ITT, people overvalue their KDR.

Die twice? So fracking what? You get to keep your gear, and your team's clone count doesn't drop.

So I was playing a game, trying to go X amount of kills and 0 deaths. I died one time and got revived. At the end of the match it said I went 12 and 1. As I understand it if a clone is revived that clone is spared, suits weapon, etc. I also understand that I did technically die. What also make this bad, is when you get revived and die, revived and die, and so on, all those deaths count. I know of another game where a revive spared your death ratio. Now I know this is not that other game, it is Dust 514. So I post this to see if maybe it is a mistake/glitch, is it intentional? I also wanted to know if the community knows this and how do they feel about it?

Yes people should not care about their KDR and let scrub medics that can't do anything but hack and needle revive them under fire so they get 50wps and the reddot can farm the corpse till the medic gets killed by someone else, makes sense.

Yes people should not care about their KDR and let scrub medics that can't do anything but hack and needle revive them under fire so they get 50wps and the reddot can farm the corpse till the medic gets killed by someone else, makes sense.

League of Legends is the same way, people would rather lose with a decent KDR than win with a crappy one, that way they can blame the loss on their teammates that actually -tried- and lost due to the lack of team help.

Anyway, there should be separate stats for the amount of times "downed" and the amount of times killed. I propose that deaths count as "+1 death, +1 down" and revives count as "+0 death, +1 down", this would settle the issue quite easily, it wouldn't reflect on your KDR, and perhaps a new stat - DPL (Downs Per Life) - could be introduced. I've always thought that would be the best way to reflect revives vs. deaths.

I've noticed that the # of clones doesn't actually go down until you actually just let yourself die. So if you get revived you saved a clone but you're K/D is still affected it seems and your opponent still gets the kill. It's Weird.

So you're saying that you shouldn't get credited with a kill until the downed opponent bleeds out?

The fact that you're concerened about "scurbs" leads me to believe that you probably scream at your TV while playing this game, not to mention all the whining after that. Perhaps you should take a break, it is just a video game after all.

Surprise surprise all the people calling KDR a meaningless stat haven't got a KDR over 2, and one isn't even positive.

your death count is increased when you die. the team's clone count drops when you respawn.

It's really not surprising. No need to stat pad when you know the stat doesn't matter.

KDR matters for corp recruiting, a person with one over 4.0 can get recruited into top kill corps, i count that as a real factor as in the future background checks on applicants will become almost mandatory (as it is in EvE). don't underestimate its importance.

KDR matters for corp recruiting, a person with one over 4.0 can get recruited into top kill corps, i count that as a real factor as in the future background checks on applicants will become almost mandatory.

ISK efficiency > KDR

This will become the true measure for recruitment. This isn't saying that high KDR/ high IE are mutually exclusive, just you'll be able to tell who the real tryhards are once we can see IE as a stat.

High KDR with an IE that is 100's of millions in the red and you'll know that they only take AUR gear up against nubs.

Each AUR is worth 150,514.17 ISK (current as of 1653, using the Jita Buy order price for PLEX from http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_id=29668 divided by 3500 which is how many AUR you get from converting a PLEX).

This means that the new NEO Dropsuit (costing 90 AUR on the market) is worth 13,546,275.3, yep, 13.5m ISK so each one of those that you lose, you need to kill a whole lot of blueberries in ISK gear to make up the difference just for the cost of the Dropsuit.

KDR < IE

I've noticed that the # of clones doesn't actually go down until you actually just let yourself die. So if you get revived you saved a clone but you're K/D is still affected it seems and your opponent still gets the kill. It's Weird.

Surprise surprise all the people calling KDR a meaningless stat haven't got a KDR over 2, and one isn't even positive.

ISK efficiency > KDR

This will become the true measure for recruitment. This isn't saying that high KDR/ high IE are mutually exclusive, just you'll be able to tell who the real tryhards are once we can see IE as a stat.

High KDR with an IE that is 100's of millions in the red and you'll know that they only take AUR gear up against nubs.

Each AUR is worth 150,514.17 ISK (current as of 1653, using the Jita Buy order price for PLEX from http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_id=29668 divided by 3500 which is how many AUR you get from converting a PLEX).

This means that the new NEO Dropsuit (costing 90 AUR on the market) is worth 13,546,275.3, yep, 13.5m ISK so each one of those that you lose, you need to kill a whole lot of blueberries in ISK gear to make up the difference just for the cost of the Dropsuit.

KDR < IE

Noob question but... how do I check another persons KDR?

Stare into their eyes

I would probably propose having a stat that measures average WP per death. That way, people will compare it to KDR and get an idea how a person gets his WP.

For example, I have a KDR less than 1. However, when I run with a good squad, it is a rare match where I'm not getting in the top five people in the leaderboard, even with a crappy KDR. Why? Because I'm a Logi and offer support for my team.

My point is, if you look only at KDR, most support Logis won't be accepted into any top kill corporation. WP/D ratio will make it easier to distinguish the play style of a certain gamer and draw a conclusion, whether he's good or bad at this.

Surprise surprise all the people calling KDR a meaningless stat haven't got a KDR over 2, and one isn't even positive.

that's because KDR is a statistic for scrubs. KDR means almost nothing in this game to anyone other than the goofballs who tryhard every pubmatch in a BETA. KDR doesn't tell you whether a guy is a redline camping hill sniper ****, a heavy, a logibro, a drop ship pilot, AV specialist, etc. It also doesn't consider whether the player in question pubstomps, plays mostly corp matches, runs solo or squad, or how much time they spend goofing off after they hit their cap.

Actually, no, you missed something. You need to adjust the price between Aurum on the DUST/PSN store and the Aurum into PLEX price to get a grasp of the "EVE cost" of gear.

40k Aurum for $20 (DUST) vs 3500 Aurum for $17ish (EVE).

Other than that, spot on. . .

Noob question but... how do I check another persons KDR?

It's really not surprising. No need to stat pad when you know the stat doesn't matter.

People overly concerned about KDR is the death of objective based matches.

Most of the time i'm guarding a position....no WP there, and I get 1/4 kills than others.

You're all re-tarded scrubs with low KDRs who pat each other on the back and whisper "didn't want a good score anyway" I dare say your W/L ratio is terrible as well.

Let me see... W/L - ~2.25. I easily get to the top five with around 1000 WP and 0/0 KDR. When my help is needed everywhere on the battlefield, I come out on top with over 2000 WP, and still a low number of kills and deaths.

Now call me a re-tarded scrub one more time.

Well, I have to say that I can't begrudge you setting goals to strive for, it is something we should all do. I do have to say that I tend to agree with you there, though if you listen to a lot of the talk from L33T PVPers about green killboards, IDK that it will be much different in Dust than it is in Eve.

Goals are a good thing, this will not change the importance of IE as far as recruitment is concerned.

Will somebody answer my question? It's kind of hard to see into people souls with this screen in the way.

You're all re-tarded scrubs with low KDRs who pat each other on the back and whisper "didn't want a good score anyway" I dare say your W/L ratio is terrible as well.

this is why i hate k/d the time it takes to bleed out is immense, but because of this stupid chestbeating stat people know that they still counted as a death, and that if they respawn it would be better for their stats, but this is bad for the team. If you give me a second i WILL clear your body before reviving you, but you dont care, you'd rather pad a meaningless stat.

That sound great and I would love if everyone was like you, however just like there is stat whores there are those who only care about there wp. They will actually run out with like 5 guys shooting at them just to get the revive points. They live cause they're at full health while you take an unnecessary death. What about the sniper that watches this go down and will drop you successfully till he has to reload. I am good, I will pass. Cause I know at the end of a game everyone is looking at those stats to see who put in work and who was a deadbeat. Unless your playing side by side with a player all you have is their to see what kind of player they are.

I recognize the importance of all the roles on the battlefield but even a medic can kill people with his AR in between his duties and going 0 kills with high WP doesn't make you an awesome medic it more often than not means you were holding your triage tool on someone with full health when you should have been shooting, or running along with your needle out instead of your rifle.

Not entirely directed at you, its something I see a lot of medics do its like they've taken the Hippocratic oath sometimes.

So I was playing a game, trying to go X amount of kills and 0 deaths. I died one time and got revived. At the end of the match it said I went 12 and 1. As I understand it if a clone is revived that clone is spared, suits, weapon, etc. I also understand that I did technically die. What also make this bad, is when you get revived and die, revived and die, and so on, all those deaths count. I know of another game where a revive spared your death ratio. Now I know this is not that other game, it is Dust 514. So I post this to see if maybe it is a mistake/glitch, or is it intentional? I also wanted to know if the community knows this and how do they feel about it?


So after reading all the post I realize that we don't actually die until we bleed out, so why should we take the death until we bleed out? If we wanted to get technical we are actually on the ground dying but not yet dead.

Yeah its pretty silly and one of the reasons I don't bother letting medics revive me, I'm already dead and chances are the medic hasn't cleared the body so I'm just going to die twice.

I guess you and the guys who liked you are still using the crappy, free. militia starter fitting.

Once you start using advanced stuff and your suits start costing 80k+ isk you will want to be revived.

KDR matters for corp recruiting, a person with one over 4.0 can get recruited into top kill corps, i count that as a real factor as in the future background checks on applicants will become almost mandatory (as it is in EvE). don't underestimate its importance.

To answer your question, add the person as a contact, then go to leader boards and scroll over to contacts. Later delete the contact if you want.

Shijima Kuraimaru i agree with everything you say.

Maybe this time, but I'm sure you'll disagree with me somewhere. LOL

So I was playing a game, trying to go X amount of kills and 0 deaths. I died one time and got revived. At the end of the match it said I went 12 and 1. As I understand it if a clone is revived that clone is spared, suits, weapon, etc. I also understand that I did technically die. What also make this bad, is when you get revived and die, revived and die, and so on, all those deaths count. I know of another game where a revive spared your death ratio. Now I know this is not that other game, it is Dust 514. So I post this to see if maybe it is a mistake/glitch, or is it intentional? I also wanted to know if the community knows this and how do they feel about it?


So after reading all the post I realize that we don't actually die until we bleed out, so why should we take the death until we bleed out? If we wanted to get technical we are actually on the ground dying but not yet dead.