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ALM1GHTY STATIUS
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:41:00 -
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Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:45:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. Got a source confirming the game has launched? Because I'm sure a few minutes of searching will provide multiple confirmed sources stating that we not only haven't hit commercial release yet, but also won't be getting there with Uprising either. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:47:00 -
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Honestly, this refund thing has been done to death. We're not in 'commercial release' either. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:54:00 -
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Dat Q_Q bro, ******* dry your eyes. You've bought your Aurum, you knew what you were getting into when you paid for **** in a BETA you mug. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:56:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. Got a source confirming the game has launched? Because I'm sure a few minutes of searching will provide multiple confirmed sources stating that we not only haven't hit commercial release yet, but also won't be getting there with Uprising either.
CCP said no more wipes of any kind which includes AUR and they're CHANGING the description of their items on the marketplace AFTER people purchased them. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
135
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:58:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. Got a source confirming the game has launched? Because I'm sure a few minutes of searching will provide multiple confirmed sources stating that we not only haven't hit commercial release yet, but also won't be getting there with Uprising either. CCP said no more wipes of any kind which includes AUR and they're CHANGING the description of their items on the marketplace AFTER people purchased them.
That is a little weird. I am in the middle on this topic. I find it a little shady if they changed it. I never paid attention enough to read the fine print. Usually when somebody does something like that it's shady business. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:58:00 -
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What exactly is the issue with the aurum? I read people complaining but couldn-¦t understand the main point so far. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.14 09:59:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:What exactly is the issue with the aurum? I read people complaining but couldn-¦t understand the main point so far.
all aurum purchases we're supposed to be refunded on commercial launch, they're changing the description of the items after we purchased them and claiming they won't refund us. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:00:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Dat Q_Q bro, ******* dry your eyes. You've bought your Aurum, you knew what you were getting into when you paid for **** in a BETA you mug.
Quite. The description was there because it assumed a reset was going to happen when the game went into commercial release. Which still hasn't happened, so your complaint is invalid anyway. |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:06:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:What exactly is the issue with the aurum? I read people complaining but couldn-¦t understand the main point so far. all aurum purchases we're supposed to be refunded on commercial launch, they're changing the description of the items after we purchased them and claiming they won't refund us.
I bought a merc pack, bought items with aurums, got reset moving to singularity. Got all my stuff refunded.
I had unclaimed items and aurum, got reset moving to tranqulity, got all my stuff refunded.
Now, i bought a 30 day passive booster, still have unclaimed items, and there will be no more resets.
Why the hell would i be refunded, if i haven-¦t lost anything to a reset? |
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Michael Arck
sephiroth clones
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:12:00 -
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I'm starting to see a pattern here with certain mercs who still get their bottles warmed at night. lol writing a letter to Sony. Your silly beef is with the developer, what on earth could Sony possibly do? Give you a free PSN avatar for your troubles? Keyboard revolutionists, I tell ya |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:19:00 -
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ENGLISH KITTENKITTEN, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
Refund
v. re-+fund-+ed, re-+fund-+ing, re-+funds v.tr. To give back, especially money; return or repay: refunded the purchase price.
Give back, not give away. Sure i would like them to give me aurum, but they can-¦t refund me aurum if i haven-¦t lost any aurum due to them. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:20:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:What exactly is the issue with the aurum? I read people complaining but couldn-¦t understand the main point so far. all aurum purchases we're supposed to be refunded on commercial launch, they're changing the description of the items after we purchased them and claiming they won't refund us. I bought a merc pack, bought items with aurums, got reset moving to singularity. Got all my stuff refunded. I had unclaimed items and aurum, got reset moving to tranqulity, got all my stuff refunded. Now, i bought a 30 day passive booster, still have unclaimed items, and there will be no more resets. Why the hell would i be refunded, if i haven-¦t lost anything to a reset?
When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it.
Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:24:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I'm starting to see a pattern here with certain mercs who still get their bottles warmed at night. lol writing a letter to Sony. Your silly beef is with the developer, what on earth could Sony possibly do? Give you a free PSN avatar for your troubles? Keyboard revolutionists, I tell ya
Sony funds some of the development of dust if I'm not mistaken. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:24:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:What exactly is the issue with the aurum? I read people complaining but couldn-¦t understand the main point so far. all aurum purchases we're supposed to be refunded on commercial launch, they're changing the description of the items after we purchased them and claiming they won't refund us. I bought a merc pack, bought items with aurums, got reset moving to singularity. Got all my stuff refunded. I had unclaimed items and aurum, got reset moving to tranqulity, got all my stuff refunded. Now, i bought a 30 day passive booster, still have unclaimed items, and there will be no more resets. Why the hell would i be refunded, if i haven-¦t lost anything to a reset? When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it. Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet.
You make a good point, it's almost as if the people opposed to the aur refund are actually just jealous that they missed out. Oh well
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Three Double-A Batteries
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:25:00 -
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It's going to be a fun lawsuit. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:28:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:What exactly is the issue with the aurum? I read people complaining but couldn-¦t understand the main point so far. all aurum purchases we're supposed to be refunded on commercial launch, they're changing the description of the items after we purchased them and claiming they won't refund us. I bought a merc pack, bought items with aurums, got reset moving to singularity. Got all my stuff refunded. I had unclaimed items and aurum, got reset moving to tranqulity, got all my stuff refunded. Now, i bought a 30 day passive booster, still have unclaimed items, and there will be no more resets. Why the hell would i be refunded, if i haven-¦t lost anything to a reset? When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it. Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet. You make a good point, it's almost as if the people opposed to the aur refund are actually just jealous that they missed out. Oh well
Oh they super jelly.
BTW Sony sent me $10 for spending $50 on PSN. Guess what I bought? The aurum pack that gives you 21K aurum and yes I bought the 30 day passive booster that was 25% off. So yea more free stuff!!! |
Natu Nobilis
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:30:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote: When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it.
Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet.
ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Sony funds some of the development of dust if I'm not mistaken.
Drud Green wrote:You make a good point, it's almost as if the people opposed to the aur refund are actually just jealous that they missed out. Oh well
If they said refund, you must understand the meaning of the word. Unless of course, you-¦re trying to give a new meaning to words, socially implement it, and make it retroactive to justify your point.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=691079#post691079
Three Double-A Batteries wrote:It's going to be a fun lawsuit.
We are now in session for the QQplayers X Sony, where they claim that "refund" applies to something that was not lost.
Fun ideed.
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JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:33:00 -
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Again sorry you didnt take advantage of a great deal and plan ahead. Don't punish me because I did. |
ALM1GHTY STATIUS
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
300
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:35:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:JL3Eleven wrote: When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it.
Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet.
ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Sony funds some of the development of dust if I'm not mistaken. Drud Green wrote:You make a good point, it's almost as if the people opposed to the aur refund are actually just jealous that they missed out. Oh well If they said refund, you must understand the meaning of the word. Unless of course, you-¦re trying to give a new meaning to words, socially implement it, and make it retroactive to justify your point. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=691079#post691079Three Double-A Batteries wrote:It's going to be a fun lawsuit. We are now in session for the QQplayers X Sony, where they claim that "refund" applies to something that was not lost. Fun ideed.
I lost the aurum doing to spending it on items in-game and they have the power to, and are legally obligated to, return it.
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JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:35:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:ENGLISH KITTENKITTEN, DO YOU SPEAK IT? Refundv. re-+fund-+ed, re-+fund-+ing, re-+funds v.tr. To give back, especially money; return or repay: refunded the purchase price. Give back, not give away. Sure i would like them to give me aurum, but they can-¦t refund me aurum if i haven-¦t lost any aurum due to them.
I think you dont know the meaning and you posted it. To give back... as in give back the merc pack and all its contents. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:36:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. Got a source confirming the game has launched? Because I'm sure a few minutes of searching will provide multiple confirmed sources stating that we not only haven't hit commercial release yet, but also won't be getting there with Uprising either. CCP said no more wipes of any kind which includes AUR and they're CHANGING the description of their items on the marketplace AFTER people purchased them. In the real world, with the Merc Pack, they're still legally bound to the terms given at the time of purchase.
In-game, "Welcome to New Eden" applies.
None of that proves that we've reached commercial release, and none of it confirms that CCP aren't planning to honour their legal obligations. In fact, there's plenty of evidence to say that they're working on a plan to resolve the issues with the Merc Pack. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
286
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:38:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. Got a source confirming the game has launched? Because I'm sure a few minutes of searching will provide multiple confirmed sources stating that we not only haven't hit commercial release yet, but also won't be getting there with Uprising either. CCP said no more wipes of any kind which includes AUR and they're CHANGING the description of their items on the marketplace AFTER people purchased them. In the real world, with the Merc Pack, they're still legally bound to the terms given at the time of purchase. In-game, "Welcome to New Eden" applies. None of that proves that we've reached commercial release, and none of it confirms that CCP aren't planning to honour their legal obligations. In fact, there's plenty of evidence to say that they're working on a plan to resolve the issues with the Merc Pack.
Did the Game Stop Merc Pack info ever change? I believe last week it was still the origional statement. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2474
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:40:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Did the Game Stop Merc Pack info every change? I believe last week it was still the origional statement. I know it hadn't last I heard, but I don't live in a country with Gamestop, so I can't go down the road and check.
I can safely say that most countries will apply the responsibility for this on Gamestop if CCP have advised them (which they supposedly have) of the change. So Gamestop will be paying for those refunds out of their own pockets, or finding a way to make the Merc Pack the product they sold, which will probably involve interesting problems for them. |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
816
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Posted - 2013.04.14 10:49:00 -
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CCP are looking to implement a reimbursement program before May 6th but you're free to waste your time doing whatever you like.
My personal suggestion would be to wait and see whether they actually state they are not refunding items. |
xaerael Kabiel
Immobile Infantry
22
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Posted - 2013.04.14 11:00:00 -
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Legal, Legal, Legally. I keep hearing this on this subject, but how many of you have actually sought legal advice on this subject?
None?
Thought so.
What you'll find is your blatant attempt to essentially scam CCP out of free stuff by threatening "legal action" is totally flawed. The reason that the refund would have happened was in the event of a full reset on commercial release, resulting in the loss of all AUR benefits and items.
Trying to squeeze CCP for refunds is VERY unethical and immoral. You're twisting the spirit of what was written to your own ends.
So send complaints to Sony. I'm sure they will give in to a couple of dozen people who are blatantly trying to take advantage of CCP, and threaten to shut down Dust, a game which is probably making them thousands of dollars a day.
Also, "commercial release" isn't the same as "out of beta". The game was technically commercially released when it went live on tranquillity and "no more resets or wipes" were announced (note... "no more RESETS"). An AUR reset happened then, just as promised. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
334
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Posted - 2013.04.14 11:02:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Sony funds some of the development of dust if I'm not mistaken. You are mistaken.
Sony only funds development for Sony owned and operated Studios which neither CCP nor CCP/Shanghai are. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
122
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Posted - 2013.04.14 11:02:00 -
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<.< >.> did someone say free? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2474
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Posted - 2013.04.14 11:09:00 -
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xaerael Kabiel wrote:Legal, Legal, Legally. I keep hearing this on this subject, but how many of you have actually sought legal advice on this subject? Got a friend whose mother is a lawyer, and has been through similar cases to this one more than once, all of which were resolved in the customer's favour. Asked her to look at the original wording of the Merc Pack compared with the current wording, and got her to look at multiple official sources - from both Sony and CCP - stating that the game isn't commercially released yet. She says there's a really solid case. I also had a friend who's in a law degree doing a case study specifically based around online purchases and the relevant laws, and he can't see any possible way for a lawsuit to fail if CCP don't give some form of refund of Merc Pack content to the purchasers who bought it with the original terms. Does that count?
Quote:Also, "commercial release" isn't the same as "out of beta". The game was technically commercially released when it went live on tranquillity and "no more resets or wipes" were announced (note... "no more RESETS"). An AUR reset happened then, just as promised. As mentioned, both CCP and Sony have gone on record, publicly, stating that the game isn't yet commercially released. When people approach Sony about the issue, they specifically refuse to get involved until commercial release. When people have been arguing that the game is commercially released, CCP have said no, and in a thread where people were discussing the wording of the Human Endurance event's original posting, there was mention of Uprising "leading into commercial release" and CCP directly stated that Uprising WILL NOT BE THE RELEASE BUILD. |
xaerael Kabiel
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2013.04.14 11:13:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:xaerael Kabiel wrote:Legal, Legal, Legally. I keep hearing this on this subject, but how many of you have actually sought legal advice on this subject? Got a friend whose mother is a lawyer, and has been through similar cases to this one more than once, all of which were resolved in the customer's favour. Asked her to look at the original wording of the Merc Pack compared with the current wording, and got her to look at multiple official sources - from both Sony and CCP - stating that the game isn't commercially released yet. She says there's a really solid case. I also had a friend who's in a law degree doing a case study specifically based around online purchases and the relevant laws, and he can't see any possible way for a lawsuit to fail if CCP don't give some form of refund of Merc Pack content to the purchasers who bought it with the original terms. Does that count? Quote:Also, "commercial release" isn't the same as "out of beta". The game was technically commercially released when it went live on tranquillity and "no more resets or wipes" were announced (note... "no more RESETS"). An AUR reset happened then, just as promised. As mentioned, both CCP and Sony have gone on record, publicly, stating that the game isn't yet commercially released. When people approach Sony about the issue, they specifically refuse to get involved until commercial release. When people have been arguing that the game is commercially released, CCP have said no, and in a thread where people were discussing the wording of the Human Endurance event's original posting, there was mention of Uprising "leading into commercial release" and CCP directly stated that Uprising WILL NOT BE THE RELEASE BUILD.
A friend who's mom's a lawyer eh? OK! go pay them to get your $$$ back!
Hope they're no win no fee... You don't want to be demanding refunds from them too... |
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