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Gusk Hevv
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:39:00 -
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Im not asking for much ; just make them like the militia forge and make it cost 1200 ISK DONE. By having a free weapon dealing more damage to one thing makes the game unbalanced. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1996
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:47:00 -
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Militia swarms are a joke. If you're having problems with them....man....I'm just sorry.... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
405
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:49:00 -
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lol, did your free LAV go boom? |
Cat Merc
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:49:00 -
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Then newbies will have no way of taking down tanks. And militia gear is so cheap it might as well be free, so I don't see your problem. Plus as the guy above me said, they're a joke, deal with it. |
Mr Pwnykins
East Los Angeles
0
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:50:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:lol, did your free LAV go boom?
No, my 2000 HP one did :( |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:50:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Im not asking for much ; just make them like the militia forge and make it cost 1200 ISK DONE. By having a free weapon dealing more damage to one thing makes the game unbalanced.
really? that's the unbalanced thing? some zero-skill point piece of over-cpu and over-pg gear? |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1664
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:51:00 -
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You must have fitted a weak vehicle if a militia level swarm is making you cry. Also, ever heard of complex damage mods? |
Delirium Inferno
Chernova Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:55:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:You must have fitted a weak vehicle if a militia level swarm is making you cry. Also, ever heard of complex damage mods? Seriously, why must every time someone suggests something it has to be "crying"? Are we still in first grade? Not saying I agree with the OP or not, but come on now.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1986
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Posted - 2013.03.12 19:55:00 -
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Dire Sentinel Starter Fit says you can get a Militia Forge Gun for free as well.
Problem? |
Gusk Hevv
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:13:00 -
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You guys are too re-tarded to see that it deals more damage to armor **** wits I know it deal 700 damage to shields but it deals 1700 damage to armor , more than an advanced forge gun. Learn before you post |
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1664
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:25:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:You guys are too re-tarded to see that it deals more damage to armor **** wits I know it deal 700 damage to shields but it deals 1700 damage to armor , more than an advanced forge gun. Learn before you post
Making a demand to increase the price of the militia swarms does nothing to solve your problem when there are players out there balling at over 20,000,000 ISK. My recommendation to you is to upgrade to better and tougher vehicles and start slapping some resistance or buffer mods to counter. I have seen decent LAVs survive a militia swarm. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1986
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Posted - 2013.03.12 20:28:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:it deals more damage to armor **** wits I know it deal 700 damage to shields but it deals 1700 damage to armor , more than an advanced forge gun. Learn before you post Oh, SURE, you have to get through the shields first, and that takes forever even against a Militia Armour Tank, but once you're completely out of ammo from doing so, you can two-shot a Militia HAV's armour.
Ever wonder why Militia Swarm Launchers never get kills on anything but LAVs unless they have backup from other weapons? Because I don't. |
Gusk Hevv
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.03.12 21:51:00 -
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Ok sorry for not using proper language I understand your replies and will try to explain my point again this time taking care not to use harsh language:
Now my current Madrugar fit has:2800 shield hp and 5200 armor hp with 25% resists and the 7 guys have militia swarms first 4 guys get through my shields and 3 guys deal around 3500 damage leaving me with 1100 hp. In this scenario 7 nublet AV guys were behind a hill using peek-a-boo style thing I retreated repped up then came back to my surprise there were now 9 nublets.
For shield tankers I know they are a joke and barely do any damage at all, but having a free suit damage armor more is unbalanced a free fit should be using hybrids (50-50 to both)
Now if we keep doing comparisons a free swarm fit dealing that much damage to a tank is like having a frontline starter fit nublet wipe you out in a adv to proto suit ; remember 1 swarm I tank it off easy , 2 swarms eh I hold up , 3 swarms I retreat, more than that is just too much.
Please post responsibly and try to understand me as I'm doing the same to you. Thanks. |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
563
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Posted - 2013.03.12 21:53:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Im not asking for much ; just make them like the militia forge and make it cost 1200 ISK DONE. By having a free weapon dealing more damage to one thing makes the game unbalanced. Lol starter heavies get the militia forge for free |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2013.03.12 21:55:00 -
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Gusk, it sounds like you're trying to solo nine guys with AV weapons in a vehicle. Is there *any* possible way around that? Such as, getting your team mates to go round in an assault suit and kill them with ARs...? It doesn't matter WHAT tech level the AV weapons are, you really shouldn't try to take on more than one or two in a vehicle.
Hell, I've never been a vehicle player, but that much seems obvious. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium
337
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Posted - 2013.03.12 21:55:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:Ok sorry for not using proper language I understand your replies and will try to explain my point again this time taking care not to use harsh language:
Now my current Madrugar fit has:2800 shield hp and 5200 armor hp with 25% resists and the 7 guys have militia swarms first 4 guys get through my shields and 3 guys deal around 3500 damage leaving me with 1100 hp. In this scenario 7 nublet AV guy were behind a hill using peek-a-boo style thing I retreated repped up then came back to my surprise there were now 9 nublets.
For shield tankers I know they are a joke and barely do any damage at all, but having a free suit damage only armor is unbalanced a free fit should be using hybrids (50-50 to both)
Now if we keep doing comparisons a free swarm fit dealing that much damage to a tank is like having a frontline starter fit nublet wipe you out in a adv to proto suit ; remember 1 swarm I tank it off easy , 2 swarms eh I hold up , 3 swarms I retreat, more than that is just too much.
Please post responsibly and try to understand me as I'm doing the same to you. Thanks.
If you think you should be able to survive half a team shooting at you, no matter what box you are sitting in, then you are sorely mistaken. That a team managed to organize that well is also a miracle. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
413
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Posted - 2013.03.12 21:56:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Gusk Hevv wrote:Im not asking for much ; just make them like the militia forge and make it cost 1200 ISK DONE. By having a free weapon dealing more damage to one thing makes the game unbalanced. Lol starter heavies get the militia forge for free You serious? I could have sworn it came with a freak'n swarm... which is why I dropped it. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:01:00 -
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Wait, wait, wait...7 guys? Dear lord, you never stood a chance. But considering those guys were left with nothing but pistols and SMGs, I don't see why we should charge for militia swarms, it's not like 1 guy is enough to bring down a tank. Are we going to start charging for Militia ARs too? |
Gusk Hevv
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:02:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Gusk, it sounds like you're trying to solo nine guys with AV weapons in a vehicle. Is there *any* possible way around that? Such as, getting your team mates to go round in an assault suit and kill them with ARs...? It doesn't matter WHAT tech level the AV weapons are, you really shouldn't try to take on more than one or two in a vehicle.
Hell, I've never been a vehicle player, but that much seems obvious.
Did you even read my post? Seriously before trying to troll an honest duster get a brain. I returned from a safe zone back into the battle zone and I found 9 guys , didn't try to solo them or anything.Period. |
Beld Errmon
UnReaL.
521
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:05:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:
Now my current Madrugar fit has:2800 shield hp and 5200 armor hp with 25% resists
If 7 guys decide to hunt your tank all you can do is keep moving and do drive bys on them, with that said, stop S**t fitting your tank and you'll find life a little bit easier.
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:06:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote: In this scenario 7 nublet AV guys were behind a hill using peek-a-boo style thing I retreated repped up then came back to my surprise there were now 9 nublets.
Sounds like you ran out into a hail of fire, went behind a hill to rep, then went forwards again. Knowing full well they were there. Sounds fairly straightforward to me. Sure, you're stuck, but that's more from good tactics on their part (or bad, as they're nine on one, leaving a mismatch on other parts of the map) rather than cheap weapons. |
GeneralButtNaked
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:11:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote:
Did you even read my post? Seriously before trying to troll an honest duster get a brain. I returned from a safe zone back into the battle zone and I found 9 guys , didn't try to solo them or anything.Period.
If, as your infinitely cool story suggests bro, you did actually have 9 AV guys to fight, you are going to lose. Period. Every time.
And that is exactly how it should be. If half the enemy team can get AV on you, then down you go.
Why would you do anything other than retreat when faced with 9 guys with swarm launchers?
Even better, why would you retreat from 7 guys with Swarm launchers and then go back to them? Did you forget they were there?
If you lose your vehicle by driving into a nest of AV guys, exactly how much sympathy do you need to feel better?
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Gusk Hevv
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:15:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Gusk Hevv wrote: In this scenario 7 nublet AV guys were behind a hill using peek-a-boo style thing I retreated repped up then came back to my surprise there were now 9 nublets.
Sounds like you ran out into a hail of fire, went behind a hill to rep, then went forwards again. Knowing full well they were there. Sounds fairly straightforward to me. Sure, you're stuck, but that's more from good tactics on their part (or bad, as they're nine on one, leaving a mismatch on other parts of the map) rather than cheap weapons. Finally a post that is mature thank god.
Back to topic:Should people really have easy acess to AV like that? Even if they do shouldn't it be a hybrid? If not would you like tohave an entire team go nuts to kill you?
Im not QQing about this much tbh I probably have truckloads of money compared to those nublets but 1-It actually stops most people from specing into AV 2-It gets the whole team to swap out 3-It deals more damage than an advanced forge[Aganist Armor] (do I really need to say more)
And I know most of you scrubs use shields so don't make comments on armor without knowing you s**t. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
415
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:19:00 -
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Gusk Hevv wrote: didn't try to solo them or anything.Period. Your teammates should have taken care of them, if they didn't, then that's their fault. |
new hulk
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
76
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:21:00 -
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Well if you pick the sentinel you get free swarms and a free forge so depnding what you want to do is what you get lol and i picked sentinel so rais the price.:P |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:21:00 -
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In short... Yes, no, yes.
Yes, because can you imagine a team of nubs being killed by guys in LAV's, simply because they can't afford a basic AV loadout? Or being completely useless to dropships flying around overhead, raining rockets on their heads?
I said no to this, but what do you mean? Do you mean a weapon which can work equally well against infantry and vehicles, but not as effectively as, say, an AR against the former and a forge gun against the latter? If so, then no. It'd be fairly simple to run around with a T2 version of that weapon and kill everyone.
And yes, I would love to have an entire team go nuts to kill me, simply because I'm a team player. Oh, and it's a slight ego boost. I'd rather have ten guys try to kill me, and my team get the objective, than one guy try to kill me and we lose the match. |
Beld Errmon
UnReaL.
521
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:22:00 -
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I'm an armor tanker, and I know s**t when i see it the tank you have described is a scrubs tank, you need to work on your fit. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
122
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:26:00 -
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So, this IS a case of "I got too many enemies mad at my tank and they came at me with AV so nerf AV"...
All you really know is what the person who killed your tank was using; for all you can tell, everyone else may have had better Swarms equipped (heck, I normally can't see that fifth missile when I use my Standard Swarm, and when I do its because the dang thing flew straight into the ground instead of at the tank like the other 4), and some may have even had AV grenades. When you have 9 people gunning at your tank, there's no way to keep track of each and every one of them and know exactly what all of them were using.
You got beat by a better team; tanks are not supposed to be a god-mode in this game, even if all the enemy has are militia AV...get enough against you and you will go down. |
Gusk Hevv
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:31:00 -
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Laheon wrote:In short... Yes, no, yes.
Yes, because can you imagine a team of nubs being killed by guys in LAV's, simply because they can't afford a basic AV loadout? Or being completely useless to dropships flying around overhead, raining rockets on their heads?
I said no to this, but what do you mean? Do you mean a weapon which can work equally well against infantry and vehicles, but not as effectively as, say, an AR against the former and a forge gun against the latter? If so, then no. It'd be fairly simple to run around with a T2 version of that weapon and kill everyone.
And yes, I would love to have an entire team go nuts to kill me, simply because I'm a team player. Oh, and it's a slight ego boost. I'd rather have ten guys try to kill me, and my team get the objective, than one guy try to kill me and we lose the match. Hybrids are weapons that deal the same amount of damage to shield and armor so it wont be too good of armor or too bad for shields. |
Nguruthos IX
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2013.03.12 22:36:00 -
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So everyone trolling this thread is cute, but really. Grow up.
The problem isn't one free swarm. One free swarm sucks.
The problem is that with no skill points and no ISK, any team can switch, as a large group to free AV and harass/eliminate a vehicle in a very unbalanced way. Same issue with militia forge guns. Where as the problem with regular forge guns is simply that FG and AV in general are balanced against Tanks, which are HAV. Something like a dropship is thrown totally under the bus at a still hefty price tag of almost a million a pop.
The problem is that for close to no or little cost, and no SP at all, a team can effortlessly wipe out a players million+ ISK vehicle with their millions + SP invested simply by having the will to do so.
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