Anti Infantry Proximity charges. RE's that pretty much dont require you to do anything, the only reason i dont mind RE's is the fact that the guy actually needs to pay attention to the objectives, with claymores its just.... Sit back die like a noob, and get kills because people run into your mines, call it skill. COD STYLE.

No, no, my confusion is the "proximity" part. While they can certainly be rigged to a trip-wire or a timer or whatever you want, that's all field-expedient jury-rigging and stuff. Out-of-the-box, they're manually triggered.

No, no, my confusion is the "proximity" part. While they can certainly be rigged to a trip-wire or a timer or whatever you want, that's all field-expedient jury-rigging and stuff. Out-of-the-box, they're manually triggered.

Yeah, I think COD started the video-game convention that claymores are proximity mines.

If they run into your blatantly obvious mines, they are as bad as you.

Yeah, I think COD started the video-game convention that claymores are proximity mines.

Yes, both sides get it, but the problem is: It encourages a type of gameplay I find to be boring and rewards camping and less agressive play and punishes agressive play and folks who actually drive the fight forward.

Anything that encourages camping and discourages aggression needs to be thought about carefully, otherwise you make the game slower and usually less fun. Sniper fests are boring, dynamic skirmishes with both sides attacking and flanking are fun. prox mines empowers the former and handicaps the latter.

*Le me climbing ladder to get to a sniper at the top of Ashland
Me: Hey, look, a claymore... crap
*BOOM

Yeah, sorry, that's a no on claymores.

Then you climb again? Drop an uplink close by? Cry less?? Many options/solutions for skilled gamers playing the game when the claymores come into play.

claymores encourage camping. Camping is lame and not fun. COD has claymores and you can just secure a nifty sniper spot and use claymores to watch your make. Even if someone kills the claymore it still warns you of their approach, fun...

Difficult IS good. Easy kills are lame. Claymores dont require skills to use. They rely on the other player making a mistake and not on you doing well. That type of gameplay is bad. Its not fun to be killed by a claymore/prox mine, and its not rewarding to get such a cheap kill.

This game already encourages camping a ton. We dont need more.

You've never climbed those ladders have you? One does not simply "climb again"

you are cherry picking here dude.. Off topic talking about ladders. Most weapons can take me down on top of those stairs. Claymores are no different as long as you can take them down/out.

You're a moron... honestly.

Disagree with this. Planting claymores in good position takes skill. Even so, just take away the killing damage...have them do 200 damage so they can only kill wounded players and beginner scouts (sorry guys...you wanted speed right?)

Then its more supplemental damage.

Give us points for shooting them tho. Also let active scanners point out their locations.

There is nothing you can do about a claymore at the top of the ladders on that map. You cannot just "take them down/out", the only way to do that would be to set it off, and I fully expect that to be fatal. People can still do that with proximity explosives, but at least those require that the user is paying attention.

Basically Claymores would be EZ mode.

How about.... read my first post in this thread?

There's nothing you can do - but what if you step on it, and it beeps, but then it doesn't go off unless you shoot it or move away?

So you climb up, step on the claymore because it's RIGHT THERE, but then you KILL THE GUY ANYWAY, and if you have an Uplink, you can toss it down then jump or run off the mine and end it. Or wait for someone to spawn on the Uplink, and they can hack and disable the mine, letting you move on. And if you don't have an Uplink, you can either rest easy knowing you got the guy, or you can call for someone to come over and help you out.

Yeah, if we ever get proximity mines then I fully expect a basic one to do less damage than a locus grenade.

'' oh hey I'll run out the red zone, put my noob weapon on a letter, wait for kills in my hidey hole, then do it again and again ''

Also countered by my suggestions.

Walk over to the objective to hack it, hear a warning beep letting you know you stepped on a prox mine. Let your squadmate know you stepped on a mine, and while you're hacking the objective, he comes over and hacks the mine to disable it. If you were rushing and didn't hear the beep, or weren't paying attention, you get blown up. If they were smart, and anticipated your direction of approach, they might have put it just OUTSIDE hack range, so you were held up and had to wait for reinforcements - or you might be more likely to mis the tone when you're close to your objective, giving better odds on blowing you up.

Yes, because as we all know, landmines are packed with less explosives than grenades. I would expect them to do the equivalent of a grenade, just either in a single direction or with a tighter blast radius.

Yes, because we all know that things have to make sense in video games.

HMGs have less range then ARs because why exactly?

Missile splash damage sucks why?

Pistols do more headshot damage than your average gun in like every shooter ever made why?

I'm pretty sure that a proximity mine should do more damage than a grenade in real life, that doesn't mean that will actually be the case if you see them in game. Realness, lore, and even common sense take a backseat when it comes to balance.

Not played many FPS's have you.

Certainly not with claymores in, well I have, and in every single game without exception, they are easy noob kills.

So again, no.