When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it.

Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet.

Got a friend whose mother is a lawyer, and has been through similar cases to this one more than once, all of which were resolved in the customer's favour. Asked her to look at the original wording of the Merc Pack compared with the current wording, and got her to look at multiple official sources - from both Sony and CCP - stating that the game isn't commercially released yet. She says there's a really solid case. I also had a friend who's in a law degree doing a case study specifically based around online purchases and the relevant laws, and he can't see any possible way for a lawsuit to fail if CCP don't give some form of refund of Merc Pack content to the purchasers who bought it with the original terms. Does that count?


As mentioned, both CCP and Sony have gone on record, publicly, stating that the game isn't yet commercially released. When people approach Sony about the issue, they specifically refuse to get involved until commercial release. When people have been arguing that the game is commercially released, CCP have said no, and in a thread where people were discussing the wording of the Human Endurance event's original posting, there was mention of Uprising "leading into commercial release" and CCP directly stated that Uprising WILL NOT BE THE RELEASE BUILD.

So you guys all spent your aurum on stupid sh*t that you dont need or use and you want it back to spend on other things. So now your crying because some one found a loop hole and now you think you have the right to get your aurum back.

these pay2win tears taste even sweeter than Warrior tears, hang on a sec let me get my cup

For all those claiming CCP ripped them off, i belive they did state there wasn't going to be any more refund or resets when they announced this build we are playing now.

I would say the game has had its commercial release when it went into open beta

Commercial release = The date on which a game became available to the general public

They are not legally obligated to not wipe your SP.

If you push them they'll just pull the same move they did against the RMT buyer that threatened legal action over getting banned; they unbanned him and set his wallet to many billions in the negative. These days they do it to all RMT buyers.

CCP should just make the offer explicit; option for merc pack refund in exchange for SP reset.

They are not legally obligated to not wipe your SP.

If you push them they'll just pull the same move they did against the RMT buyer that threatened legal action over getting banned; they unbanned him and set his wallet to many billions in the negative. These days they do it to all RMT buyers.

CCP should just make the offer explicit; option for merc pack refund in exchange for SP reset.

They are not legally obligated to not wipe your SP.

If you push them they'll just pull the same move they did against the RMT buyer that threatened legal action over getting banned; they unbanned him and set his wallet to many billions in the negative. These days they do it to all RMT buyers.

CCP should just make the offer explicit; option for merc pack refund in exchange for SP reset.

I'd like them to run with that actually.

Anyone who wants an AUR refund has their account fully reset also, since that's the spirit of the wording.

So you guys all spent your aurum on stupid sh*t that you dont need or use and you want it back to spend on other things. So now your crying because some one found a loop hole and now you think you have the right to get your aurum back.

these pay2win tears taste even sweeter than Warrior tears, hang on a sec let me get my cup

For all those claiming CCP ripped them off, i belive they did state there wasn't going to be any more refund or resets when they announced this build we are playing now.

I would say the game has had its commercial release when it went into open beta

Commercial release = The date on which a game became available to the general public

Yea that will sell tons of future items for CCP. Hey buy this so we can screw you later. Wont happen.

You cannot punish a person for asking what you legally agreed to give them. So keep dreaming. If my SP is reset guess what so is yours but you want have anything to show for the reset while I will. I've been through many wipes whats another?

1: I'm guessing your friends mom didn't read the EULA (I have. Spoiler: you're screwed.)

Jealos people are jealous

Imo the whole point of 'aur refund at commercial release' was to entice people to commit money whilst giving them the freedom to expiriment with aswell as test aur items. No aur refund at commercial release = bait and switch

All you jealous people are free to cry about it

Actually, there's only a few dozen (if that) morons trying to play space lawyer, Probably less than 0.5% of the player base. Water off a duck's back losing them. To be honest, I'd rather they were all booted anyway, because they're the same people who keep crying about other things, and prevent intelligent conversations from developing because of their incessant self entitled cry-posts spamming the forums to death.

This X1000000.

They made a special offer so people would spend money on a "beta" otherwise no one would have.

Actually it's called the "We asked (begged) CCP for no more resets, and they delivered, now we're whining about it because apparently we're all 12 years old - and switch."

And your the freeloader that want something you don't deserve. IE me getting punished for supporting CCP. But please continue.

Nice assumption, but wrong. I've bought a merc pack each month I've been playing. Will gladly take a photo of the 3 dragonfly bpos and 3 toxin bpos.

Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off.

Give up all the SP, ISK, and anything else you gained from using that Aurum, and you might have my support. Otherwise stop trying to hustle CCP for something you are not owed.

And? Did you not agree to the same terms I did?

Edit: o wait u bought them too late right?

Boy are you misguided. We don't want a reset. We are waiting for commercial release big difference. PS its yet to happen.

Nope, The T&C had the refund clause, but I'm not ******** and fully understood that the spirit of the wording was because the original intention was the wipe everything when the game left beta, and when wiping the server was removed from the equation, so were refunds.

Cry more.

And? Did you not agree to the same terms I did?

Edit: o wait u bought them too late right?

Not at all, it's the spirit of the agreement - Every time CCP resets our characters, they refund our real money stuff - no more, no less. No more resets = no more refunds.

And again, it could be argued that commercial release was the move to TQ, and we are now waiting on the full release - as commercial release and full release are not always the same thing.

I bought them pre-TQ, and I suggested the full reset in exchange for a refund.

So cry more space-lawyer.

You folks do realize that if CCP wished to do so, they could simply reset everything (isk, SP, aurum purchases) back to zero, name it "Commercial release" and solve this, right?