Requires a new build, matchmaking was something small CCP Nullarbor could deploy while he's in iceland.

After all its more network and crest related.

I agree but the thing is there is no reason for a corp to own a district now, and that my friend is the big white elephant in the room.

While the community is full of ideas what districts can and cannot do the problem is it does not exist on code yet.

It would not surprise me if there is a room with two boards and a camera/projector in the middile. One whole white board full of this idea right now in the CCP shanghai office and on the opposite side a project image of what CCP Iceland is up to on their own ideas. This is something they want to get right the first time long enough before having to revisit again.

While you may think its a simple brain storming session this is deep level impact stuff. As in several expansion impact stuff.
Warbarges? Who builds? Who flies? Who owns? Space Elevators? Why should I build a factory mercs build on the spot instead. PVE, PVP, War declarations, free form contracts, free fill contracts, merc ratings... the questions involved goes on and on and on, and it is such a massive feature that every answer to every question would almost require an entirely brand new feature to be developed from scratch and put together, tested, then deployed then observed as other systems come online.

A delayed update is better than a broken update.
Let CCP take their time.

Screw that, I'll take that when it's good and ready. For right now, they need to stop inflating peoples stats by placing full squads of skilled mercs against brand new newberries.

That is the priority right now, since it's driving away new and old players alike.

Lets get in faction warfare in first. Get it solid, and lets make it the test bed and spring board. FW would provide an excellent environment to set player owned districts up.

LOL
matchmaking is driving away everyone and that wont change no matter what u do
ppl signed up for meaningful battles not pub play

well yes i did make a feedback post a while ago about giving us player districts in FW.......

Who knows, hopefully the promised dev blog of 2 months old now will reveal to us what we're in for.

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Why is it almost a year into this beta you're still trying to balance PUBS. No one cares.

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oh moar pipe dreams that wont come into play till like 2015?!
how many things from those blogs are actually ingame? lol

LOL
matchmaking is driving away everyone and that wont change no matter what u do
ppl signed up for meaningful battles not pub play

You seem bitter enough for our corp, wanna join?

Just a friendly reminder that one guy working on matchmaking tweaks doesn't mean we don't have others working on other projects. DUST 514 is a big game with lots of teams working on it. And with certain things, adding more developers to work on it simply won't make it go faster but will rather slow it down. CCP Nullabor's matchmaking tweaks don't interfere with introducing more game modes and the like.

Just a friendly reminder that one guy working on matchmaking tweaks doesn't mean we don't have others working on other projects. DUST 514 is a big game with lots of teams working on it. And with certain things, adding more developers to work on it simply won't make it go faster but will rather slow it down. CCP Nullabor's matchmaking tweaks don't interfere with introducing more game modes and the like.

Mavado V Noriega

quit dust now.

Im getting very tiered of seeing posts like this, i can only imagine how people like CCP Eterne feel when people post this kind of stuff. I think its a very good thing that they are taking the time to fix issues that are present in the game.
When other shooters launch they have very few fixes, alot of them dont fix any of the bugs, only release a few maps maybe 1 weapon and MAYBE a new game type. They even launch them before they have fixed alot of the bugs and then rake in the money leaving us with shattered dreams and broken promises.

Now, a company called CCP is taking its time and really making a game and thinking through step by step to try and avoid those broken promises. Further more they made it a free to play game.....Not only that but they love hearing peoples ideas and want to use player driven ideas on this very forum to make this game the best game ever.
And what do you do?
"CCP hurry up ive waited like a whole year while your testing this game and you havent given me exactly what i want WWAAAHHHh"
"I played COD so i know when you should have all of this stuff out!"
"CCP why are you taking time to make this game good?! I WANT IT NOW"
"Pub games suck so give us some like planet warefare stuff NOW"
"CCP you said we would have all this but ive been waiting for a year now and i feel ENTITLED to have all of it NOW!"
"Ive been following this game for a year so you have to listen to me cause I am entitled to this FREE TO PLAY GAME cause im a "veteran" and that makes me more important."

You sir are the reason we cant have nice things.

All you do is whine and complain when they are trying to test this game and build on a good base before moving on to even more challenging things.
DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT BETA MEANS FUKTARD?!
It means they are TESTING THE GAME! it means they want to work out the kinks before they launch the game.
We as beta players have a responsiblity to the dev's, CCP, and ourselves to give FEEDBACK and help them to work out problems because they are STILL TESTING THE GAME. We are suppose to be helping but instead CCP Eterne had to take time out of his day to tell you what you should already know!
If you cant handle a little waiting for them to do their job, which is making very complex player driven games with stories to tell from every player, then please PLEASE go back to other shooters, your wasting CCP's time with these useless rants about NOTHING not one little bit of helpful feedback, your wasting my time, and your wasting time for people on the forums to give good intelligent feedback.
so please if your not gonna HTFU then GTFO

im not gonna go into how long ive been watching dust and how that makes me more entitled. This thread helps nothing. OP needs to HTFU

Keep your expectations low and you won't be disappointed.

Personally Im just getting my weekly sp and doing other stuff, one day i'll log in and be pleasantly surprised with something new and worth playing for, how people find the drive to stay in the top 10 is completely beyond me.

You're obviously new.

You've bee watching DUST while a few of us have been playing it since last year, and have given CCP the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this game time and time again. Some of us are at the point where this is just ridiculous, and the lack of features is a bit alarming.

Mavado V Noriega

quit dust now.

Im getting very tiered of seeing posts like this, i can only imagine how people like CCP Eterne feel when people post this kind of stuff. I think its a very good thing that they are taking the time to fix issues that are present in the game.
When other shooters launch they have very few fixes, alot of them dont fix any of the bugs, only release a few maps maybe 1 weapon and MAYBE a new game type. They even launch them before they have fixed alot of the bugs and then rake in the money leaving us with shattered dreams and broken promises.

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I have been playing dust and eve for a while now thank you. And people have been playing eve for over 10 years. Dont pretend you or the OP have a monopoly on wait time. If you dont like being part of the test crew for this amazing game, and if you dont like waiting, then dont help us test it anymore

Take a look at what eve was when they first started........look at it today. nuff said

Screw that, I'll take that when it's good and ready. For right now, they need to stop inflating peoples stats by placing full squads of skilled mercs against brand new newberries.

That is the priority right now, since it's driving away new and old players alike.

Do you know what we had last December (2012)?

A better version of Skirmish (Dubbed Skirmish 1.0, think of it like rush in battlefield but at the end is the hacking objectives we have now) Two less guns, slightly different dropship controls, no mouse/keyboard or move support, 6 or so less module variants, and two less maps.

Mavado V Noriega

quit dust now.

Im getting very tiered of seeing posts like this, i can only imagine how people like CCP Eterne feel when people post this kind of stuff. I think its a very good thing that they are taking the time to fix issues that are present in the game.
When other shooters launch they have very few fixes, alot of them dont fix any of the bugs, only release a few maps maybe 1 weapon and MAYBE a new game type. They even launch them before they have fixed alot of the bugs and then rake in the money leaving us with shattered dreams and broken promises.

Long post, so cutting it here

Mavado V Noriega

quit dust now.

Im getting very tiered of seeing posts like this, i can only imagine how people like CCP Eterne feel when people post this kind of stuff. I think its a very good thing that they are taking the time to fix issues that are present in the game.
When other shooters launch they have very few fixes, alot of them dont fix any of the bugs, only release a few maps maybe 1 weapon and MAYBE a new game type. They even launch them before they have fixed alot of the bugs and then rake in the money leaving us with shattered dreams and broken promises.

Now, a company called CCP is taking its time and really making a game and thinking through step by step to try and avoid those broken promises. Further more they made it a free to play game.....Not only that but they love hearing peoples ideas and want to use player driven ideas on this very forum to make this game the best game ever.
And what do you do?
"CCP hurry up ive waited like a whole year while your testing this game and you havent given me exactly what i want WWAAAHHHh"
"I played COD so i know when you should have all of this stuff out!"
"CCP why are you taking time to make this game good?! I WANT IT NOW"
"Pub games suck so give us some like planet warefare stuff NOW"
"CCP you said we would have all this but ive been waiting for a year now and i feel ENTITLED to have all of it NOW!"
"Ive been following this game for a year so you have to listen to me cause I am entitled to this FREE TO PLAY GAME cause im a "veteran" and that makes me more important."

You sir are the reason we cant have nice things.

All you do is whine and complain when they are trying to test this game and build on a good base before moving on to even more challenging things.
DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT BETA MEANS FUKTARD?!
It means they are TESTING THE GAME! it means they want to work out the kinks before they launch the game.
We as beta players have a responsiblity to the dev's, CCP, and ourselves to give FEEDBACK and help them to work out problems because they are STILL TESTING THE GAME. We are suppose to be helping but instead CCP Eterne had to take time out of his day to tell you what you should already know!
If you cant handle a little waiting for them to do their job, which is making very complex player driven games with stories to tell from every player, then please PLEASE go back to other shooters, your wasting CCP's time with these useless rants about NOTHING not one little bit of helpful feedback, your wasting my time, and your wasting time for people on the forums to give good intelligent feedback.
so please if your not gonna HTFU then GTFO

I can see all your points. Sorry for getting a little heated but there are simply too many threads on this forum where people only ask CCP to hurry up.

@ Nova knife
"I don't care who you are. You honestly cannot tell me that what we have now is reasonable progress for more than an entire year of work. Mavado is entirely justified in his sentiments in the OP."

I believe this is exactly why they say its in beta.....

"Assuming anyone displeased with the current state of the beta is 'self entitled' is horribly ignorant and incorrect."
True, to a point. However like i said in my OP, if you cant take waiting and are really that impatient dont rant about how it would be more convenient for you to have it now. I dont see how you think that telling them to hurry up is helping them....

"your smug, self-superior assumptions about others elsewhere, and actually take a good long hard look at the game?"
never been called smug before. As for self superior...dude, were all dusters. The only reasons i hate posts like this is that what does it really do? OK we got it hurry up, ive seen probably one or two good replies in this thread that actually address this issue in a way that might actually help the CCP team with their development. I look at the game everyday and i see possibilities, my head spins with all the new ideas that could come from this game. I see how pretty my dropship looks and how CCP has fixed some of the mechanics that made them ineffective. I see my corp growing and myself meeting new people form around the world. I see a game that has changed the game for FPS and given it meaning. I cant go back to cod or halo, they simply dont have any meaning, they are just arcade shooters. and i think thats why you wont go back either, games just too deep and interesting. And i get why you want more content NOW, but guys, really, they just merged two MMO's into one massive constantly evolving galaxy, and you say they have made hardly any progress...

@Raven Tesio

"I would also suggest you learn about the games industry pretty damn quick instead of firmly planting your lips on CCPs posterior ... the game is now Public, the ONLY reason they are calling it a Beta still and getting away with it is people like you"

"Is the game ready for the public or to be Live? **** NO, and I personally wouldn't have an issue with it being called a Beta IF they were not already charging players AND have linked it to systems within the Live Tranquility Server."

"Right now DUST just isn't enjoyable to play, it feel so akward, cumbersome and overly complicated."

All of these are why i think they still have it in beta....
They are not "charging" players. This is a F2P, if you want to buy some aur to support CCP then im sure they would appreciate.
Have you concidered that maybe they are spending more time on diving down into the muck to tackle the issues your concerned about? How maybe they ARE trying to avoid the same mistakes by taking slow and really working on its core? Hey i could be wrong, CSM dust minutes arent out so who knows!
They are going into uncharted waters, to my knowledge CCP hasnt made any MMOFPS till dust. So their NOOB's, i think you can agree that EVE online is still a higher quality game than most games on the market. This doesnt mean that we should shoot them down for trying to take a over franchised game type and turn it in to something new and exciting. I cant, i simply cant understand how you "fanboys" think that this is easy to pull off, that you can expect them to meet every deadline and that it wont require alot of testing and trial and error. Do you think you can bring absolute order to chaos theory? Do you think that you could predict what an openworld sandbox will evolve into and be two steps ahead of it? Do you think this is easy? If not then why ask for the rush? Why not let them work slowly with it and let it evolve so they can actually fix mistakes? **** CCP is human!

Personally i like my missles, though i have not been playing as long as you, I dont have as much knowledge about FW or even null sec as you. Though i can say that from the break i took to when i came back i did see a large list of new changes. These things take time. Besides, a subscription MMO that you can use in game money to make free? and a free to play game? i need to look into how much money these guys get paid. Nova, Raven, if you ever want to squad up and talk about this in dust i would not mind, i think you both have good knowledge and i would like to discuss this issue with you, peacefully of course!

You're obviously new.

Almost a year now... and they're STILL focusing on pubs.

Please, don't even try and make excuses for CCP.

oh moar pipe dreams that wont come into play till like 2015?!
how many things from those blogs are actually ingame? lol

I fully agree with the original poster. The game really needs faction battling and corp owed, created and contested districts. This is CCP, the birthers of Eve. The heart and soul of this universe is the depth and control players have over the story and the universe. I have full trust and faith that Dust will constantly move towards all that was proposed to players and more. Have faith, they're pros.

Mavado V Noriega

quit dust now.

Im getting very tiered of seeing posts like this, i can only imagine how people like CCP Eterne feel when people post this kind of stuff. I think its a very good thing that they are taking the time to fix issues that are present in the game.
When other shooters launch they have very few fixes, alot of them dont fix any of the bugs, only release a few maps maybe 1 weapon and MAYBE a new game type. They even launch them before they have fixed alot of the bugs and then rake in the money leaving us with shattered dreams and broken promises.

Now, a company called CCP is taking its time and really making a game and thinking through step by step to try and avoid those broken promises. Further more they made it a free to play game.....Not only that but they love hearing peoples ideas and want to use player driven ideas on this very forum to make this game the best game ever.
And what do you do?
"CCP hurry up ive waited like a whole year while your testing this game and you havent given me exactly what i want WWAAAHHHh"
"I played COD so i know when you should have all of this stuff out!"
"CCP why are you taking time to make this game good?! I WANT IT NOW"
"Pub games suck so give us some like planet warefare stuff NOW"
"CCP you said we would have all this but ive been waiting for a year now and i feel ENTITLED to have all of it NOW!"
"Ive been following this game for a year so you have to listen to me cause I am entitled to this FREE TO PLAY GAME cause im a "veteran" and that makes me more important."

You sir are the reason we cant have nice things.

All you do is whine and complain when they are trying to test this game and build on a good base before moving on to even more challenging things.
DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT BETA MEANS FUKTARD?!
It means they are TESTING THE GAME! it means they want to work out the kinks before they launch the game.
We as beta players have a responsiblity to the dev's, CCP, and ourselves to give FEEDBACK and help them to work out problems because they are STILL TESTING THE GAME. We are suppose to be helping but instead CCP Eterne had to take time out of his day to tell you what you should already know!
If you cant handle a little waiting for them to do their job, which is making very complex player driven games with stories to tell from every player, then please PLEASE go back to other shooters, your wasting CCP's time with these useless rants about NOTHING not one little bit of helpful feedback, your wasting my time, and your wasting time for people on the forums to give good intelligent feedback.
so please if your not gonna HTFU then GTFO

@ Numnutz

While Mavado does tend to complain, even if he's not eloquent about it, his complaints nearly always have merit.


Your post in the last page suggests Mavado is looking for instant gratification, and expects CCP to serve his every whim. This is untrue. Mavado is expressing his (rightful) distaste at the utter lack of progress and direction in a beta that has been running since December 2012.


I would be among the first to defend CCP if someone is complaining for the sake of it or their complaint has no merit, and try to help them see reason. But this is not one of those times. We're at a point in the beta where if people don't call CCP on their ****, nothing is going to change and that's going to be bad for Dust as a whole.


Assuming anyone displeased with the current state of the beta is 'self entitled' is horribly ignorant and incorrect. There is a massive difference between being able to look at the game objectively, and making entitled suggestions, and just being a fanboy unable to actually criticize. So, might I kindly suggest you take your smug, self-superior assumptions about others elsewhere, and actually take a good long hard look at the game?


Do you know what we had last December (2012)?

A better version of Skirmish (Dubbed Skirmish 1.0, think of it like rush in battlefield but at the end is the hacking objectives we have now) Two less guns, slightly different dropship controls, no mouse/keyboard or move support, 6 or so less module variants, and two less maps.


I don't care who you are. You honestly cannot tell me that what we have now is reasonable progress for more than an entire year of work. Mavado is entirely justified in his sentiments in the OP.

yeah, great advice. Everyone who sees what a broken piece of **** this beta currently is, and how little progress they've made in a year vs. how much they've promised, should just go play other games... Unfortunately, that would mean you'd be left with no one playing this game. Truth is, by the time they are done getting this game ready, they are going to have to dig themselves out of the grave they've already dug. Gamers, especially FPS gamers, have short attention spans, and there are many other games to play.

Why they decided to go open beta in this awful state and give the larger gaming community such a terrible first impression is absolutely beyond me, but they are running out of time to deliver something compelling before most people decide that CCP can't be trusted and become the new Peter Molyneux.

roo.. you are one of the whiners.

yes, its a Beta, so its going to have broken things, would you kindly not be upset with the fact its still a beta?

yes, many FPS shooters are kids with ADHD and no attention span, so we should probably let CCP just work and help them with feedback and bug notices, or it wont ever get fixed, do you get me?

if we all just keep bitching and whining and not being helpful, then there will be no progress, since the Devs have to dig through the whining to find productivity. i say, we stop playing the whining game, and help out CCP by giving decent feedback and less of this arguing

The "is it a beta or is it not a beta" is a matter of semantics, which seems to be getting a lot of people bent out of shape.
When a word means different things to various parties in a conversation, the way rational people communicate is to define their terms so the conversation is being had in the same language.

If some people think that "open beta" forbids the testing of core mechanics, while others do not, we're speaking different languages.

Let's taboo the word "beta" and it's synonyms and work with a different definition of this pre-release gameplay.

Is there anywhere that CCP has given us a description of what their intent with the open beta is or do we need to request this definition so people can stop raging about the game not meeting standards which may be based on a miscommunication.

The "is it a beta or is it not a beta" is a matter of semantics, which seems to be getting a lot of people bent out of shape.
When a word means different things to various parties in a conversation, the way rational people communicate is to define their terms so the conversation is being had in the same language.

If some people think that "open beta" forbids the testing of core mechanics, while others do not, we're speaking different languages.

Let's taboo the word "beta" and it's synonyms and work with a different definition of this pre-release gameplay.

Is there anywhere that CCP has given us a description of what their intent with the open beta is or do we need to request this definition so people can stop raging about the game not meeting standards which may be based on a miscommunication.

@ Numnutz

While Mavado does tend to complain, even if he's not eloquent about it, his complaints nearly always have merit.


Your post in the last page suggests Mavado is looking for instant gratification, and expects CCP to serve his every whim. This is untrue. Mavado is expressing his (rightful) distaste at the utter lack of progress and direction in a beta that has been running since December 2012.


I would be among the first to defend CCP if someone is complaining for the sake of it or their complaint has no merit, and try to help them see reason. But this is not one of those times. We're at a point in the beta where if people don't call CCP on their ****, nothing is going to change and that's going to be bad for Dust as a whole.


Assuming anyone displeased with the current state of the beta is 'self entitled' is horribly ignorant and incorrect. There is a massive difference between being able to look at the game objectively, and making entitled suggestions, and just being a fanboy unable to actually criticize. So, might I kindly suggest you take your smug, self-superior assumptions about others elsewhere, and actually take a good long hard look at the game?


Do you know what we had last December (2012)?

A better version of Skirmish (Dubbed Skirmish 1.0, think of it like rush in battlefield but at the end is the hacking objectives we have now) Two less guns, slightly different dropship controls, no mouse/keyboard or move support, 6 or so less module variants, and two less maps.


I don't care who you are. You honestly cannot tell me that what we have now is reasonable progress for more than an entire year of work. Mavado is entirely justified in his sentiments in the OP.

I have been playing dust and eve for a while now thank you. And people have been playing eve for over 10 years. Dont pretend you or the OP have a monopoly on wait time. If you dont like being part of the test crew for this amazing game, and if you dont like waiting, then dont help us test it anymore

Take a look at what eve was when they first started........look at it today. nuff said