Mavado V Noriega

quit dust now.

Im getting very tiered of seeing posts like this, i can only imagine how people like CCP Eterne feel when people post this kind of stuff. I think its a very good thing that they are taking the time to fix issues that are present in the game.
When other shooters launch they have very few fixes, alot of them dont fix any of the bugs, only release a few maps maybe 1 weapon and MAYBE a new game type. They even launch them before they have fixed alot of the bugs and then rake in the money leaving us with shattered dreams and broken promises.

Now, a company called CCP is taking its time and really making a game and thinking through step by step to try and avoid those broken promises. Further more they made it a free to play game.....Not only that but they love hearing peoples ideas and want to use player driven ideas on this very forum to make this game the best game ever.
And what do you do?
"CCP hurry up ive waited like a whole year while your testing this game and you havent given me exactly what i want WWAAAHHHh"
"I played COD so i know when you should have all of this stuff out!"
"CCP why are you taking time to make this game good?! I WANT IT NOW"
"Pub games suck so give us some like planet warefare stuff NOW"
"CCP you said we would have all this but ive been waiting for a year now and i feel ENTITLED to have all of it NOW!"
"Ive been following this game for a year so you have to listen to me cause I am entitled to this FREE TO PLAY GAME cause im a "veteran" and that makes me more important."

You sir are the reason we cant have nice things.

All you do is whine and complain when they are trying to test this game and build on a good base before moving on to even more challenging things.
DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT BETA MEANS FUKTARD?!
It means they are TESTING THE GAME! it means they want to work out the kinks before they launch the game.
We as beta players have a responsiblity to the dev's, CCP, and ourselves to give FEEDBACK and help them to work out problems because they are STILL TESTING THE GAME. We are suppose to be helping but instead CCP Eterne had to take time out of his day to tell you what you should already know!
If you cant handle a little waiting for them to do their job, which is making very complex player driven games with stories to tell from every player, then please PLEASE go back to other shooters, your wasting CCP's time with these useless rants about NOTHING not one little bit of helpful feedback, your wasting my time, and your wasting time for people on the forums to give good intelligent feedback.
so please if your not gonna HTFU then GTFO

@ Numnutz

While Mavado does tend to complain, even if he's not eloquent about it, his complaints nearly always have merit.


Your post in the last page suggests Mavado is looking for instant gratification, and expects CCP to serve his every whim. This is untrue. Mavado is expressing his (rightful) distaste at the utter lack of progress and direction in a beta that has been running since December 2012.


I would be among the first to defend CCP if someone is complaining for the sake of it or their complaint has no merit, and try to help them see reason. But this is not one of those times. We're at a point in the beta where if people don't call CCP on their ****, nothing is going to change and that's going to be bad for Dust as a whole.


Assuming anyone displeased with the current state of the beta is 'self entitled' is horribly ignorant and incorrect. There is a massive difference between being able to look at the game objectively, and making entitled suggestions, and just being a fanboy unable to actually criticize. So, might I kindly suggest you take your smug, self-superior assumptions about others elsewhere, and actually take a good long hard look at the game?


Do you know what we had last December (2012)?

A better version of Skirmish (Dubbed Skirmish 1.0, think of it like rush in battlefield but at the end is the hacking objectives we have now) Two less guns, slightly different dropship controls, no mouse/keyboard or move support, 6 or so less module variants, and two less maps.


I don't care who you are. You honestly cannot tell me that what we have now is reasonable progress for more than an entire year of work. Mavado is entirely justified in his sentiments in the OP.

roo.. you are one of the whiners.

yes, its a Beta, so its going to have broken things, would you kindly not be upset with the fact its still a beta?

yes, many FPS shooters are kids with ADHD and no attention span, so we should probably let CCP just work and help them with feedback and bug notices, or it wont ever get fixed, do you get me?

if we all just keep bitching and whining and not being helpful, then there will be no progress, since the Devs have to dig through the whining to find productivity. i say, we stop playing the whining game, and help out CCP by giving decent feedback and less of this arguing

The "is it a beta or is it not a beta" is a matter of semantics, which seems to be getting a lot of people bent out of shape.
When a word means different things to various parties in a conversation, the way rational people communicate is to define their terms so the conversation is being had in the same language.

If some people think that "open beta" forbids the testing of core mechanics, while others do not, we're speaking different languages.

Let's taboo the word "beta" and it's synonyms and work with a different definition of this pre-release gameplay.

Is there anywhere that CCP has given us a description of what their intent with the open beta is or do we need to request this definition so people can stop raging about the game not meeting standards which may be based on a miscommunication.