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Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.02 21:33:00 -
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Mars El'Theran wrote:Maybe it isn't that they aren't applying, but that they are acting as if applied at maximum 100% of the time, even when you don't have them. Personally, I think you should overheat well before you've fired off your full clip. Isn't much sense to having overheat take effect--and wear off--when you are reloading.
Acrually, reloading and overheating at the same time bugs the weapon so you have to draw a different tool, then swap back, then reload. And overheating this gun hurts alot. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
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Posted - 2013.02.02 21:46:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Mars El'Theran wrote:Maybe it isn't that they aren't applying, but that they are acting as if applied at maximum 100% of the time, even when you don't have them. Personally, I think you should overheat well before you've fired off your full clip. Isn't much sense to having overheat take effect--and wear off--when you are reloading. Acrually, reloading and overheating at the same time bugs the weapon so you have to draw a different tool, then swap back, then reload. And overheating this gun hurts alot.
So does the gun. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:50:00 -
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Mars El'Theran wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Mars El'Theran wrote:Maybe it isn't that they aren't applying, but that they are acting as if applied at maximum 100% of the time, even when you don't have them. Personally, I think you should overheat well before you've fired off your full clip. Isn't much sense to having overheat take effect--and wear off--when you are reloading. Acrually, reloading and overheating at the same time bugs the weapon so you have to draw a different tool, then swap back, then reload. And overheating this gun hurts alot. So does the gun.
Also, when it overheats, you can do nothing but move for about five seconds, unless you do the aforementioned reload failure. Personally I'd like to be able to melee with the steaming device. You swing it around to disperse heat anyway, and the extra thermal ought to increase damage :p
Though if you overheated the gun firing at someone in melee distance you just wasted 80 shots and 100someodd HP anyway... |
Monkxx
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.03 03:40:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Welp, CCP says you can't bump threads.
So, Bump. Shameless bump, in fact.
Yet again - bump.
Lasers are fun to counter and overall cool weapons. It is sad to hear that skills don't work properly and people prefer using AR/Mass Drivers over the damn Lazzors!
Dont let the Lasors be useless as Nova Knives! |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.03 19:16:00 -
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Monkxx wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Welp, CCP says you can't bump threads.
So, Bump. Shameless bump, in fact. Yet again - bump. Lasers are fun to counter and overall cool weapons. It is sad to hear that skills don't work properly and people prefer using AR/Mass Drivers over the damn Lazzors! Dont let the Lasors be useless as Nova Knives!
Indeed, a complete lack of shame here. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:02:00 -
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I'm glad people are taking interest in this cause. |
Templar Eight
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:22:00 -
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Nothing wrong with Lasers. I use them as my primary Dropsuit and I am having fun with it. I still get taken out. I can kill things reasonable quick. Just leave the lasers as it is an learn all the skill books revolving Light Weapons. You will notice range increase and all that. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.04 03:46:00 -
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Templar Eight wrote:Nothing wrong with Lasers. I use them as my primary Dropsuit and I am having fun with it. I still get taken out. I can kill things reasonable quick. Just leave the lasers as it is an learn all the skill books revolving Light Weapons. You will notice range increase and all that.
Did you even read the entire OP, let alone the rest o the thread? The Laser Rifle ITSELF is fine, but the Operations and Proficiency skills are completely non-functional, and the Light Sharpshooter skill works as advertised, but also weakens midrange game because it effects minimum and maximum.
I use Lasers as a Logi, there is nothing special about getting a kill with it, and I am not saying that Lasers are UP, worthless, or OP, but that the SKILLS are BROKEN. Please read before you post.
Also, 'leave the lasers as it is'? Not going to pick at the grammar, but the entire point of a beta is to tell them when they screw up and break something. So no, I will not leave this 'as it is'. |
Templar Eight
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:31:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Templar Eight wrote:Nothing wrong with Lasers. I use them as my primary Dropsuit and I am having fun with it. I still get taken out. I can kill things reasonable quick. Just leave the lasers as it is an learn all the skill books revolving Light Weapons. You will notice range increase and all that. Did you even read the entire OP, let alone the rest o the thread? The Laser Rifle ITSELF is fine, but the Operations and Proficiency skills are completely non-functional, and the Light Sharpshooter skill works as advertised, but also weakens midrange game because it effects minimum and maximum. I use Lasers as a Logi, there is nothing special about getting a kill with it, and I am not saying that Lasers are UP, worthless, or OP, but that the SKILLS are BROKEN. Please read before you post. Also, 'leave the lasers as it is'? Not going to pick at the grammar, but the entire point of a beta is to tell them when they screw up and break something. So no, I will not leave this 'as it is'.
Oh I'm sorry? Do I have to reply/quote someone on here to be apart of this convo? No I don't. I did read everyone's post. Sorry also if my grammar is bad. I didn't study basic english in Albania. I didn't know people get touche on this subject.
My previous reply in the thread is basically my opinion and the EXPERIENCE I've had during my beta testing of Dust 514 |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:49:00 -
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Templar Eight wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Templar Eight wrote:Nothing wrong with Lasers. I use them as my primary Dropsuit and I am having fun with it. I still get taken out. I can kill things reasonable quick. Just leave the lasers as it is an learn all the skill books revolving Light Weapons. You will notice range increase and all that. Did you even read the entire OP, let alone the rest o the thread? The Laser Rifle ITSELF is fine, but the Operations and Proficiency skills are completely non-functional, and the Light Sharpshooter skill works as advertised, but also weakens midrange game because it effects minimum and maximum. I use Lasers as a Logi, there is nothing special about getting a kill with it, and I am not saying that Lasers are UP, worthless, or OP, but that the SKILLS are BROKEN. Please read before you post. Also, 'leave the lasers as it is'? Not going to pick at the grammar, but the entire point of a beta is to tell them when they screw up and break something. So no, I will not leave this 'as it is'. Oh I'm sorry? Do I have to reply/quote someone on here to be apart of this convo? No I don't. I did read everyone's post. Sorry also if my grammar is bad. I didn't study basic english in Albania. I didn't know people get touche on this subject. My previous reply in the thread is basically my opinion and the EXPERIENCE I've had during my beta testing of Dust 514
Your EXPERIENCE is one thing, but this thread isn't about something that subjective. It isn't an evaluation of the Laser Rifle as a tool in DUST 514. It is a notice that three skills that effect the Laser Rifle are broken, and should be looked at and repaired.
You may have had a nice EXPERIENCE with the Laser Rifle, but that does not cure the fact that it has broken skills, so take your indignation elsewhere. |
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Templar Eight
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.04 06:26:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Templar Eight wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Templar Eight wrote:Nothing wrong with Lasers. I use them as my primary Dropsuit and I am having fun with it. I still get taken out. I can kill things reasonable quick. Just leave the lasers as it is an learn all the skill books revolving Light Weapons. You will notice range increase and all that. Did you even read the entire OP, let alone the rest o the thread? The Laser Rifle ITSELF is fine, but the Operations and Proficiency skills are completely non-functional, and the Light Sharpshooter skill works as advertised, but also weakens midrange game because it effects minimum and maximum. I use Lasers as a Logi, there is nothing special about getting a kill with it, and I am not saying that Lasers are UP, worthless, or OP, but that the SKILLS are BROKEN. Please read before you post. Also, 'leave the lasers as it is'? Not going to pick at the grammar, but the entire point of a beta is to tell them when they screw up and break something. So no, I will not leave this 'as it is'. Oh I'm sorry? Do I have to reply/quote someone on here to be apart of this convo? No I don't. I did read everyone's post. Sorry also if my grammar is bad. I didn't study basic english in Albania. I didn't know people get touche on this subject. My previous reply in the thread is basically my opinion and the EXPERIENCE I've had during my beta testing of Dust 514 Your EXPERIENCE is one thing, but this thread isn't about something that subjective. It isn't an evaluation of the Laser Rifle as a tool in DUST 514. It is a notice that three skills that effect the Laser Rifle are broken, and should be looked at and repaired. You may have had a nice EXPERIENCE with the Laser Rifle, but that does not cure the fact that it has broken skills, so take your indignation elsewhere.
I'm not angry lol Far from it brah! Just no need to attack me like as if I've broken forum rules. You act like as I've said something so off topic that you must express how fail I am. I'm on topic. With my EXPERIENCE, those skills are working fine for me. For every skill I've put onto sharpshooting and all other skills I've noticed a small advantage when vsing other players with beams. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:32:00 -
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Templar Eight wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Templar Eight wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Templar Eight wrote:Nothing wrong with Lasers. I use them as my primary Dropsuit and I am having fun with it. I still get taken out. I can kill things reasonable quick. Just leave the lasers as it is an learn all the skill books revolving Light Weapons. You will notice range increase and all that. Did you even read the entire OP, let alone the rest o the thread? The Laser Rifle ITSELF is fine, but the Operations and Proficiency skills are completely non-functional, and the Light Sharpshooter skill works as advertised, but also weakens midrange game because it effects minimum and maximum. I use Lasers as a Logi, there is nothing special about getting a kill with it, and I am not saying that Lasers are UP, worthless, or OP, but that the SKILLS are BROKEN. Please read before you post. Also, 'leave the lasers as it is'? Not going to pick at the grammar, but the entire point of a beta is to tell them when they screw up and break something. So no, I will not leave this 'as it is'. Oh I'm sorry? Do I have to reply/quote someone on here to be apart of this convo? No I don't. I did read everyone's post. Sorry also if my grammar is bad. I didn't study basic english in Albania. I didn't know people get touche on this subject. My previous reply in the thread is basically my opinion and the EXPERIENCE I've had during my beta testing of Dust 514 Your EXPERIENCE is one thing, but this thread isn't about something that subjective. It isn't an evaluation of the Laser Rifle as a tool in DUST 514. It is a notice that three skills that effect the Laser Rifle are broken, and should be looked at and repaired. You may have had a nice EXPERIENCE with the Laser Rifle, but that does not cure the fact that it has broken skills, so take your indignation elsewhere. I'm not angry lol Far from it brah! Just no need to attack me like as if I've broken forum rules. You act like as I've said something so off topic that you must express how fail I am. I'm on topic. With my EXPERIENCE, those skills are working fine for me. For every skill I've put onto sharpshooting and all other skills I've noticed a small advantage when vsing other players with beams.
If that is the case, then you're delusional.
As I stated above, Laser Rifle Proficiency does nothing, Laser Rifle Operations does nothing, and Light Weapons Sharpshooter increases minimum range along with maximum. Of those three skills, only one actually does anything, and it also weakens you for as much as it strengthens you. For every level you put into Light Sharpshooter, you gain a bit of range, but you lose more and more power at shorter ranges.
I'm not mad at you, nor am I saying you are breaking any rules. You're simply saying things that are not here, nor there. You're trying to prove that gravity doesn't exist because you can jump. Your personal ability with the Laser Rifle has nothing to do with the fact that these skills are broken. I thank you for bumping the thread though. |
smash musashi
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:12:00 -
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i agree this must be looked at and it need to be fix |
CARBONtm
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:08:00 -
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Thanks for bringing this up, I want to try most weapons and the LR was on my todo list. Seeing how long it takes me to earn SP, you have potentially saved me a lot of time and effort. +Like. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.05 16:48:00 -
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CARBONtm wrote:Thanks for bringing this up, I want to try most weapons and the LR was on my todo list. Seeing how long it takes me to earn SP, you have potentially saved me a lot of time and effort. +Like.
You should still try the Laser, just don't bother getting any more than Operations I. The actual weapon appears to work fine. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:37:00 -
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Still no word on acknowledgement of this 'bug', nor has it been repaired at time of writing... er, typing. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:24:00 -
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Persistent issue persists. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.05 22:48:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Persistent issue persists.
Indeed. And I shall persist in persisting to keep this thread persisting until the persisting issue ceases to persist. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.06 01:58:00 -
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Persisting. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:04:00 -
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Still broken as of Feb. 6th |
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.06 18:31:00 -
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I'm comfortable with sharpshooter increasing the minimum effective range of LRs, since the advantage gained is greater than the equivalent for any other weapon.
As for the main issue: I'm genuinely surprised. I wonder is this true for other weapons capable of overheating? |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:05:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:I'm comfortable with sharpshooter increasing the minimum effective range of LRs, since the advantage gained is greater than the equivalent for any other weapon.
As for the main issue: I'm genuinely surprised. I wonder is this true for other weapons capable of overheating?
Not sure, I asked people to test them themselves in an enclosed environment but have yet to get any information from, say, a Shotgun specialist on his spread, or an HMG user on his heat buildup.
As for the Light Sharpshooter thing, EVE has a basic idea 'You learn a skill, you learned a skill. You can't unlearn it or redeem it, but it'll never hurt you for doing so.' The fact that the skill hurts laser users at all, therefore, may be unintended, and as such I felt that it should be noted with the completely bugged skills. A skill shouldn't hurt your abilities. Plus, having the laser be useless in medium range after a level or two in Light Sharpshooter really sucks if you are unaware of it, and neither the skill nor the Laser description inform the player of this fatal flaw. The only reason anyone is is because Musta Tornius had a lot of free time and a desire to do his job as a beta tester. Everyone else just chalks it up to enemies having better armor plates or some-such as the player average creeps up. I know I did until I found the research.
Yes, two 'is' in a row is intentional. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:19:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:I'm comfortable with sharpshooter increasing the minimum effective range of LRs, since the advantage gained is greater than the equivalent for any other weapon.
As for the main issue: I'm genuinely surprised. I wonder is this true for other weapons capable of overheating? Not sure, I asked people to test them themselves in an enclosed environment but have yet to get any information from, say, a Shotgun specialist on his spread, or an HMG user on his heat buildup. As for the Light Sharpshooter thing, EVE has a basic idea 'You learn a skill, you learned a skill. You can't unlearn it or redeem it, but it'll never hurt you for doing so.' The fact that the skill hurts laser users at all, therefore, may be unintended, and as such I felt that it should be noted with the completely bugged skills. A skill shouldn't hurt your abilities. Plus, having the laser be useless in medium range after a level or two in Light Sharpshooter really sucks if you are unaware of it, and neither the skill nor the Laser description inform the player of this fatal flaw. The only reason anyone is is because Musta Tornius had a lot of free time and a desire to do his job as a beta tester. Everyone else just chalks it up to enemies having better armor plates or some-such as the player average creeps up. I know I did until I found the research. Yes, two 'is' in a row is intentional. I've checked the HMG from level 1 to level 3 and there is an improvement, so at least that skill is working right. It'd be nice to get a dev response to this thread. Keep up the bumping |
Atlas Exenthal
mnemonic.
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:23:00 -
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Bumping because the minimum range being increased w/ the sharpshooter skill is ridiculous and ruins the guns. |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:51:00 -
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Atlas Exenthal wrote:Bumping because the minimum range being increased w/ the sharpshooter skill is ridiculous and ruins the guns.
Thank you for agreeing with that point. I have lost the ability to attack and capture a CRU because of Light Sharpshooter, and I'm the squad's Hacking expert and Logistics suit. I can't get close enough to hack it without being so far out of my new optimal and effective range set as to be useless in all but melee, and seeing as how damn near useless melee is... |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.07 07:11:00 -
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This is the thread that never ends... |
iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
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Posted - 2013.02.07 08:38:00 -
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I didn't know about the other skill upgrades not helping the Laser. I have the first Laser gun and like it.. eventually I want to get the other laser rifles.. the devs should read this thread and shine some light if they will fix or look into this matter |
Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.02.07 11:36:00 -
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Another shameless bump, being as CCP Eterne states that they pay attention to all threads. Interestingly enough, no mention of fixing the Laser skills in the weekly update on bugs/feedback.
Continue the annoyance game until it gets fixed, men X_x; |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.07 18:11:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:This is the thread that never ends... It goes on and on my friends... |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:41:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:This is the thread that never ends... It goes on and on my friends... Yes it's the thread that never ends... |
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