DUST Search - Dear CCP, a growing concern from a "bitter beta vet"

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

I agree but the thing is there is no reason for a corp to own a district now, and that my friend is the big white elephant in the room.

While the community is full of ideas what districts can and cannot do the problem is it does not exist on code yet.

It would not surprise me if there is a room with two boards and a camera/projector in the middile. One whole white board full of this idea right now in the CCP shanghai office and on the opposite side a project image of what CCP Iceland is up to on their own ideas. This is something they want to get right the first time long enough before having to revisit again.

While you may think its a simple brain storming session this is deep level impact stuff. As in several expansion impact stuff.
Warbarges? Who builds? Who flies? Who owns? Space Elevators? Why should I build a factory mercs build on the spot instead. PVE, PVP, War declarations, free form contracts, free fill contracts, merc ratings... the questions involved goes on and on and on, and it is such a massive feature that every answer to every question would almost require an entirely brand new feature to be developed from scratch and put together, tested, then deployed then observed as other systems come online.

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Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:28:00 - [1] - Quote Please stop focusing your attention on bs matchmaking and other small stuff and put everything behind gettin Player districts out ASAP There is your balance. Any corp worth its weight will go to where glory and ISK is at and thus freeing up Instant Battle to casual weekend warrior corps, solo players, small grps and the serious players will migrate over to whats fun forget about trying to get your matchmaking to work exactly how u intend it to alot of the community and known corps honestly didnt sign up for DUST to pubstomp we came into DUST for the fact that territorial conquest was one of the selling points of the game. Having actual meaningful battles over territory and not just epeen stroking bs or consensual PvP. Why is it almost a year into this beta you're still trying to balance PUBS. No one cares. From what i hear next build wont have player owned districts but earliest the build after that. Also hearing that it might even be later like winter.......dafuq? I think its time u stop focusing so much on pub play and start delivering on the whole concept of meaningful battles and territorial conquest. Only so much patience the community will have and open beta clans wont stick around long if at all if they can only clan battle which tbh they can do on any other shooter, gotta start giving us the stuff that sets DUST apart from other shooters and start on that Soon and without the bs "TM"
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:29:00 - [2] - Quote Preach! I've been wanting to say these things myself for a while. But the troll in me is ADD and other threads keep derailing me.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:30:00 - [3] - Quote Requires a new build, matchmaking was something small CCP Nullarbor could deploy while he's in iceland. After all its more network and crest related.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:34:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Requires a new build, matchmaking was something small CCP Nullarbor could deploy while he's in iceland. After all its more network and crest related. yes i know it requires a new build but u urself hinted on IRC that player districts might not even come till WINTER that my friend is too long tbqh
aden slayer ZionTCD Legacy Rising 407	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:38:00 - [5] - Quote A delayed update is better than a broken update. Let CCP take their time.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:40:00 - [6] - Quote I agree but the thing is there is no reason for a corp to own a district now, and that my friend is the big white elephant in the room. While the community is full of ideas what districts can and cannot do the problem is it does not exist on code yet. It would not surprise me if there is a room with two boards and a camera/projector in the middile. One whole white board full of this idea right now in the CCP shanghai office and on the opposite side a project image of what CCP Iceland is up to on their own ideas. This is something they want to get right the first time long enough before having to revisit again. While you may think its a simple brain storming session this is deep level impact stuff. As in several expansion impact stuff. Warbarges? Who builds? Who flies? Who owns? Space Elevators? Why should I build a factory mercs build on the spot instead. PVE, PVP, War declarations, free form contracts, free fill contracts, merc ratings... the questions involved goes on and on and on, and it is such a massive feature that every answer to every question would almost require an entirely brand new feature to be developed from scratch and put together, tested, then deployed then observed as other systems come online.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1904	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:46:00 - [7] - Quote Screw that, I'll take that when it's good and ready. For right now, they need to stop inflating peoples stats by placing full squads of skilled mercs against brand new newberries. That is the priority right now, since it's driving away new and old players alike.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:50:00 - [8] - Quote Lets get in faction warfare in first. Get it solid, and lets make it the test bed and spring board. FW would provide an excellent environment to set player owned districts up.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:50:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I agree but the thing is there is no reason for a corp to own a district now, and that my friend is the big white elephant in the room. While the community is full of ideas what districts can and cannot do the problem is it does not exist on code yet. It would not surprise me if there is a room with two boards and a camera/projector in the middile. One whole white board full of this idea right now in the CCP shanghai office and on the opposite side a project image of what CCP Iceland is up to on their own ideas. This is something they want to get right the first time long enough before having to revisit again. While you may think its a simple brain storming session this is deep level impact stuff. As in several expansion impact stuff. Warbarges? Who builds? Who flies? Who owns? Space Elevators? Why should I build a factory mercs build on the spot instead. PVE, PVP, War declarations, free form contracts, free fill contracts, merc ratings... the questions involved goes on and on and on, and it is such a massive feature that every answer to every question would almost require an entirely brand new feature to be developed from scratch and put together, tested, then deployed then observed as other systems come online. i agree which brings me to my next point why was the beta in such ass condition when it launched in april last year? they spent almost a year just fixing the mess that was the original state of the beta to get it here now which TBQH is still pretty meh there is NO content in the beta atm to keep ppl hooked , only reason ppl are playing is to "keep up" and because others like myself still on the crack pipe hoping for the pipe dreams of all the promised concepts to actually start making its way into the beta. Seriously.........almost a year and no FW, corporations dust side are pretty poor, no dust side alliances, no weapon customization, still ONLY 2 game modes, broken dmg mods from like 3 builds ago.............. u srsly think this will hold ppls attention once the next big shooter drops ?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming 642	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:53:00 - [10] - Quote aden slayer wrote: A delayed update is better than a broken update. Let CCP take their time. Almost a year now... and they're STILL focusing on pubs. Please, don't even try and make excuses for CCP.

Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:07:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Screw that, I'll take that when it's good and ready. For right now, they need to stop inflating peoples stats by placing full squads of skilled mercs against brand new newberries. That is the priority right now, since it's driving away new and old players alike. LOL matchmaking is driving away everyone and that wont change no matter what u do ppl signed up for meaningful battles not pub play
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:09:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lets get in faction warfare in first. Get it solid, and lets make it the test bed and spring board. FW would provide an excellent environment to set player owned districts up. well yes i did make a feedback post a while ago about giving us player districts in FW.......
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:09:00 - [13] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Screw that, I'll take that when it's good and ready. For right now, they need to stop inflating peoples stats by placing full squads of skilled mercs against brand new newberries. That is the priority right now, since it's driving away new and old players alike. LOL matchmaking is driving away everyone and that wont change no matter what u do ppl signed up for meaningful battles not pub play ^ This
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:10:00 - [14] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lets get in faction warfare in first. Get it solid, and lets make it the test bed and spring board. FW would provide an excellent environment to set player owned districts up. well yes i did make a feedback post a while ago about giving us player districts in FW....... Who knows, hopefully the promised dev blog of 2 months old now will reveal to us what we're in for.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:11:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lets get in faction warfare in first. Get it solid, and lets make it the test bed and spring board. FW would provide an excellent environment to set player owned districts up. well yes i did make a feedback post a while ago about giving us player districts in FW....... Who knows, hopefully the promised dev blog of 2 months old now will reveal to us what we're in for. oh moar pipe dreams that wont come into play till like 2015?! how many things from those blogs are actually ingame? lol
Telcontar Dunedain Imperfects Negative-Feedback 328	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:13:00 - [16] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: ... Why is it almost a year into this beta you're still trying to balance PUBS. No one cares. ... ^
SquaggaTCT Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 39	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:14:00 - [17] - Quote I think that a lot of us are very interested in all parts of the game however yes the whole galactic conquest portion is the main reason why we came to this particular game. Once again to promote myself. I've started a thread about promenades, that I would like everyone to support. It would help us to start getting out of our merc quarters and into New Eden, so bigger doors could be opened to us
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:17:00 - [18] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Lets get in faction warfare in first. Get it solid, and lets make it the test bed and spring board. FW would provide an excellent environment to set player owned districts up. well yes i did make a feedback post a while ago about giving us player districts in FW....... Who knows, hopefully the promised dev blog of 2 months old now will reveal to us what we're in for. oh moar pipe dreams that wont come into play till like 2015?! how many things from those blogs are actually ingame? lol well... there is the salvage system... fitting system... suits and vehicles... missing electronic warfare though.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:01:00 - [19] - Quote From the secret archives: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=178466#post178466 I agree with the OP. I too am tired of fighting instant battles with a few different characters. I kind of feel like I am saving up to put my kids through college, or something. It is a huge investment for something that may or may not work out like we hope it will. I do feel like anything that could have been said about how to graft the introductory parts of the game onto the sandbox and integrated with EVE parts of the game has already been said and written about. For some reason CCP chose to go with a matchmaking algorithm and the instant battles thing. I have never really been a fan of instant battle. It seems cheap, and kind of pointless. I always assumed it was more of a placeholder for better things on the horizon. Matchmaking by algorithm could go either way. It could be innovative and successful or a complete disaster. But it doesn't really seem to match up with what I have heard about EVE, where the players make the decisions about where they will go and what they will do and who they will fight. Still wish them luck with the High sec matchmaking algorithm. Even though it seems like a crazy idea. And I can understand why they are reluctant to let us out of instant battles. And why they might be putting so much effort in trying to do what countless other games already do and do much better (give players accessible, easy to play modes with matchmaking) than Dust. That whole conquest thing is going to be deeply intertwined with EVE. They don't want to make any missteps that will f up the very successful game they already have on their hands. But hell, maybe it is time to try some of the other games that are out there and just let a couple characters collect some passive SP.
BL4CK FRIAR Defiant Kelkoons 17	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:01:00 - [20] - Quote The current game models are, by and large, boring and pointless. Corp battles are so innocuous in their gain to Eve's FW pilots and just beyond the scope of Dust players form a "whats in it for us" stand point that most people on both ends could hardly give a poop. Broken or not, the districts would be a very defined landmark of "this is what you do". CCP has deployed many a turd on its community and I am sorry but a turd that can be polished to a community that currently cares about this game, versus deploying a dimond to a community that only consists of fans after all the hype has moved on is a truely bad idea. This gaming community is very "look shiny" group of people and waiting to much longer for a build runs the risk of striking after the iron has cooled. CCP cannot go by their deployment model that they use for Eve, two deployments a year will spell doom for this game save for the fans of Eve. CCP needs to have atleast four builds a year.

Umbat Boki Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:16:00 - [21] - Quote I still think that matchmaking won't work in DUST. At least in the current form. You have more than one fitting and your performance differ with each fitting. Moreover you can change it during a match. I think we need several type of matches (one for each SS?) with different maximum ISK payout, restriction on squads and so on.
Evil-Stuffed-Animal Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 7	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:48:00 - [22] - Quote lol @ some of the pacifists in this thread. their optimism fills my entire soul with glee. i agree with movado one hunnid. ccp needs to start delivering the goods before people start blowing the dust off of some of the games that they had hoped to ... trade in. maybe they believe dust will have the shelf life that eve has. or that our (the gamer) patience is unlimited and we'll just sit back and wait for the 2015 final release date. i don't know about you guys but the allure of what this game could be is wearing very very thin. i'm just speaking for myself, honestly.
Moejoe Omnipotent Imperfects Negative-Feedback 242	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:51:00 - [23] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Screw that, I'll take that when it's good and ready. For right now, they need to stop inflating peoples stats by placing full squads of skilled mercs against brand new newberries. That is the priority right now, since it's driving away new and old players alike. LOL matchmaking is driving away everyone and that wont change no matter what u do ppl signed up for meaningful battles not pub play I signed up for pub play and I'm sure 99% of people who find this on the PS Store do as well.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2013.02.18 06:59:00 - [24] - Quote Pub play is the backbone of the game. Refining it allows players to get better.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:04:00 - [25] - Quote I agree with better pub play, but I want the rabbit hole to suck them in.
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 712	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:06:00 - [26] - Quote I agree with op, faction warfare!
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2013.02.18 07:20:00 - [27] - Quote You seem bitter enough for our corp, wanna join?
Kleanur Guy SyNergy Gaming 154	Posted - 2013.02.18 10:34:00 - [28] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: You seem bitter enough for our corp, wanna join? What? No epeen or anything but haven't you heard of SyNergy Gaming :P.

CCP Eterne C C P C C P Alliance 759	Posted - 2013.02.18 10:44:00 - [29] - Quote Just a friendly reminder that one guy working on matchmaking tweaks doesn't mean we don't have others working on other projects. DUST 514 is a big game with lots of teams working on it. And with certain things, adding more developers to work on it simply won't make it go faster but will rather slow it down. CCP Nullabor's matchmaking tweaks don't interfere with introducing more game modes and the like.

XXfootnoteXX ZionTCD Legacy Rising 76	Posted - 2013.02.18 10:50:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Just a friendly reminder that one guy working on matchmaking tweaks doesn't mean we don't have others working on other projects. DUST 514 is a big game with lots of teams working on it. And with certain things, adding more developers to work on it simply won't make it go faster but will rather slow it down. CCP Nullabor's matchmaking tweaks don't interfere with introducing more game modes and the like. Dont you know? This is New Eden!!! Get your logic outta hear. This isn't what we want to hear so it clearly cant be true! Griefer! :D



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