Lol starter heavies get the militia forge for free

didn't try to solo them or anything.Period.

So everyone trolling this thread is cute, but really. Grow up.

The problem isn't one free swarm. One free swarm sucks.

The problem is that with no skill points and no ISK, any team can switch, as a large group to free AV and harass/eliminate a vehicle in a very unbalanced way. Same issue with militia forge guns. Where as the problem with regular forge guns is simply that FG and AV in general are balanced against Tanks, which are HAV. Something like a dropship is thrown totally under the bus at a still hefty price tag of almost a million a pop.

The problem is that for close to no or little cost, and no SP at all, a team can effortlessly wipe out a players million+ ISK vehicle with their millions + SP invested simply by having the will to do so.

As you may have noticed I want the removal of starter fit swarms; as some of you already said the game has advanced greatly so there is no problem for it to be removed right? roflol
And you may have noticed that out of all things I might have complained about proto AV but did I ever?NO.

Cause you know what , those guys did invest time , sp and money into their gear and I feel totally chill when someone kills me (they rarely do but keep me pinned down)

So get your head out of your a** and see the point I'm trying to make scrubs. Quit trolling threads.

1-1200ISK is nothing even for nublets

6-A militia HAV costs around 200,000ISK(150,000 if you want to get OHKd) the best militia AV costs around 10,000 go figure.

This is a militia HAV thats a PROTO heavy

And once swarms are in the air it doesnt matter my teammates just cant get them fast enough and there is no injector for HAVs

Dont get me wrong I dislike the idea of HAVs being god mode but I hate the idea of them being glass cannons.

You're missing the big picture.

What makes HAVs a glass cannon is not how many people it takes to kill one but how easy it is to kill one
Say my team killed 5 before they could launch 4 swarms fire
Proto heavies dont suck get good (lol so does my madrugar tisk tisk but proto heavies dont get 9 free MDs zerg rushing him).

And I have nothing aganist you so calm down I'm not trying to offend anyone.

understand that dropships have it worse than tanks because they are medium class and unlike tanks, they are not constantly LOSing at least someone.

AV says tanks are OP.
Anyone paying vehicle expenses thinks AV is OP.
AV wants to be able to kill tanks.
But by the transitive property of HAV>MAV>LAV, where AV is balanced vs HAV, this means's AV is greater than anything (non-HAV) by a long shot.

Unless you want Dust to be World of Tanks, or World of AV vs Tanks, instead of "complex battle full of interesting choices and fair results" then really people need to stop looking at AV vs vehicle as AV vs Tanks.

If AV and Tanks constantly want to see themselves buffed against each other, you marginalize any other player out of existence.

ATM, I'm on the side of Free AV is bull*(% because 2-15 people with free AV makes me any any other non-epic-tank want to quit the game. Try to imagine being a sniper, spawned in the middle of enemy fire where everyone has proto's and shotguns. Also when you die, there goes a million+ isk.

Fun.

I understand AV is frustrated with tanks, because sometimes even a coordinated effort with PAID/skilled AV results in failure. And that'd even with tanks being on the ground constantly out of LOS of at least someone. DS = air = dead. GG. Free av zerg is OP and needs fixed. Tanks could also use toned down.

TL;DR, Personally I'm in favor of a large damage reduction across the board, and a very intensive look at the real cost/benefit of calling in vehicles. Which I need not get into the comparison between DS and tanks.

Ugh let me put it this way
Remove starter fits after a character reaches 1mil sp PROBLEM SOLVED
So many people misunderstand a simple concept and feel the need to disagree

"ooh he made a thread about removing\balancing\nerfing\fixing let's all disagree with him cause why not"

THANKS FOR THAT

IMO if it was a tank the entire team might be throwing away their chance to "win" the match for a vehicle kill. But where winning mean's nothing or where in actuality a single AV could score the kill on a DS, there's too large a discrepancy here.

CCP has stated before that they were planning to remove the starter fits when BPOs are in place so I don't see a reason not.

BTW You complain that I can't see the big picture and yet you keep focusing on me and my tanks while there are a lot of other vehichle as Nguruthos stated.

Had you actually read through the thread you would know that I had a Madrugar. *facepalm*

Heh now that we got a friendly place to discuss it's go time :D

Hell I fly militia dropships to get drop uplinks in hard to reach places promotes teamwork :P

EDIT: free stuff that can spawn over and over

Nguruthos made several post about free guys taking down very expensive things breaking escalation.

You don't take $500 to a casino and blame the wheels in the slot machines for eating all of your money. You put the money (tank) into the machine (battle) and didn't like the way the wheels spun (random enemy tactics), but you can't blame the the wheels, you are the one who put your money at risk in the first place.

I love abstract analogies.... =D

removal of starter fits(grab BPOs and make your own fits if you really want to)

In battles with SP totals at the current levels, 99 times out of 100 you are slaughtered before you can reload the first time. You are taking a huge gamble by trying it. You are not only putting yourself at huge risk of death, you are taking away 90% of your ability to help your team.

The winning team makes more money and SP at the end of the match, I honestly don't understand why people WOULDN'T want their team to win. But I guess I'm just old-fashioned....

God knows that if CCP didn't give it to them, they would not create an AV fit for themselves for a month and a half, at least.