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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:26:00 -
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Captain Save-a-Hoe wrote:I've noticed that the # of clones doesn't actually go down until you actually just let yourself die. So if you get revived you saved a clone but you're K/D is still affected it seems and your opponent still gets the kill. It's Weird.
It's Perfect. The way it's supposed to be.
If you get downed, someone gets a kill and you deserve to get a record for that. You lost in gungame (or whatever).
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Mendov Ishenko
Dead Six Initiative
2
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:28:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Surprise surprise all the people calling KDR a meaningless stat haven't got a KDR over 2, and one isn't even positive.
KDR is a meaningless stat. |
Razor Risen
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:31:00 -
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Do it like battlefield |
Fornacis Fairchild
Kat 5 Kaos
25
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:34:00 -
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People overly concerned about KDR is the death of objective based matches.
Most of the time i'm guarding a position....no WP there, and I get 1/4 kills than others. |
John Surratt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.02.09 02:14:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:ISK efficiency > KDR This will become the true measure for recruitment. This isn't saying that high KDR/ high IE are mutually exclusive, just you'll be able to tell who the real tryhards are once we can see IE as a stat. High KDR with an IE that is 100's of millions in the red and you'll know that they only take AUR gear up against nubs. Each AUR is worth 150,514.17 ISK (current as of 1653, using the Jita Buy order price for PLEX from http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_id=29668 divided by 3500 which is how many AUR you get from converting a PLEX). This means that the new NEO Dropsuit (costing 90 AUR on the market) is worth 13,546,275.3, yep, 13.5m ISK so each one of those that you lose, you need to kill a whole lot of blueberries in ISK gear to make up the difference just for the cost of the Dropsuit. KDR < IE
Actually, no, you missed soemthing. You need to adjust the price between Aurum on the DUST/PSN store and the Aurum into PLEX price to get a grasp of the "EVE cost" of gear.
40k Aurum for $20 (DUST) vs 3500 Aurum for $17ish (EVE).
Other than that, spot on. . . |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:10:00 -
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Since players can be forcibly killed by shooting their body on the ground (so they can't be revived) we should not get the death if we get revived.
If CCP ever does it this way, the gameplay will drastically improve because every player will want a revive instead of just those wanting to save their suits. I mean think about it, imagine a game where being killed and revived doesn't count as a death... those with injectors will be incredibly sought after and will be massive game changers.
Pretty sure a revive doesn't count as a death towards the clone count right now, so it theoretically can be a game changer already. But most don't want to get revived because it is such a high risk of getting shot down again and getting way more deaths than we want to have. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:14:00 -
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Noob question but... how do I check another persons KDR?
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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:24:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Noob question but... how do I check another persons KDR?
Stare into their eyes |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:26:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Noob question but... how do I check another persons KDR?
Stare into their eyes
Makes sense. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:39:00 -
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I would probably propose having a stat that measures average WP per death. That way, people will compare it to KDR and get an idea how a person gets his WP.
For example, I have a KDR less than 1. However, when I run with a good squad, it is a rare match where I'm not getting in the top five people in the leaderboard, even with a crappy KDR. Why? Because I'm a Logi and offer support for my team.
My point is, if you look only at KDR, most support Logis won't be accepted into any top kill corporation. WP/D ratio will make it easier to distinguish the play style of a certain gamer and draw a conclusion, whether he's good or bad at this. |
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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:41:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:I would probably propose having a stat that measures average WP per death. That way, people will compare it to KDR and get an idea how a person gets his WP.
For example, I have a KDR less than 1. However, when I run with a good squad, it is a rare match where I'm not getting in the top five people in the leaderboard, even with a crappy KDR. Why? Because I'm a Logi and offer support for my team.
My point is, if you look only at KDR, most support Logis won't be accepted into any top kill corporation. WP/D ratio will make it easier to distinguish the play style of a certain gamer and draw a conclusion, whether he's good or bad at this. I like it. WP/D would be a kick ass ratio to go along with K/D
If you get 300 warpoints per death, but no kills, that should be considered a positive, becuase you did something you were useful to the team. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
375
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:44:00 -
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+1 |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:52:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Surprise surprise all the people calling KDR a meaningless stat haven't got a KDR over 2, and one isn't even positive.
that's because KDR is a statistic for scrubs. KDR means almost nothing in this game to anyone other than the goofballs who tryhard every pubmatch in a BETA. KDR doesn't tell you whether a guy is a redline camping hill sniper ****, a heavy, a logibro, a drop ship pilot, AV specialist, etc. It also doesn't consider whether the player in question pubstomps, plays mostly corp matches, runs solo or squad, or how much time they spend goofing off after they hit their cap. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:57:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Surprise surprise all the people calling KDR a meaningless stat haven't got a KDR over 2, and one isn't even positive. that's because KDR is a statistic for scrubs. KDR means almost nothing in this game to anyone other than the goofballs who tryhard every pubmatch in a BETA. KDR doesn't tell you whether a guy is a redline camping hill sniper ****, a heavy, a logibro, a drop ship pilot, AV specialist, etc. It also doesn't consider whether the player in question pubstomps, plays mostly corp matches, runs solo or squad, or how much time they spend goofing off after they hit their cap.
Exactly.
Also, wouldn't it be nice to have a "Preferred Weapon/Equipment"? A weapon or tool that you get most WP with, I guess it would give a decent idea of the player's style. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
47
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Posted - 2013.02.09 04:39:00 -
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John Surratt wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:ISK efficiency > KDR This will become the true measure for recruitment. This isn't saying that high KDR/ high IE are mutually exclusive, just you'll be able to tell who the real tryhards are once we can see IE as a stat. High KDR with an IE that is 100's of millions in the red and you'll know that they only take AUR gear up against nubs. Each AUR is worth 150,514.17 ISK (current as of 1653, using the Jita Buy order price for PLEX from http://eve-marketdata.com/price_check.php?type_id=29668 divided by 3500 which is how many AUR you get from converting a PLEX). This means that the new NEO Dropsuit (costing 90 AUR on the market) is worth 13,546,275.3, yep, 13.5m ISK so each one of those that you lose, you need to kill a whole lot of blueberries in ISK gear to make up the difference just for the cost of the Dropsuit. KDR < IE Actually, no, you missed something. You need to adjust the price between Aurum on the DUST/PSN store and the Aurum into PLEX price to get a grasp of the "EVE cost" of gear. 40k Aurum for $20 (DUST) vs 3500 Aurum for $17ish (EVE). Other than that, spot on. . .
Using the same price, adjusting for 40k AUR to a PLEX (for arguments sake) brings the ISK value of the 90 AUR Neo Dropsuits to 1,185,299.1 per dropsuit. While this is a much more manageable number, it is still a fairly considerable amount of ISK per death to make up. Keep in mind that killing people that possess AUR gear will have a positive effect on your IE too, though if you're also using AUR gear, each kill will simply do more to even the ISK loss of each death. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.09 04:58:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Noob question but... how do I check another persons KDR?
Will somebody answer my question? It's kind of hard to see into people souls with this screen in the way. |
zeek1227 zeek1227
Blitzkrieg Co.
145
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Posted - 2013.02.09 06:18:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Surprise surprise all the people calling KDR a meaningless stat haven't got a KDR over 2, and one isn't even positive. It's really not surprising. No need to stat pad when you know the stat doesn't matter. Exactly... the people who care about K/D once they die like twice head on back to the MCC and sit there for the remainder of the match or they sit in the red with a sniper. People who want to win and realize K/D means little and WP is everything will charge into battle like men and take the K/D drop. Too many people think this is COD I just hope y'all do this when we are fighting for control of planets |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.09 06:58:00 -
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I think we should have 2 options when down: Wait to get healed, or suicide grenade |
Bojo The Mighty
Bojo's School of the Trades
429
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Posted - 2013.02.09 07:13:00 -
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WTF happened while I was gone?
KDR is so easy to manipulate right from the start. You just have to redline camp 1 game and your KDR is off the charts. When you activate the leader boards, the top KDR are people who played maybe 2 games. |
Chibi Andy
Celtic Anarchy
38
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Posted - 2013.02.09 07:44:00 -
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well just be glad that you still have your equipments, if you're running high end stuff its better to be revived than bleed out. |
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2013.02.09 08:46:00 -
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Fornacis Fairchild wrote:People overly concerned about KDR is the death of objective based matches.
Most of the time i'm guarding a position....no WP there, and I get 1/4 kills than others.
I feel your pain. Running Assault HMG, I spent half of a match defending point A all by myself. Ran off a few solo LAV raiders before I had support. Then I spent most of the rest of the time warding off enemy mercs and LAVs while marking targets for the squad's sniper. That match I had 2 kills, 1 death(revived), and 100 war points. Though I didn't get any significant stat increases, my squad, and others that had joined us on team chat, appreciated our efforts and it was well worth it. By the way, we won. Just goes to show that not all of us are stat wh0r3s and play just as hard even as those who are.
As far as Eve goes... Most pro killers there don't really give much of a crap about KDR. They're more into total ISK destroyed. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:33:00 -
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You're all re-tarded scrubs with low KDRs who pat each other on the back and whisper "didn't want a good score anyway" I dare say your W/L ratio is terrible as well. |
Ner'Zul Nexhawk
Talos Incorporated
153
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:52:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:You're all re-tarded scrubs with low KDRs who pat each other on the back and whisper "didn't want a good score anyway" I dare say your W/L ratio is terrible as well.
Let me see... W/L - ~2.25. I easily get to the top five with around 1000 WP and 0/0 KDR. When my help is needed everywhere on the battlefield, I come out on top with over 2000 WP, and still a low number of kills and deaths.
Now call me a re-tarded scrub one more time. |
Sgt S-Laughter
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
22
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Posted - 2013.02.09 11:55:00 -
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imo -
Dying should count towards your k/d, even if you're revived.
Revives are to protect -> the squad life, so you don't respawn, and the clone limit to the game.
So basically it's working as intended. |
Mister0Zz
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
31
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:56:00 -
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this is why i hate k/d the time it takes to bleed out is immense, but because of this stupid chestbeating stat people know that they still counted as a death, and that if they respawn it would be better for their stats, but this is bad for the team. If you give me a second i WILL clear your body before reviving you, but you dont care, you'd rather pad a meaningless stat. |
Mister0Zz
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
31
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:58:00 -
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Ner'Zul Nexhawk wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:You're all re-tarded scrubs with low KDRs who pat each other on the back and whisper "didn't want a good score anyway" I dare say your W/L ratio is terrible as well. Let me see... W/L - ~2.25. I easily get to the top five with around 1000 WP and 0/0 KDR. When my help is needed everywhere on the battlefield, I come out on top with over 2000 WP, and still a low number of kills and deaths. Now call me a re-tarded scrub one more time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi6ylv5Zu8Y |
Boxoffire
Lost-Legion
47
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:43:00 -
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KDR < Not having to restock those extra fittings because I got revived. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
165
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:35:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Well, I have to say that I can't begrudge you setting goals to strive for, it is something we should all do. I do have to say that I tend to agree with you there, though if you listen to a lot of the talk from L33T PVPers about green killboards, IDK that it will be much different in Dust than it is in Eve.
Goals are a good thing, this will not change the importance of IE as far as recruitment is concerned.
Agree. Isk efficiency is n useful stat and could be tracked, too. Its the good type of non-minimalism to have plenty of stats tracking. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
35
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:43:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Noob question but... how do I check another persons KDR?
Will somebody answer my question? It's kind of hard to see into people souls with this screen in the way. To answer your question, add the person as a contact, then go to leader boards and scroll over to contacts. Later delete the contact if you want. |
dabest2evadoit7
Cyberdyne Systems and Technology The Revenant Order
35
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:45:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:You're all re-tarded scrubs with low KDRs who pat each other on the back and whisper "didn't want a good score anyway" I dare say your W/L ratio is terrible as well. Lmfao Rotfl |
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