/so whenever things change does it or does it not allow someone to change into the next unbalanced/buffed weapon?

That's fair enough, but you can't just ignore the advantages for the type of respec we have worked out. The new/casual players need the ability to redo at least some of their choices due to the game's steep learning curve. Perhaps even one single reset in the lifetime of a character could help but this brings back some of the problems mentioned earlier.

I could go on to say that I understand where you're coming from, that life doesn't give any second chances but this is a game. CCP's real world business depends on how well this game does. If they want it to do well then they need to adapt to a brand new market that is nothing like the EVE one, a fact which I hope they already know, and which few people take into account when discussing ideas like these.

I understand where you're coming from, and I admit that the type of respec you propose wouldn't be that much of an issue. I'd still prefer a hard line one respeccing just to play safe. I admit some people may have issues with the learning curve but I think that should be addressed through other means (tutorials, trial suits, etc).

I still believe that since any choice you make will never limit future choices, respecs are simply not required.

Being an upholder of Eve online orthodoxy, I reject the notion of SP respeccing.

And it's good to see that a good chunk of the posters are pro-no speccing. ^^

If you misplaced it that means you willingly put it there, so now you're just able to use the new FOTM rifle instead, which is a what ccp is trying to avoid which they have done so far

Why mot just have an option to respec for like 1M ISK

No reason tp help people too lazy to look up how the game works

Actually there is. DUST has been missing the tutorials that all games have these days, and ccp is aware of it. Most of the people coming in now have never played EVE. They are at a distinct disadvantage. Calling them "lazy" is in fact a suggestion you might not have given much thought to. One might call it a lazy point of view.

While it is true that tutorials and other "guidance" should be introduced to help new players, I don't think their absence is a reason to allow respeccing.

When you first start playing the game without having read anything about it out-of-game, you will choose your first character. Lets assume you pick a role you (think you) like.

Then, you spend the starter SP you've received. Now you could use them on completely useless skills... but if you take 2 minutes to glance over the skills you have and the skills that are available, you should be able to flesh out your starter build with it and not completely waste those points.

After that, you gain SP as you play. I would assume that through playing the game you get an understanding of what you like to do and which skills help you do it. You'll probably make mistakes, or decide that you want to go another route every now and again. But that is exactly why I'm against respecs of any kind. Training one or two skills that you end up not using in your basic build isn't really that much of a problem. Completed builds take millions of SP, so misplacing a say 100 000 is really not that bad and will teach you to think about what you do next time.

So, unless you've created a character and then parked the game for a few months, which means you'd have a massive amount of SP to spend all at once with no experience and/or knowledge of the game, you should learn as you go along. If you still make huge mistakes (i.e. misplace millions of SP) you are, in fact, being lazy (or not too bright).

Now of course, there will be players who don't care about finding out how stuff works, they just want to pewpew. That's fine, but I'm not sure this is the ideal game for that. If CCP does want to cater to that crowd as well, I'd propose "standard progression paths" that would pick their skills for them rather than respecs.

I won't argue with any of that. I do however look at the issue from a different point of view. How to keep people interested.? Thus making this game a success. Allowing early stage respecs I would consider a huge incentive for those frustrated gamers [and from reading the forums it appears there are many] due to confusing menus [which I hear they're revamping] and lack of content, to stick around during the remainder of the BETA. A temporary game feature. How it might be implemented I know not. From the discussion, I gather it would upset most of the EVE crowd.

To put it another way. To offset the newb uphill climb, confusing menus and lack of content and tutorials... throw them a bone for a few months and let they play around with their SP. We might find that they're even better at the game than the standard blueberry once they find their niche.

I see where you're coming from and while I still think respecs are a bad idea in general, I would be willing to posit a temporary compromise and say anyone under 1 million SP can have unlimited respecs. Noobs would flit all over the place and there'd be shed-loads of FOTM going on at low levels but it wouldn't last long because even if you only count passive SP (without boosters), you hit 1 million SP within 21 days. If you're actually playing and hit your cap (with boosters) you'd get there in about a week. I think this would give beta noobs a chance to figure stuff out until there are tutorials/guides/more info or whatever else is brought in to make starting up easier.

I see where you're coming from and while I still think respecs are a bad idea in general, I would be willing to posit a temporary compromise and say anyone under 1 million SP can have unlimited respecs. Noobs would flit all over the place and there'd be shed-loads of FOTM going on at low levels but it wouldn't last long because even if you only count passive SP (without boosters), you hit 1 million SP within 21 days. If you're actually playing and hit your cap (with boosters) you'd get there in about a week. I think this would give beta noobs a chance to figure stuff out until there are tutorials/guides/more info or whatever else is brought in to make starting up easier.

But that's the thing... if a respec is only for small amount of SP (either not a full respec or only respec when below a total amount of SP) they aren't really needed because it doesn't take all that long to get that amount of SP again and this time put it where you want it. Have you then "lost" the misplaced SP? No, the skills are still there, you might even end up using them one day... We have militia gear to try out play styles we are not skilled for. To allow people to find their niche I think it would be better to focus on that approach. For instance, put up fully-fitted militia suits for specific roles and promote them to new players. This will allow people to try different things and see what they like in an easy way.

But that's the thing... if a respec is only for small amount of SP (either not a full respec or only respec when below a total amount of SP) they aren't really needed because it doesn't take all that long to get that amount of SP again and this time put it where you want it. Have you then "lost" the misplaced SP? No, the skills are still there, you might even end up using them one day... We have militia gear to try out play styles we are not skilled for. To allow people to find their niche I think it would be better to focus on that approach. For instance, put up fully-fitted militia suits for specific roles and promote them to new players. This will allow people to try different things and see what they like in an easy way.

Not a bad suggestion. But that does take the fun out of playing around with it doesn't it? And preset freebie gear we have. But it gets stomped on. SPing properly into those fits while you test them out would help.

you could give a 10 skill reset capability in the skills section, would give a bit more variability, without going too far off in the "i wanna try prototype dropships today" direction, give the guy a chance, i for one, would love to get rid of my nova knives/shotgun operation lv4's tyvm

I like that idea. I suspect you'll rack up a few more likes for it too. Even some of the naysayers might admit they'd like to have a couple in the bank. Though they'd probably say 10 is too many. 5 maybe?

Skill resets are not needed and skill books can be kept forver and you can eventually learn that skill.

Reason: You have a bunch of Free BPC for all the base classes. Militia Gear is super cheap and requires no skills. I actually think the Militia gear and free BPCs are overpowered and game breaking. Oh hey, I get a free Car whenever I feel like ? Awesome. I can save up for a few rounds and then get like 6 basic tanks? Awesome.

If they remove the BPCs and Militia gear, then yes I would agree skill resets are needed.


[Edit]: And any skills that really are bad, can be balanced later. Thats why we are in Beta

.... Militia gear doesn't exist for all items in the game and so your argument for that is invalid. Either we get more militia fits or we can get some form of reset to try out some new stuff....