So everyone trolling this thread is cute, but really. Grow up.

The problem isn't one free swarm. One free swarm sucks.

The problem is that with no skill points and no ISK, any team can switch, as a large group to free AV and harass/eliminate a vehicle in a very unbalanced way. Same issue with militia forge guns. Where as the problem with regular forge guns is simply that FG and AV in general are balanced against Tanks, which are HAV. Something like a dropship is thrown totally under the bus at a still hefty price tag of almost a million a pop.

The problem is that for close to no or little cost, and no SP at all, a team can effortlessly wipe out a players million+ ISK vehicle with their millions + SP invested simply by having the will to do so.

So everyone trolling this thread is cute, but really. Grow up.

The problem isn't one free swarm. One free swarm sucks.

The problem is that with no skill points and no ISK, any team can switch, as a large group to free AV and harass/eliminate a vehicle in a very unbalanced way. Same issue with militia forge guns. Where as the problem with regular forge guns is simply that FG and AV in general are balanced against Tanks, which are HAV. Something like a dropship is thrown totally under the bus at a still hefty price tag of almost a million a pop.

The problem is that for close to no or little cost, and no SP at all, a team can effortlessly wipe out a players million+ ISK vehicle with their millions + SP invested simply by having the will to do so.

So everyone trolling this thread is cute, but really. Grow up.

The problem isn't one free swarm. One free swarm sucks.

The problem is that with no skill points and no ISK, any team can switch, as a large group to free AV and harass/eliminate a vehicle in a very unbalanced way. Same issue with militia forge guns. Where as the problem with regular forge guns is simply that FG and AV in general are balanced against Tanks, which are HAV. Something like a dropship is thrown totally under the bus at a still hefty price tag of almost a million a pop.

The problem is that for close to no or little cost, and no SP at all, a team can effortlessly wipe out a players million+ ISK vehicle with their millions + SP invested simply by having the will to do so.

I can see what you mean and yes you shouldn't drive into 9 AV guys but you guys are missing the point.
Free AV should be removed to prevent half the team switching out.
If there is going to be a free AV it should be a Hybrid.

BTW quit trolling threads.

As you may have noticed I want the removal of starter fit swarms; as some of you already said the game has advanced greatly so there is no problem for it to be removed right? roflol
And you may have noticed that out of all things I might have complained about proto AV but did I ever?NO.

Cause you know what , those guys did invest time , sp and money into their gear and I feel totally chill when someone kills me (they rarely do but keep me pinned down)

So get your head out of your a** and see the point I'm trying to make scrubs. Quit trolling threads.

As you may have noticed I want the removal of starter fit swarms; as some of you already said the game has advanced greatly so there is no problem for it to be removed right? roflol
And you may have noticed that out of all things I might have complained about proto AV but did I ever?NO.

Cause you know what , those guys did invest time , sp and money into their gear and I feel totally chill when someone kills me (they rarely do but keep me pinned down)

So get your head out of your a** and see the point I'm trying to make scrubs. Quit trolling threads.

1-1200ISK is nothing even for nublets

6-A militia HAV costs around 200,000ISK(150,000 if you want to get OHKd) the best militia AV costs around 10,000 go figure.

A Proto heavy costs about the same, what stops him from getting zerg rushed by 9 guys with free militia assault rifles? His teammates, get over yourself.

Ok sorry for not using proper language I understand your replies and will try to explain my point again this time taking care not to use harsh language:

Now my current Madrugar fit has:2800 shield hp and 5200 armor hp with 25% resists and the 7 guys have militia swarms
first 4 guys get through my shields and 3 guys deal around 3500 damage leaving me with 1100 hp.
In this scenario 7 nublet AV guys were behind a hill using peek-a-boo style thing I retreated repped up then came back to my surprise there were now 9 nublets.

For shield tankers I know they are a joke and barely do any damage at all, but having a free suit damage armor more is unbalanced a free fit should be using hybrids (50-50 to both)

Now if we keep doing comparisons a free swarm fit dealing that much damage to a tank is like having a frontline starter fit nublet wipe you out in a adv to proto suit ; remember 1 swarm I tank it off easy , 2 swarms eh I hold up , 3 swarms I retreat, more than that is just too much.

Please post responsibly and try to understand me as I'm doing the same to you.
Thanks.

Militia HAV? Hahaha.

Seriously, get real. You can easily best one or two militia AV loadouts. Seven? Who cares?! You've won the match. Get over yourself.

So it's not okay for 9 guys with militia ARs to charge at 1 guy with a prototype heavy suit? It's called teamwork, both sides can do it.

No one is trolling, your logic is flawed and people are telling you so. If you can't have a discussion without accusing everyone who disagrees with you of trolling, then maybe you aren't ready for a discussion.

And Militia Swarms aren't free, they take 1 death to get into, and another to get out of. I sincerely doubt anyone is going to survive an entire match with just their side-arm, so that's 2 guaranteed deaths for anyone who wants to switch into AV... unless they have a supply depot, then it's still your teams fault for allowing them to capture it.

This is a militia HAV thats a PROTO heavy

And once swarms are in the air it doesnt matter my teammates just cant get them fast enough and there is no injector for HAVs

Dont get me wrong I dislike the idea of HAVs being god mode but I hate the idea of them being glass cannons.

Finally a post that is mature thank god.

Back to topic:Should people really have easy acess to AV like that? Even if they do shouldn't it be a hybrid? If not would you like tohave an entire team go nuts to kill you?

Im not QQing about this much tbh I probably have truckloads of money compared to those nublets but
1-It actually stops most people from specing into AV
2-It gets the whole team to swap out
3-It deals more damage than an advanced forge[Aganist Armor] (do I really need to say mor
And I know most of you scrubs use shields so don't make comments on armor without knowing you s**t.

THIS IS the problem fool those nublets didn't stand a chance stomped beyond measure had they not switched en masse ,had they not have free AV they would have speced into better gear and then we would all be happy.

You're missing the big picture.

Was there a point behind that other than proto heavy suits suck?


It takes forever for them to lock on, your teammates had more than enough time to kill them before they launched them.


lol you think getting taken out by 9 swarm launchers makes you a glass cannon?

It sounds to me like your team sucked and the other team didn't, but I have a question. Did your team win?

What makes HAVs a glass cannon is not how many people it takes to kill one but how easy it is to kill one
Say my team killed 5 before they could launch 4 swarms fire
Proto heavies dont suck get good (lol so does my madrugar tisk tisk but proto heavies dont get 9 free MDs zerg rushing him).

And I have nothing aganist you so calm down I'm not trying to offend anyone.