Good for you.



Very astute. I'm sorry my post was a bit long-winded for you.
A short attention span is a terrible thing, and you clearly understand this.

Alright, at least you agree that scouts are broke

Damn dude, that's harsh. The devs DO provide a weekly post stating what they have reviewed... although more meat and potatoes would be nice, so to speak.

I'm working (not playing) as a logi sniper now, simply because it fills the role of a sniper better for me. I can fit a proto-rifle, gauged uplinks, gauged nanohives, triple dmg mods, some nades, and an armor repper... I can set myself and a fellow sniper up on separate perches with just my equipment alone, and STILL provide multiple spawn points and support for my crew.

Everything I salivated for with the proto-scout vk1, im getting right now (and more) on a logi A-series. Im not a sniper that will find myself in the thick-of-things, so i don't require scout speed.
The scout suit is simply **** useless for my gameplay style compared to what you can get out of a logi currently.

Scouts can't get totally scan invisible, since all anyone has to do is scan or wave their crosshairs across the map to find snipers (instead of finding them visually), so they immediately fail at the "stealth" thing in that regard.
The ONLY thing that can redeem the scout suit is the cloaking device... but if every other suit is going to get it too, AND every other suit has higher cpu/pg capacity... then again the scout suit would be rendered useless by comparison. I would simply install the cloak on my logi sniper.

Only the scout should have the cloaking device, and a GOOD cloaking device. No other class would suffer a penalty if discovered through cloak like a scout would.
Discover a cloaked shield tanked assault? Oh well, Duvolle to face.
Discover a cloaked heavy? Bless you, you just found Predator. HMG to face.
Discover a cloaked logi? *Zelda item acquisition theme* Free heals! Come again real soon! OR [weapon of your choice] to face.

Discover a cloaked scout? With little to no defensive capacity he's finished. His survivability depends on not being found.

The scout needs more cpu/pg capacity, OR it's primary weapon [the sniper rifle] needs to have cpu/pg requirements reduced... and it needs to get the cloaking device exclusively.

...and everything else the OP listed.

I'm not entirely sure what the point of your sarcasm was, but I now see that my point may have been somewhat unclear.

Buffing the sniper rifle won't boost/fix scouts because:

1. Most (?) snipers wear some other suit anyway, meaning it also boosts those suits.
2. It will do nothing to boost/fix the suit for everyone not using it for sniping.

Since I mainly use other weapons I believe you're wrong to say that sniper is its primary. You stated your belief/opinion on the matter but presented it as a fact, it's not.

EDIT: If scouts are to be fixed or boosted, changes need to be made to the *suit*.

The presets issued when you first make a character, are just that, presets indicating a role to be played. Scout suits were meant to snipe with. Assaults were meant to run-and-gun. Logis were meant to fix things. Heavies were meant to face enemy vehicles. These are facts, not my opinion. They are called Arbiters, Enforcers, Artificers, and Dire Sentinels, respectively.

Just because you are allowed to take one suit and put it into a different role, does not mean that the suit does not have a predetermined role that it was designed for.

And you are quite wrong on your first point:
1. If i could fit everything I needed on my scout suit, I would not use the logi suit, this is true for other snipers, but not all snipers, as well.

I have no comment on the second.

Just because you are quite content with your fitting, does not change the fact that other people have concerns with the suit's balance.

Whoa whoa whoa. You can't design a suit around a single weapon. You certainly can't continue to think that way either. I mean heavies are better suited for sniping because a sniper gives their position away anyways so stealth isn't a factor. But they like to think that it is so they threw the scout a "weapon of choice" although it's completely not suited for scouts at the moment and probably wouldn't in the future.

No suit is meant to be something, it's just that their set up may favor roles over others. Artificers start with a remote repair tool, so they must not be supposed to equip nanites, hives, uplinks, and remote explosives right?

stuff...

Sorry, should have mentioned; I agree scouts could use a little tweaking. I also didn't disagree with most of what you said, only the suggestion that the suit could be fixed by tuning a weapon (which, admittedly, was a side-note at the end of your post, but anyway ;)), wouldn't want CCP to do that on a whim and call the suit fixed ;).

On-topic: I really think a cloaking device for the scout suit would make it more useful overall vs. other scout suits.
There was another thread where someone had some excellent ideas, well thought-out ideas for cloaking.

Just for reference, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60694

What would your feelings be if CCP added an innate bonus to fitting a cloaking module on the scout dropsuit?
Would that leave the problem solved, mitigated, or unchanged?

Cheers,
Cross

Blah, cloaks aren't savior modules which are gonna make entire class usable. Or are you willing to force every single scout suit user to fit one?
Especially as cloak module, if there's ever gonna be one, is expected to have a major handicap as well.

Well cloaks are all nice but that's not going to solve the suit. Just because it can have cloaking or whatever doesn't mean that someone is going to use it, so cloaking becomes a limiting factor making it a broken suit for those who want to use it in other ways, destroying in essence Sandbox.

Ok, There are many valid points in this thread but the scout suit is good if you use it right. If you spec into scanning skills you can see through walls and slip around rather unnoticed.

I've also seen no mention of the type-2 scout suit. It has two equipment slots so you can repair and revive a heavy while using your great scan stats to spot targets for them, while having a fast shotgunner to flank targets while your newly revived and full health heavy keeps them busy.

buff the shields is all i want.

I'm not saying you can't be effective with it, but number crunching and my experience says that if I was to go head to head in combat with myself, one as an assault suit one as a Scout (let's just say I'm just as good in both suits) the Assault would win hands down every match.

They actually have amazing shield regen

So when scouts get cloaking, how many will QQ because they can't fire while cloaked? How many will QQ when their cloak drops, or becomes ineffective of someone gets within two meters of them? How many will QQ when they miss shots because of the firing delay of dropping cloak?

Of course we don't know how cloaking is actually going to work, but if Eve is any indication, the above will be very likely.