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Talos Alomar
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Posted - 2013.03.04 05:08:00 -
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Ok, There are many valid points in this thread but the scout suit is good if you use it right. If you spec into scanning skills you can see through walls and slip around rather unnoticed.
I've also seen no mention of the type-2 scout suit. It has two equipment slots so you can repair and revive a heavy while using your great scan stats to spot targets for them, while having a fast shotgunner to flank targets while your newly revived and full health heavy keeps them busy.
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Posted - 2013.03.06 02:21:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:Ok, There are many valid points in this thread but the scout suit is good if you use it right. If you spec into scanning skills you can see through walls and slip around rather unnoticed.
I've also seen no mention of the type-2 scout suit. It has two equipment slots so you can repair and revive a heavy while using your great scan stats to spot targets for them, while having a fast shotgunner to flank targets while your newly revived and full health heavy keeps them busy.
I'm not saying you can't be effective with it, but number crunching and my experience says that if I was to go head to head in combat with myself, one as an assault suit one as a Scout (let's just say I'm just as good in both suits) the Assault would win hands down every match.
I've found that too, kinda. If the alpha from my shottie doesn't drop people then I can be S.O.L.
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Posted - 2013.03.08 04:04:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:RHYTHMIK Designs wrote:
Sorry to tell you but scouts were meant for cloaking. Just read the suit description, its basically already built into the suits.
cloaking is bunk because the stealth mechanisms in this game don't even work good. A heavy can walk up behind a basic suit and go unnoticed...
Unless you've got a couple points into profile analysis and/or have a precision enhancer. Stealth and detection works just fine, you just have to invest a little bit into it.
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Posted - 2013.03.08 05:27:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:
Unless you've got a couple points into profile analysis and/or have a precision enhancer. Stealth and detection works just fine, you just have to invest a little bit into it.
I've yet to invest any SP into TACNET and scanners have only saved me once or twice. It's honestly not anything useful right now. Until they fix LoS vs Scanners then will it be worth it, but scanners kind of have wimpy range and even when I use them they don't pick up people sometimes...in heavy suits.
I have invested into it and I can tell ya that you get what you pay for. Scanners have saved me countless times.
Make an alt and dump all of your starter sp into scanner skills and a scout suit. Maybe you'll see what I'm talking about. |
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Posted - 2013.03.09 18:38:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:If a Heavy manages to "sneak up" on me when I'm playing Scout, it's because I screwed up. Elaborate on how it would be your fault?
You didn't check your six.
From what I've noticed about the way the radar system works your precision is at it's most precise at your crosshairs, and then the number that the game uses to check fail/pass for detect gets higher as it goes further away from that point, with only a limited amount of good scan precision extending out behind you. put points into the skill before you say it doesn't work.
Let's run some numbers on the heavy.
base scan profile = 65
req. dropsuit command for a heavy suit = 3, bonus -5% profile per level.
maximum actual base profile = 55.25. base profile analysis for assault/logi is 50. these numbers are close enough to stop the heavy from being too obvious on the battlefield.
but what happens when a heavy specs further into scanner skills/ dropsuit command? I'll roll dropsuit command and profile dampening into one group I'll refer to as "stealth" as they should be leveled in tandem to avoid hurting yourself short term with diminishing returns
stealth 3 = 55.25
stealth 4 = 52
stealth 5 = 48 (beating base precision of ass/logi)
stealth 6 = 45
stealth 7 = 42.25 (beating base scout.)
There you go. with rather minimal SP investment a heavy CAN win at the scanner game with a scout, let alone ass/logi
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Posted - 2013.03.09 19:42:00 -
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icdedppul wrote:
scan - have trouble picking up 6 guys on the other side of the hill but can spot through buildings across the map with a sniper rifle.. makes sense
As far as I can tell the sniper scope and the built in dropsuit scan are different beasts entirely. |
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Posted - 2013.03.13 15:02:00 -
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RINON114 wrote:
So what's your point in the context of this thread?
The point is that scouts are not front-line fighters, but they aren't without their uses. They have great scan stats, which have been used to great effect by people who have skilled into getting the most out of those stats. |
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Posted - 2013.03.15 06:06:00 -
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RINON114 wrote:Talos Alomar wrote:RINON114 wrote:
So what's your point in the context of this thread?
The point is that scouts are not front-line fighters, but they aren't without their uses. They have great scan stats, which have been used to great effect by people who have skilled into getting the most out of those stats. Ah, thank you for clarifying. In that case, isn't that cometely obvious? Meaning that nothing is wrong with the scout suit as long as you use it correctly?
Pretty much. I wouldn't say the scout suit is "broke", It's just not suited for the type of combat people use it for.
Lest of all it being pitted against geks with maxed sharpshooter and the broken complex damage mod stacked 3-4 deep, but that's another post. |
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