DUST Search - Dear CCP, a growing concern from a "bitter beta vet"

Nova Knife wrote:

@ Numnutz

While Mavado does tend to complain, even if he's not eloquent about it, his complaints nearly always have merit.

Your post in the last page suggests Mavado is looking for instant gratification, and expects CCP to serve his every whim. This is untrue. Mavado is expressing his (rightful) distaste at the utter lack of progress and direction in a beta that has been running since December 2012.

I would be among the first to defend CCP if someone is complaining for the sake of it or their complaint has no merit, and try to help them see reason. But this is not one of those times. We're at a point in the beta where if people don't call CCP on their ****, nothing is going to change and that's going to be bad for Dust as a whole.

Assuming anyone displeased with the current state of the beta is 'self entitled' is horribly ignorant and incorrect. There is a massive difference between being able to look at the game objectively, and making entitled suggestions, and just being a fanboy unable to actually criticize. So, might I kindly suggest you take your smug, self-superior assumptions about others elsewhere, and actually take a good long hard look at the game?

Do you know what we had last December (2012)?

A better version of Skirmish (Dubbed Skirmish 1.0, think of it like rush in battlefield but at the end is the hacking objectives we have now) Two less guns, slightly different dropship controls, no mouse/keyboard or move support, 6 or so less module variants, and two less maps.

I don't care who you are. You honestly cannot tell me that what we have now is reasonable progress for more than an entire year of work. Mavado is entirely justified in his sentiments in the OP.

Pages: 1 2 [3] :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 1 post(s)
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.02.18 23:12:00 - [61] - Quote Rachoi wrote: roo.. you are one of the whiners. yes, its a Beta, so its going to have broken things, would you kindly not be upset with the fact its still a beta? No, I will not. The problem is that players are losing faith in CCP and their ability to follow through with what they are promising. I get that it's still a beta, i even believe "beta" in and of itself is a reasonable response to SOME complaints. However, the game has been released to everyone and there are no more skill resets. For all intents an purposes, whether they like it or not, the game will be viewed by most as "the game" at this point. We can go back and forth all day over how right or wrong such judgements are, but it doesn't change the reality of the sitaution. Furthermore, the absolutely TINY amount of progress that they've made in the year, while simultaneously promising more and more and more and more and more content without delivering almost ANY of it is troublesome. You can only cry wolf for so long before people stop believing you. Rachoi wrote: yes, many FPS shooters are kids with ADHD and no attention span, so we should probably let CCP just work and help them with feedback and bug notices, or it wont ever get fixed, do you get me? And the basic thrust in this thread is that most of the people who have actually been here for a substantial period of time are losing faith that it will every GET fixed. That's not to say that it won't, but it's a call out to CCP to get their ** together and start MANAGING EXPECTATIONS better. Their communication is so poor, it's impossible to figure out if we will be getting proper FW next week, or in 3 years. All CCP seems to do is talk endlessly about what they WISH this game they were building actually was, and then saying "SOON". Well, if they don't start telling folks what definitively will be in the game, and at least a rough time schedule of WHEN those things will be there, people are just going to stop believing that we will ever see those things at all. I used to be like you, I used to make the arguments you are making, then another 6 months had passed, there were more promises than ever, and almost no more content than we had 6 months prior. The whole point here is that CCP needs to either start delivering, or stop making promises that they don't, can't, won't keep. Rachoi wrote: if we all just keep bitching and whining and not being helpful, then there will be no progress, since the Devs have to dig through the whining to find productivity. i say, we stop playing the whining game, and help out CCP by giving decent feedback and less of this arguing I say, go ahead and continue wasting your breath. I'd rather call'em like I see'em, and what I see is a company that is in WAY over it's head but continues on ahead as if their product is an entirely different one than what they are actually presenting to the public. That doesn't mean that's what is actually happening, but IMO that is the perception that they are giving off to the gaming world, and if they don't get it under control they are gonna be **** before they ever "release" the game (ie: remove the "beta" tag from the title screen).
SSBBW Amber Church of the Unforgiven 26	Posted - 2013.02.18 23:28:00 - [62] - Quote Next step...... There could be a riot like we had in EvE a few years ago....lol.... No but seriously, I can understand the "Core Mechanics" argument. However, CCP DUST should be doing things the way CCP EvE does. Listen, if they want Core Mechanics tested and looked at, it would help if we knew what they view those mechanics to be. At least in EvE we have SiSi to test things on, but since we are in a beta, on a live server that will not result in anymore wipes, which implies "open beta" is actually "Live"; then perhaps CCP DUST should be telling us what they want us to test specifically. But I can also see the arguments that DUST has been in beta for a year or so now and the current gameplay is repetitive and players are ready to start testing new stuff. Listen, if the testing of core mechanics a few new features is worth a year of testing, then what does that say for other features and how long it will take to test them? One could argue DUST has a ten year plan because thats how long they expect the "open beta" to last. No player, simply none with a reasonable knowledge of beta testing or people who are looking for a feature rich game would be expecting to still be testing "core mechanics" in an "open beta" I have done beta and on almost every triple A MMO released since 1995 and none have ever gone into beta with "core mechanics" being the focus of the testing. Beta is not for testing "core mechanics" it is for testing new features and TWEAKING core mechanics. Open beta is very much not for testing "core mechanics", open betas happen when there is only a few weeks or perhaps a month of real testing to be gained, with most features being implemented and core mechanics having very few bugs left to them. CCP is rewriting or attempting to rewrite the book on what a beta and its various incarnations is. Fact is, if we are suppose to be focusing on the core of the game, then we shouldn't be in open beta. Oh and if CCP was so concerned about the core of the game, then why is it that last week or the week before we got new drops to buy in the store, but no word on any new tweaks or changes to the core mechanics? If they don't have time to implement new features and they are worried about the core mechanics, then they certainly don't have time for new stuff to sell.
Mithridates VI New Eden Research Foundation 169	Posted - 2013.02.18 23:36:00 - [63] - Quote The "is it a beta or is it not a beta" is a matter of semantics, which seems to be getting a lot of people bent out of shape. When a word means different things to various parties in a conversation, the way rational people communicate is to define their terms so the conversation is being had in the same language. If some people think that "open beta" forbids the testing of core mechanics, while others do not, we're speaking different languages. Let's taboo the word "beta" and it's synonyms and work with a different definition of this pre-release gameplay. Is there anywhere that CCP has given us a description of what their intent with the open beta is or do we need to request this definition so people can stop raging about the game not meeting standards which may be based on a miscommunication.
Devils - Spawn Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.02.18 23:55:00 - [64] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: The "is it a beta or is it not a beta" is a matter of semantics, which seems to be getting a lot of people bent out of shape. When a word means different things to various parties in a conversation, the way rational people communicate is to define their terms so the conversation is being had in the same language. If some people think that "open beta" forbids the testing of core mechanics, while others do not, we're speaking different languages. Let's taboo the word "beta" and it's synonyms and work with a different definition of this pre-release gameplay. Is there anywhere that CCP has given us a description of what their intent with the open beta is or do we need to request this definition so people can stop raging about the game not meeting standards which may be based on a miscommunication. They dont think that it forbids it in anyway they just assume that with the game being out testing for a year that core mechanics would have been aleast figured out 6 months after test release. I dont think dates would be good cuz there was a date for dec 2012 that wasnt made and the rage there was alot worse to making dates and not making them would just make things worse.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2013.02.19 00:44:00 - [65] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: The "is it a beta or is it not a beta" is a matter of semantics, which seems to be getting a lot of people bent out of shape. When a word means different things to various parties in a conversation, the way rational people communicate is to define their terms so the conversation is being had in the same language. If some people think that "open beta" forbids the testing of core mechanics, while others do not, we're speaking different languages. Let's taboo the word "beta" and it's synonyms and work with a different definition of this pre-release gameplay. Is there anywhere that CCP has given us a description of what their intent with the open beta is or do we need to request this definition so people can stop raging about the game not meeting standards which may be based on a miscommunication. We've been requesting this definition for the better part of the year. That's the whole point. They (CCP) just constantly speculate and daydream out loud about what Dust 514 is going to be "SOON" but we never see any of it materialize. Well, at best we see a TINY portion of it materialize. It just seems their vision just keeps outpacing their ability to implement, and thus the gap between reality and vision just gets wider wider every time they give an interview.
CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.02.19 21:25:00 - [66] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: @ Numnutz While Mavado does tend to complain, even if he's not eloquent about it, his complaints nearly always have merit. Your post in the last page suggests Mavado is looking for instant gratification, and expects CCP to serve his every whim. This is untrue. Mavado is expressing his (rightful) distaste at the utter lack of progress and direction in a beta that has been running since December 2012. I would be among the first to defend CCP if someone is complaining for the sake of it or their complaint has no merit, and try to help them see reason. But this is not one of those times. We're at a point in the beta where if people don't call CCP on their **, nothing is going to change and that's going to be bad for Dust as a whole. Assuming anyone displeased with the current state of the beta is 'self entitled' is horribly ignorant and incorrect. There is a massive difference between being able to look at the game objectively, and making entitled suggestions, and just being a fanboy unable to actually criticize. So, might I kindly suggest you take your smug, self-superior assumptions about others elsewhere, and actually take a good long hard look at the game? Do you know what we had last December (2012)? A better version of Skirmish (Dubbed Skirmish 1.0, think of it like rush in battlefield but at the end is the hacking objectives we have now) Two less guns, slightly different dropship controls, no mouse/keyboard or move support, 6 or so less module variants, and two less maps. I don't care who you are. You honestly cannot tell me that what we have now is reasonable progress for more than an entire year of work. Mavado is entirely justified in his sentiments in the OP. I could not have put this better.I recently listened to Cast514 it sounded like more hype bull **....where they just completely dodged your questions with smoke and mirrors that would Chris Angel jealous.While I applaud your efforts to try and get CCP to commit on a time frame for many of the features "they" said would be in this game I could feel your frustration it was tangible and simply mirrored my own feelings on the subject.
CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.02.19 21:35:00 - [67] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: ImperfectFan514 wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: im not gonna go into how long ive been watching dust and how that makes me more entitled. This thread helps nothing. OP needs to HTFU You've bee watching DUST while a few of us have been playing it since last year, and have given CCP the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this game time and time again. Some of us are at the point where this is just ridiculous, and the lack of features is a bit alarming. I have been playing dust and eve for a while now thank you. And people have been playing eve for over 10 years. Dont pretend you or the OP have a monopoly on wait time. If you dont like being part of the test crew for this amazing game, and if you dont like waiting, then dont help us test it anymore Take a look at what eve was when they first started........look at it today. nuff said I and alot of other closed beta testers that I ve asked have no idea who you are, as your tag in not familiar.If you were testing the closed beta as much as you say you were and your opinion has merit against the OP please state what your player tag was. Because at one point when the game would not load and constantly crashed there were as little as a 1000 players and of those about 500 are familiar to me.Your current tag is not.If you were a closed beta tester as you say you are please state your old tag and o'mighty of mightiest Why has thou changed thy tag?
Meeko Fent Kinsho Swords Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.03.11 02:32:00 - [68] - Quote PUB matches are the way to test out the New Guns CCP puts in to make sure they are balenced, but the main point of the Game should be added ASAP. I mean, the Games main punch line in One Universe, One War. Well the thing that makes it One Universe has yet to be seen. Corp own'd Districts should be Boots down next or Build after next.


Pages: 1 2 [3] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page