I have not vested in those skills, only operations to unlock the Laser Rifle. Thanks for sharing this information though, I would not have vested in those skills due to me feeling like they are not even needed.

Zero you do realize that most of the Skill levels is simply a way to eat SP, right?

That is why it is set up this way. Everything in DUST is for consumption. Are you thinking like an RPG player or FPS?

Player gains SP, spends SP, gains access to better guns (the Skill bonus is not important) so the cycle can start anew.
Or the player decides to use a different type of weapon. First they need to speed SP. A coincidence? I think not.

The point of the matter, Kal, is that the skills for Laser Rifle aren't doing anything. Yes, it is a commonly understood fact that the higher skilled you are in a certain skill, the better equipment you can get from said skill. It is also a commonly understood fact that when said skill states that it gives a bonus per level, the player earns said bonus for each level invested.

So it's not 'simply a way to eat SP' in this case. You're thinking of Dropsuits, which in fact do NOT give a bonus, and simply allow access to better gear.

I bitched about this in a few other threads and there still hasn't been any word from CCP. Apparently, it being broken is working as intended.

Apparent is nice, but I'd rather make sure that they know then just hope. The buyer's remorse for Laser Rifle V is enough incentive, and both to ensure that it is fixed and to make sure no one spends their hard-earned points on a literally useless skill are decent goals.

It's honestly a shame that you go through all of that to get the ELM-7 for (hang on to something) 4% tacked on to the overheat.

Skills don't work
ELM-7 doesn't have a damage/range increase
Viziam is far too expensive for what you have to go through in order to get it
As are the (aforementioned broken) skills.

I have no idea why they fail to mention this week after week in the Bugs/Feedback weekly reports but it's seriously getting irritating. My suggestion? Mass produce threads on the General Discussions so that the moderators have to keep moving them to Feedback/Bugs - then they HAVE to do something about it because it's just annoying the **** out of them otherwise.

ELM-7 does have a range and damage increase. Damage increase in the sense that you can fire it longer without overheating. Increase in max range as well as a smaller increase in optimal range. Viziam has no range increase over the ELM-7 and the extra time before cooldown is negated by the fact that you would emtpy the clip before it overheated. Which I believe would also be the case with the ELM-7 if the skills worked properly. CCP just needs to fix the whole damn thing.

Welp, CCP says you can't bump threads.

So, Bump. Shameless bump, in fact.

Yes because that extra 4% mag's worth of damage is going to make such a significant difference.

Disagree, in case you couldn't tell. The ELM-7 needs a bit of a damage increase so as not to make it entirely a range based upgrade over the standard Laser Rifle.

Maybe it isn't that they aren't applying, but that they are acting as if applied at maximum 100% of the time, even when you don't have them. Personally, I think you should overheat well before you've fired off your full clip. Isn't much sense to having overheat take effect--and wear off--when you are reloading.

Acrually, reloading and overheating at the same time bugs the weapon so you have to draw a different tool, then swap back, then reload. And overheating this gun hurts alot.

So does the gun.

Welp, CCP says you can't bump threads.

So, Bump. Shameless bump, in fact.

Yet again - bump.

Lasers are fun to counter and overall cool weapons. It is sad to hear that skills don't work properly and people prefer using AR/Mass Drivers over the damn Lazzors!

Dont let the Lasors be useless as Nova Knives!

Nothing wrong with Lasers. I use them as my primary Dropsuit and I am having fun with it. I still get taken out. I can kill things reasonable quick. Just leave the lasers as it is an learn all the skill books revolving Light Weapons. You will notice range increase and all that.

Did you even read the entire OP, let alone the rest o the thread? The Laser Rifle ITSELF is fine, but the Operations and Proficiency skills are completely non-functional, and the Light Sharpshooter skill works as advertised, but also weakens midrange game because it effects minimum and maximum.

I use Lasers as a Logi, there is nothing special about getting a kill with it, and I am not saying that Lasers are UP, worthless, or OP, but that the SKILLS are BROKEN. Please read before you post.


Also, 'leave the lasers as it is'? Not going to pick at the grammar, but the entire point of a beta is to tell them when they screw up and break something. So no, I will not leave this 'as it is'.

Oh I'm sorry? Do I have to reply/quote someone on here to be apart of this convo? No I don't. I did read everyone's post. Sorry also if my grammar is bad. I didn't study basic english in Albania. I didn't know people get touche on this subject.

My previous reply in the thread is basically my opinion and the EXPERIENCE I've had during my beta testing of Dust 514

Your EXPERIENCE is one thing, but this thread isn't about something that subjective. It isn't an evaluation of the Laser Rifle as a tool in DUST 514. It is a notice that three skills that effect the Laser Rifle are broken, and should be looked at and repaired.

You may have had a nice EXPERIENCE with the Laser Rifle, but that does not cure the fact that it has broken skills, so take your indignation elsewhere.

I'm not angry lol Far from it brah! Just no need to attack me like as if I've broken forum rules. You act like as I've said something so off topic that you must express how fail I am. I'm on topic. With my EXPERIENCE, those skills are working fine for me. For every skill I've put onto sharpshooting and all other skills I've noticed a small advantage when vsing other players with beams.

Thanks for bringing this up, I want to try most weapons and the LR was on my todo list. Seeing how long it takes me to earn SP, you have potentially saved me a lot of time and effort. +Like.

Persistent issue persists.

I'm comfortable with sharpshooter increasing the minimum effective range of LRs, since the advantage gained is greater than the equivalent for any other weapon.

As for the main issue: I'm genuinely surprised. I wonder is this true for other weapons capable of overheating?

Not sure, I asked people to test them themselves in an enclosed environment but have yet to get any information from, say, a Shotgun specialist on his spread, or an HMG user on his heat buildup.

As for the Light Sharpshooter thing, EVE has a basic idea 'You learn a skill, you learned a skill. You can't unlearn it or redeem it, but it'll never hurt you for doing so.' The fact that the skill hurts laser users at all, therefore, may be unintended, and as such I felt that it should be noted with the completely bugged skills. A skill shouldn't hurt your abilities. Plus, having the laser be useless in medium range after a level or two in Light Sharpshooter really sucks if you are unaware of it, and neither the skill nor the Laser description inform the player of this fatal flaw. The only reason anyone is is because Musta Tornius had a lot of free time and a desire to do his job as a beta tester. Everyone else just chalks it up to enemies having better armor plates or some-such as the player average creeps up. I know I did until I found the research.

Yes, two 'is' in a row is intentional.

Bumping because the minimum range being increased w/ the sharpshooter skill is ridiculous and ruins the guns.

This is the thread that never ends...

It goes on and on my friends...

Lol - bunch of martyrs we Laser Rifle users are.

They're either going to suspend our forum access for constant bumping or lock the thread and ensure even more passionate outcry about the broken skills.

Or, yanno, actually fix them... That's another option, unlikely as it may seem at the moment...

Yeah, good stuff, may just stop with the whole laser / sharpshooter progression, very disappointing that the sharpshooter skill actually forces the laser guy to change his style completely while only helping the other guns completely ..
.and the laser range is only slightly better than an ar.

Any more word on getting these skills either properly fixed or altered in effect?
(skills that list a bonus should really provide some form of edge on the field)

Any more word on getting these skills either properly fixed or altered in effect?
(skills that list a bonus should really provide some form of edge on the field)

LOL to bad.

You may as well wait until their vacation finishes before bumping again.

Man does have a point.

First of all, Long live the laser problems thread! (Until it's fixed) :) okay now back to business here.

So yea I've realized my range has been affected as well, but with no worries fellas. If you have your weapory skills upgraded you can use the submachine gun as a uber beasty backup for close range. I personally run the blueprint submachine gun with the 80 round mag with all of my laser suits. Still eatin at the control points fellas, no problem whatsoever. The rate of fire is basically your close range beam equivalent, I recommend this to yall but i'm sure plenty of you are already adjusting accordingly.

The laser Rifle is a complete beast when you have a specialized squad with at least two of them. My guys ran with 4 one day, it reminded me of the Void Ray from StarCraft 2. In groups you can just eat entire squads quicker than a cheese sammich.

I needed my advanced nano-injector to revive this thread.

This is probably the wrong thread for this, but I think the laser rifle needs to be reworked. I think a big buff to damage, minimum range doing the same damage. Good so far I know, but now I throw the curve ball. Heat build up needs to the target getting shot. Sort of a damage over time weapon with the "DOT" increasing the longer the beam is on the target. This would bring a rpg feel that this game is missing, as well as getting insta-poped the second a laser touches someone which is unfair and unbalanced. As it stands, a well placed laser is hard to get to because of their more accurate range, and I die in my best suit 600+ total health in the time someone can get 3-6 duvolle rounds on me. That makes it unanswerable in the right hands/location its placed on the map.

Bit of an update to how I feel about these things...

The skills *are* broken, yes, AND the minimum range thing *is* a pain in the ass.
However, the range dealio isn't *that* big a deal.

I've been using the rifles almost exclusively, and I'm sure there are some people who can attest to the fact that I do pretty well with them. I think the biggest issues lie in the current level designs we're given, as well as the absurd amount of damage overlap the ARs put out to where lasers should be working best. Maybe nuking AR range and changing their proficiency from damage to range would be a good solution.

The nature of the LR means you've got to build up heat to do more damage, however many of the maps are congested and feature tons of cover. That makes it extremely difficult to use the LR as you've got to treat it like a sniper/assault hybrid.
If we had larger and/or more open maps I think we'd look at these things a whole lot differently. Currently, most locations which are optimal for lasers are still well inside the range of every basic AR (think Manus Peak skirmish between B/C).

The next thing is basically how good/bad the regular and elm-7 are.

The elm-7 has a *bit* more range, and lets you live in the heat a *little* bit longer, but for all intents and purposes you're better off saving your money (and a ton of fitting) by simply running the regular LR. I'm not sure what the best approach would be to balance that out a bit better, because I don't think the LR is overpowered... moreso that the elm-7 is underpowered.

Yeh laser are very sytuational and underwhelming. Optimal on them is how muche? 17m and range 81m ? AR have 79m range and 1-35 optimal, and at close there is no point evene try shot , you just die.

SMG for the win.

Unless you're a Logi, who had our sidearms forcibly removed for no gawddamned reason.

Known issue since before open Beta unless your going for proto you only invest 1 point in laser anything else is a waste. Nothing new here. Move along.

I've restored the replication process since FoxFour said it wasn't what I thought it was even though I was right.

Also, we're aware of the Laser Rifle skills being broken and have a fix in the pipeline for them.