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JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 10:20:00 - [1] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: What exactly is the issue with the aurum? I read people complaining but couldn-¦t understand the main point so far. all aurum purchases we're supposed to be refunded on commercial launch, they're changing the description of the items after we purchased them and claiming they won't refund us. I bought a merc pack, bought items with aurums, got reset moving to singularity. Got all my stuff refunded. I had unclaimed items and aurum, got reset moving to tranqulity, got all my stuff refunded. Now, i bought a 30 day passive booster, still have unclaimed items, and there will be no more resets. Why the hell would i be refunded, if i haven-¦t lost anything to a reset? When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it. Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 10:28:00 - [2] - Quote Drud Green wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: What exactly is the issue with the aurum? I read people complaining but couldn-¦t understand the main point so far. all aurum purchases we're supposed to be refunded on commercial launch, they're changing the description of the items after we purchased them and claiming they won't refund us. I bought a merc pack, bought items with aurums, got reset moving to singularity. Got all my stuff refunded. I had unclaimed items and aurum, got reset moving to tranqulity, got all my stuff refunded. Now, i bought a 30 day passive booster, still have unclaimed items, and there will be no more resets. Why the hell would i be refunded, if i haven-¦t lost anything to a reset? When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it. Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet. You make a good point, it's almost as if the people opposed to the aur refund are actually just jealous that they missed out. Oh well Oh they super jelly. BTW Sony sent me $10 for spending $50 on PSN. Guess what I bought? The aurum pack that gives you 21K aurum and yes I bought the 30 day passive booster that was 25% off. So yea more free stuff!!!
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 10:33:00 - [3] - Quote Again sorry you didnt take advantage of a great deal and plan ahead. Don't punish me because I did.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 10:35:00 - [4] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: ENGLISH KITTENKITTEN, DO YOU SPEAK IT? Refund v. re-+fund-+ed, re-+fund-+ing, re-+funds v.tr. To give *back*, especially money; return or repay: refunded the purchase price. Give back, not give away. Sure i would like them to give me aurum, but they can-¦t refund me aurum if i haven-¦t lost any aurum due to them. I think you dont know the meaning and you posted it. To give back... as in give back the merc pack and all its contents.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 10:38:00 - [5] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. Got a source confirming the game has launched? Because I'm sure a few minutes of searching will provide multiple confirmed sources stating that we not only haven't hit commercial release yet, but also won't be getting there with Uprising either. CCP said no more wipes of any kind which includes AUR and they're CHANGING the description of their items on the marketplace AFTER people purchased them. In the real world, with the Merc Pack, they're still legally bound to the terms given at the time of purchase. In-game, "Welcome to New Eden" applies. None of that proves that we've reached commercial release, and none of it confirms that CCP aren't planning to honour their legal obligations. In fact, there's plenty of evidence to say that they're working on a plan to resolve the issues with the Merc Pack. Did the Game Stop Merc Pack info ever change? I believe last week it was still the origional statement.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 11:43:00 - [6] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it. Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet. They are not legally obligated to not wipe your SP. If you push them they'll just pull the same move they did against the RMT buyer that threatened legal action over getting banned; they unbanned him and set his wallet to many billions in the negative. These days they do it to all RMT buyers. CCP should just make the offer explicit; option for merc pack refund in exchange for SP reset. You cannot punish a person for asking what you legally agreed to give them. So keep dreaming. If my SP is reset guess what so is yours but you want have anything to show for the reset while I will. I've been through many wipes whats another?
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 11:45:00 - [7] - Quote xaerael Kabiel wrote: Rasatsu wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it. Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet. They are not legally obligated to not wipe your SP. If you push them they'll just pull the same move they did against the RMT buyer that threatened legal action over getting banned; they unbanned him and set his wallet to many billions in the negative. These days they do it to all RMT buyers. CCP should just make the offer explicit; option for merc pack refund in exchange for SP reset. I'd like them to run with that actually. Anyone who wants an AUR refund has their account fully reset also, since that's the spirit of the wording. Yea that will sell tons of future items for CCP. Hey buy this so we can screw you later. Wont happen.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 11:47:00 - [8] - Quote Sir Meode wrote: So you guys all spent your aurum on stupid sh*t that you dont need or use and you want it back to spend on other things. So now your crying because some one found a loop hole and now you think you have the right to get your aurum back. these pay2win tears taste even sweeter than Warrior tears, hang on a sec let me get my cup For all those claiming CCP ripped them off, i belive they did state there wasn't going to be any more refund or resets when they announced this build we are playing now. I would say the game has had its commercial release when it went into open beta Commercial release = The date on which a game became available to the general public Sorry but CCP has stated we have yet to be commercially released so your point is invalid.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 11:53:00 - [9] - Quote Drud Green wrote: Jealos people are jealous Imo the whole point of 'aur refund at commercial release' was to entice people to commit money whilst giving them the freedom to expiriment with aswell as test aur items. No aur refund at commercial release = bait and switch All you jealous people are free to cry about it This X1000000. They made a special offer so people would spend money on a "beta" otherwise no one would have.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 11:56:00 - [10] - Quote I'm not worried about the change I understand that part. If you would keep with the convo we are talking predescription change. Quit getting sidetracked on things no one cares about.

JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 11:58:00 - [11] - Quote xaerael Kabiel wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: xaerael Kabiel wrote: Rasatsu wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: When the game goes into commercial release they are legally obligated to refund it again and without any SP wipes like people are saying. Sorry if you didnt see a good deal when they were waving it in your face begging you to take advantage of it. Edit: we have not hit commercial release yet. They are not legally obligated to not wipe your SP. If you push them they'll just pull the same move they did against the RMT buyer that threatened legal action over getting banned; they unbanned him and set his wallet to many billions in the negative. These days they do it to all RMT buyers. CCP should just make the offer explicit; option for merc pack refund in exchange for SP reset. I'd like them to run with that actually. Anyone who wants an AUR refund has their account fully reset also, since that's the spirit of the wording. Yea that will sell tons of future items for CCP. Hey buy this so we can screw you later. Wont happen. Actually, there's only a few dozen (if that) morons trying to play space lawyer, Probably less than 0.5% of the player base. Water off a duck's back losing them. To be honest, I'd rather they were all booted anyway, because they're the same people who keep crying about other things, and prevent intelligent conversations from developing because of their incessant self entitled cry-posts spamming the forums to death. And your the freeloader that want something you don't deserve. IE me getting punished for supporting CCP. But please continue.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:02:00 - [12] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Drud Green wrote: Jealos people are jealous Imo the whole point of 'aur refund at commercial release' was to entice people to commit money whilst giving them the freedom to expiriment with aswell as test aur items. No aur refund at commercial release = bait and switch All you jealous people are free to cry about it This X1000000. They made a special offer so people would spend money on a "beta" otherwise no one would have. Actually it's called the "We asked (begged) CCP for no more resets, and they delivered, now we're whining about it because apparently we're all 12 years old - and switch." Boy are you misguided. We don't want a reset. We are waiting for commercial release big difference. PS its yet to happen.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:07:00 - [13] - Quote xaerael Kabiel wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: And your the freeloader that want something you don't deserve. IE me getting punished for supporting CCP. But please continue. Nice assumption, but wrong. I've bought a merc pack each month I've been playing. Will gladly take a photo of the 3 dragonfly bpos and 3 toxin bpos. And? Did you not agree to the same terms I did? Edit: o wait u bought the too late right?
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:09:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. Give up all the SP, ISK, and anything else you gained from using that Aurum, and you might have my support. Otherwise stop trying to hustle CCP for something you are not owed. Sorry that's not the purchase agreement.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:18:00 - [15] - Quote xaerael Kabiel wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: xaerael Kabiel wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: And your the freeloader that want something you don't deserve. IE me getting punished for supporting CCP. But please continue. Nice assumption, but wrong. I've bought a merc pack each month I've been playing. Will gladly take a photo of the 3 dragonfly bpos and 3 toxin bpos. And? Did you not agree to the same terms I did? Edit: o wait u bought them too late right? Nope, The T&C had the refund clause, but I'm not ******** and fully understood that the spirit of the wording was because the original intention was the wipe everything when the game left beta, and when wiping the server was removed from the equation, so were refunds. Cry more. Wow lol. So you understood their "spirit" while others see it completely different. Too bad their "spirit" said otherwise stating refunds specifically.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:21:00 - [16] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Drud Green wrote: Jealos people are jealous Imo the whole point of 'aur refund at commercial release' was to entice people to commit money whilst giving them the freedom to expiriment with aswell as test aur items. No aur refund at commercial release = bait and switch All you jealous people are free to cry about it This X1000000. They made a special offer so people would spend money on a "beta" otherwise no one would have. Actually it's called the "We asked (begged) CCP for no more resets, and they delivered, now we're whining about it because apparently we're all 12 years old - and switch." Boy are you misguided. We don't want a reset. We are waiting for commercial release big difference. PS its yet to happen. Not at all, it's the spirit of the agreement - Every time CCP resets our characters, they refund our real money stuff - no more, no less. No more resets = no more refunds. And again, it could be argued that commercial release was the move to TQ, and we are now waiting on the full release - as commercial release and full release are not always the same thing. Dude its OFFICIALLLY stated we are not commercial released. By CCP themselves!
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:24:00 - [17] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: And? Did you not agree to the same terms I did? Edit: o wait u bought them too late right? I bought them pre-TQ, and I suggested the full reset in exchange for a refund. So cry more space-lawyer. So 1 person made a suggestion so what? Wish I was a space lawyer... I would be space rich.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:25:00 - [18] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: You folks do realize that if CCP wished to do so, they could simply reset everything (isk, SP, aurum purchases) back to zero, name it "Commercial release" and solve this, right? Yes. Do that. or just reset my aurum. It's up to you. Either way I get it back.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:27:00 - [19] - Quote Can we agree to disagree and blame CCP for not providing any real answers? I have no ill will against anyone btw.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:28:00 - [20] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Dude its OFFICIALLLY stated we are not commercial released. By CCP themselves! Forum post != legal document. Kitten it, it's like arguing with a petulant 12 year old. EULA wrote: You are responsible for reviewing the Fees section of the Game for changes in the Fee or payment terms. If a change is unacceptable to you, you may, as your sole and exclusive remedy, terminate the EULA and close your Account as described in section 13 below. You are responsible for paying all applicable taxes and for all hardware, software, Internet service, and other costs you incur to access the System. Legally, since your "sole and exclusive remedy" is to terminate the EULA and shut your account, not b*tching on the forums - either do so or STFU. What change?

JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:35:00 - [21] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Dude its OFFICIALLLY stated we are not commercial released. By CCP themselves! Forum post != legal document. Kitten it, it's like arguing with a petulant 12 year old. EULA wrote: You are responsible for reviewing the Fees section of the Game for changes in the Fee or payment terms. If a change is unacceptable to you, you may, as your sole and exclusive remedy, terminate the EULA and close your Account as described in section 13 below. You are responsible for paying all applicable taxes and for all hardware, software, Internet service, and other costs you incur to access the System. Legally, since your "sole and exclusive remedy" is to terminate the EULA and shut your account, not btching on the forums - either do so or STFU. What change? 'Refund at full / commercial release due to reset' changed to 'no reset, therefore no refund.' We are saying for the second time now. Only the original ones with original statement not all unless Game Stop.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:43:00 - [22] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: Over not getting reimbursed for game-launch on the aurum I bought. I recommend anyone else do the same if this pissed you off. Give up all the SP, ISK, and anything else you gained from using that Aurum, and you might have my support. Otherwise stop trying to hustle CCP for something you are not owed. Sorry that's not the purchase agreement. Who cares, you got what you paid for, end of story. If you were being shorted in some manner, then yes something needs to be done. But that isn't the case, so move on already and stop trying to get more than you paid for. But I'm still waiting to get what I paid for. And once we go to commercial release I will be refunded my all my first gen merc. packs and I will then be getting what I agreed too.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:48:00 - [23] - Quote xaerael Kabiel wrote: ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote: I am only trying to get what I agreed to purchase. This is complete and utter bullshit that they'd even attempt anything such as this, I gave them MY money as an investment in the hopes of creating a better game, and now they stab me in the back by not fullfilling their end of the agreement AND take my money. unacceptable by any company. No, you're being dishonest. You have to be a special kind of idiot to not understand the reasoning behind the original refund offer. So pick, dishonest or idiot. What reasoning and what offer?
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:57:00 - [24] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Since the last reset, everything you purchased was refunded to use again, which means you got what you paid for since there is no character resets anymore. Correct there are no more character resets unless major trouble. BUT there IS one for going into commercial release, which is yet to happen as stated by CCP. DJINN leukoplast wrote: All the millions of SP you likely got from boosters using Aurum and merc pack bonuses is permanently part of your character now. Correct. DJINN leukoplast wrote: You are owned absolutely nothing unless CCP resets us all again (which isn't happening). BUT there IS one for going into commercial release, which is yet to happen as stated by CCP.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 12:58:00 - [25] - Quote xaerael Kabiel wrote: The refund clause was in place because the original intent was there would be a full server wipe. Keep up! Alas, but the plan changed.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 13:07:00 - [26] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Since the last reset, everything you purchased was refunded to use again, which means you got what you paid for since there is no character resets anymore. Correct there are no more character resets unless major trouble. BUT there IS one for going into commercial release, which is yet to happen as stated by CCP. DJINN leukoplast wrote: All the millions of SP you likely got from boosters using Aurum and merc pack bonuses is permanently part of your character now. Correct. DJINN leukoplast wrote: You are owned absolutely nothing unless CCP resets us all again (which isn't happening). BUT there IS one for going into commercial release, which is yet to happen as stated by CCP. There is no more resets, everything you have now will be part of Dust for the remainder of it's lifetime. If they do reset, then you will get refunded like you have on past resets. But it isn't happening, 100% guaranteed. link?
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 13:09:00 - [27] - Quote xaerael Kabiel wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: BUT there IS one for going into commercial release, which is yet to happen as stated by CCP. Wrong. There's no more resets or wipes, unless something catastrophic happens. Stop being dishonest. How am I being dishonest?
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 13:25:00 - [28] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: There is no more resets, everything you have now will be part of Dust for the remainder of it's lifetime. If they do reset, then you will get refunded like you have on past resets. But it isn't happening, 100% guaranteed. link? Just a few: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=582877#post582877 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443 There was also a sticky about it on the general forums for the longest time, not there anymore though. But this was it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619126#post619126 Seems pretty clear to me. All 3 links simply stated skill points wont be reset to 0. That's not the issue nice try.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 13:29:00 - [29] - Quote Just a reminder. JL3Eleven wrote: Can we agree to disagree and blame CCP for not providing any real answers? I have no ill will against anyone btw. Edit: I'm a twin I can argue for days.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 13:35:00 - [30] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: There is no more resets, everything you have now will be part of Dust for the remainder of it's lifetime. If they do reset, then you will get refunded like you have on past resets. But it isn't happening, 100% guaranteed. link? Just a few: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=582877#post582877 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=598443#post598443 There was also a sticky about it on the general forums for the longest time, not there anymore though. But this was it: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=619126#post619126 Seems pretty clear to me. All 3 links simply stated skill points wont be reset to 0. That's not the issue nice try. And... that's what he said. Thats not the main point of this post please stick on topic. We are having a good discussion btw.

JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 13:56:00 - [31] - Quote Schalac 17 wrote: As a nonpartisan observer on this, I have not purchased a prechange merc pack and I don't work for CCP. All those that bought the merc pack before the change in description should have all of their items and AUR refunded at such a time that CCP places DUST 514 into commercial release. They have stated many times the we are not in commercial release and as per the terms of purchase, for those that purchased a merc pack prechange CCP are obliged to a refund of said merc pack(s) as per their own wording at the point of sale. It is cut and dry. Those that have no reading comprehension, or simply want to disrupt the normal course of action by saying that CCP doesn't owe those involved anything, are simply trolling. CCP will lock this thread though because they are afraid of facts. Thank you. I will now leave this thread and blame CCP for not providing answers.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 14:13:00 - [32] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you "acquired" the Merc Pack through gameplay, rather than purchasing it online through PSN or Gamestop (or in-store in the case of Gamestop), this would be relevant. I don't know of anyone who did, so it's not at all applicable to the Merc Pack in any situation that I've heard of as a possibility. The purchase agreement is legally binding REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANY EULA CONTENT MIGHT STATE ABOUT CCP'S RIGHT TO CHANGE THINGS. There's significant legal precedent in many countries - including CCP's chosen jurisdiction - for EULAs to be overruled by purchase agreements. By my own local laws, even the EULA's claim to apply British law can't be enforced when I'm questioning something in the purchase agreement, and my local laws (which are almost identical to British law anyway) are applicable. And by those laws, I'm entitled, regardless of the contents of any post-purchase EULA, or even a pre-purchase EULA that was made separate from the purchase itself, to what I was offered when I bought the product. While I don't have access to the resources to disprove you, and while I know that there is precedent for EULAs being overruled, I kinda doubt you have legal precedent for this exact scenario, ie. "explicitly signing away any previous or future legal rights in this matter with a legally binding document" - though if there is, wtf?! Purchase agreements are also legally binding, and are legally binding OUTSIDE of the limitations of EULAs, which are only binding within the confines of the purchased product. When you buy a Merc Pack, that purchase agreement - which includes the product description at the time of purchase - supercedes any EULA because it's applicable outside of the content itself, while the EULA isn't. Someone who agreed to the EULA before buying the Merc Pack is still legally entitled to what the Merc Pack description said at the time of purchase, in spite of them having "no legal rights" with regard to the content of the beta. The Merc Pack purchase occured OUTSIDE the beta, so any EULA relating to the beta is irrelevant. To be honest. if I were actually a member of CCPs legal team, instead of arguing this out, I would have long since advised them to do the following: At the time of commercial release, offer all players the one time option to have any and all aurum, real money items (merc packs, armoured assault packs, etc.) and special event items (Skinweave suits, Exile AR etc.) refunded to their account (refunded in this case meaning returned the the item redeeming system, NOT a cash refund) in exchange for a full reset - SP, ISK, items, everything. This satisfies any and all legal requirements pertaining to the matter regardless of which agreement supersedes which, even though I doubt many will take the offer. Its also a **** move and seen as bullying.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.04.14 14:48:00 - [33] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: To be honest. if I were actually a member of CCPs legal team, instead of arguing this out, I would have long since advised them to do the following: At the time of commercial release, offer all players the one time option to have any and all aurum, real money items (merc packs, armoured assault packs, etc.) and special event items (Skinweave suits, Exile AR etc.) refunded to their account (refunded in this case meaning returned the the item redeeming system, NOT a cash refund) in exchange for a full reset - SP, ISK, items, everything. This satisfies any and all legal requirements pertaining to the matter regardless of which agreement supersedes which, even though I doubt many will take the offer. Its also a **** move and seen as bullying. it's the move that would annoy the least amount people. Ever since the move to TQ and the final reset, it has been generally accepted and understood that we are 'playing for keeps'. By simply giving people a full, no strings, refund CCP goes against that core principle - which annoys all the players who understand and like the HTFU nature of the universe - especially those who didn't buy any merc packs or aurum and are now missing out on a pile of free stuff. By offering the aforementioned deal, CCP only annoys those who think they've found a loophole that gives them something for nothing. You know what happens when you assume? Don't respond to this I wont be checking back. later.
JL3Eleven Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 287	Posted - 2013.04.14 15:57:00 - [34] - Quote So why all the arguing and not asking for answers from CCP? That's where we all should focus our attention and not wait till May.