Dude its OFFICIALLLY stated we are not commercial released. By CCP themselves!

You are responsible for reviewing the Fees section of the Game for changes in the Fee or payment terms. If a change is unacceptable to you, you may, as your sole and exclusive remedy, terminate the EULA and close your Account as described in section 13 below. You are responsible for paying all applicable taxes and for all hardware, software, Internet service, and other costs you incur to access the System.

Forum post != legal document.

Kitten it, it's like arguing with a petulant 12 year old.

Legally, since your "sole and exclusive remedy" is to terminate the EULA and shut your account, not b*tching on the forums - either do so or STFU.

What change?

'Refund at full / commercial release due to reset' changed to 'no reset, therefore no refund.'

1: I'm guessing your friends mom didn't read the EULA (I have. Spoiler: you're screwed.)

Sorry that's not the purchase agreement.

No, she didn't read the EULA.

There's a good reason for that. It's not relevant to the purchase agreement, the contents of which include the product description as it stood at the time of purchase.

Doesn't matter what civilised country you're applying the laws for - I'd say "even" Britain, but "especially" might fit better, since they offer better consumer protection than most US states, in which this is still not legal - but you can't retroactively use a digital product's EULA to get out of ANY detail included in a purchase agreement.

Spoiler: The product description in an online store legally comprises a part of the purchase agreement. By British law as well as US, NZ, Australian and most other countries that actually have consumer laws with any possibility of application to online purchases.

Who cares, you got what you paid for, end of story. If you were being shorted in some manner, then yes something needs to be done. But that isn't the case, so move on already and stop trying to get more than you paid for.

Uh, The EULA overrides everything. You're wrong.

Like I said before, If you can actually find a Lawyer stupid/desperate enough to take the case, try to prosecute. Don't be sad when you fail though.

I am only trying to get what I agreed to purchase. This is complete and utter bullshit that they'd even attempt anything such as this, I gave them MY money as an investment in the hopes of creating a better game, and now they stab me in the back by not fullfilling their end of the agreement AND take my money. unacceptable by any company.

No, you're being dishonest. You have to be a special kind of idiot to not understand the reasoning behind the original refund offer.

So pick, dishonest or idiot.

But I'm still waiting to get what I paid for. And once we go to commercial release I will be refunded my all my first gen merc. packs and I will then be getting what I agreed too.

No, she didn't read the EULA.

There's a good reason for that. It's not relevant to the purchase agreement, the contents of which include the product description as it stood at the time of purchase.

Doesn't matter what civilised country you're applying the laws for - I'd say "even" Britain, but "especially" might fit better, since they offer better consumer protection than most US states, in which this is still not legal - but you can't retroactively use a digital product's EULA to get out of ANY detail included in a purchase agreement.

Spoiler: The product description in an online store legally comprises a part of the purchase agreement. By British law as well as US, NZ, Australian and most other countries that actually have consumer laws with any possibility of application to online purchases.

Upon termination of this beta, CCP may, in its sole discretion, delete or destroy all characters, character attributes, skills, and items acquired during the beta. As a participant in the beta, you acknowledge and agree you have no right to retain characters or their attributes, skills, or other acquired items.

Since the last reset, everything you purchased was refunded to use again, which means you got what you paid for since there is no character resets anymore.

All the millions of SP you likely got from boosters using Aurum and merc pack bonuses is permanently part of your character now.

You are owned absolutely nothing unless CCP resets us all again (which isn't happening).

The refund clause was in place because the original intent was there would be a full server wipe. Keep up!

BUT there IS one for going into commercial release, which is yet to happen as stated by CCP.

Correct there are no more character resets unless major trouble. BUT there IS one for going into commercial release, which is yet to happen as stated by CCP.



Correct.




BUT there IS one for going into commercial release, which is yet to happen as stated by CCP.

There is no more resets, everything you have now will be part of Dust for the remainder of it's lifetime.

If they do reset, then you will get refunded like you have on past resets. But it isn't happening, 100% guaranteed.

Wrong. There's no more resets or wipes, unless something catastrophic happens.

Stop being dishonest.

Wrong. There's no more resets or wipes, unless something catastrophic happens.

Stop being dishonest.

EDIT: Anyone who bought a merc pack through gamestop or similar, and did NOT sign the EULA are in fact entitled to a full refund, but since they have not used any of the items or aurum by virtue of not actually playing the game, it makes absolutely no difference to them at all.

You're right, under the various consumer laws that CCP is bound by, they are legally obligated to refund merc packs bought online through gamestop and the like (not anything bought through the game it's self as per section 4 of the EULA)

HOWEVER

Those legal rights are waived by signing the EULA (section 3 para 3).


EDIT: Anyone who bought a merc pack through gamestop or similar, and did NOT sign the EULA are in fact entitled to a full refund, but since they have not used any of the items or aurum by virtue of not actually playing the game, it makes absolutely no difference to them at all.

link?

Just a few:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=582877#post582877

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443

There was also a sticky about it on the general forums for the longest time, not there anymore though.

But this was it:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619126#post619126


Seems pretty clear to me.

Can we agree to disagree and blame CCP for not providing any real answers?

I have no ill will against anyone btw.

Edit: I'm a twin I can argue for days.

If you "acquired" the Merc Pack through gameplay, rather than purchasing it online through PSN or Gamestop (or in-store in the case of Gamestop), this would be relevant. I don't know of anyone who did, so it's not at all applicable to the Merc Pack in any situation that I've heard of as a possibility.

The purchase agreement is legally binding REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANY EULA CONTENT MIGHT STATE ABOUT CCP'S RIGHT TO CHANGE THINGS.

There's significant legal precedent in many countries - including CCP's chosen jurisdiction - for EULAs to be overruled by purchase agreements. By my own local laws, even the EULA's claim to apply British law can't be enforced when I'm questioning something in the purchase agreement, and my local laws (which are almost identical to British law anyway) are applicable. And by those laws, I'm entitled, regardless of the contents of any post-purchase EULA, or even a pre-purchase EULA that was made separate from the purchase itself, to what I was offered when I bought the product.

All 3 links simply stated skill points wont be reset to 0. That's not the issue nice try.