I have not vested in those skills, only operations to unlock the Laser Rifle. Thanks for sharing this information though, I would not have vested in those skills due to me feeling like they are not even needed.

The point of the matter, Kal, is that the skills for Laser Rifle aren't doing anything. Yes, it is a commonly understood fact that the higher skilled you are in a certain skill, the better equipment you can get from said skill. It is also a commonly understood fact that when said skill states that it gives a bonus per level, the player earns said bonus for each level invested.

So it's not 'simply a way to eat SP' in this case. You're thinking of Dropsuits, which in fact do NOT give a bonus, and simply allow access to better gear.

I bitched about this in a few other threads and there still hasn't been any word from CCP. Apparently, it being broken is working as intended.

Welp, CCP says you can't bump threads.

So, Bump. Shameless bump, in fact.

Maybe it isn't that they aren't applying, but that they are acting as if applied at maximum 100% of the time, even when you don't have them. Personally, I think you should overheat well before you've fired off your full clip. Isn't much sense to having overheat take effect--and wear off--when you are reloading.

So does the gun.

Yet again - bump.

Lasers are fun to counter and overall cool weapons. It is sad to hear that skills don't work properly and people prefer using AR/Mass Drivers over the damn Lazzors!

Dont let the Lasors be useless as Nova Knives!

Nothing wrong with Lasers. I use them as my primary Dropsuit and I am having fun with it. I still get taken out. I can kill things reasonable quick. Just leave the lasers as it is an learn all the skill books revolving Light Weapons. You will notice range increase and all that.

Oh I'm sorry? Do I have to reply/quote someone on here to be apart of this convo? No I don't. I did read everyone's post. Sorry also if my grammar is bad. I didn't study basic english in Albania. I didn't know people get touche on this subject.

My previous reply in the thread is basically my opinion and the EXPERIENCE I've had during my beta testing of Dust 514

I'm not angry lol Far from it brah! Just no need to attack me like as if I've broken forum rules. You act like as I've said something so off topic that you must express how fail I am. I'm on topic. With my EXPERIENCE, those skills are working fine for me. For every skill I've put onto sharpshooting and all other skills I've noticed a small advantage when vsing other players with beams.

Thanks for bringing this up, I want to try most weapons and the LR was on my todo list. Seeing how long it takes me to earn SP, you have potentially saved me a lot of time and effort. +Like.

Persistent issue persists.

I'm comfortable with sharpshooter increasing the minimum effective range of LRs, since the advantage gained is greater than the equivalent for any other weapon.

As for the main issue: I'm genuinely surprised. I wonder is this true for other weapons capable of overheating?

Bumping because the minimum range being increased w/ the sharpshooter skill is ridiculous and ruins the guns.

This is the thread that never ends...

It goes on and on my friends...

Lol - bunch of martyrs we Laser Rifle users are.

They're either going to suspend our forum access for constant bumping or lock the thread and ensure even more passionate outcry about the broken skills.

Or, yanno, actually fix them... That's another option, unlikely as it may seem at the moment...

Yeah, good stuff, may just stop with the whole laser / sharpshooter progression, very disappointing that the sharpshooter skill actually forces the laser guy to change his style completely while only helping the other guns completely ..
.and the laser range is only slightly better than an ar.

Any more word on getting these skills either properly fixed or altered in effect?
(skills that list a bonus should really provide some form of edge on the field)

LOL to bad.

Man does have a point.

First of all, Long live the laser problems thread! (Until it's fixed) :) okay now back to business here.

So yea I've realized my range has been affected as well, but with no worries fellas. If you have your weapory skills upgraded you can use the submachine gun as a uber beasty backup for close range. I personally run the blueprint submachine gun with the 80 round mag with all of my laser suits. Still eatin at the control points fellas, no problem whatsoever. The rate of fire is basically your close range beam equivalent, I recommend this to yall but i'm sure plenty of you are already adjusting accordingly.

The laser Rifle is a complete beast when you have a specialized squad with at least two of them. My guys ran with 4 one day, it reminded me of the Void Ray from StarCraft 2. In groups you can just eat entire squads quicker than a cheese sammich.

I needed my advanced nano-injector to revive this thread.

This is probably the wrong thread for this, but I think the laser rifle needs to be reworked. I think a big buff to damage, minimum range doing the same damage. Good so far I know, but now I throw the curve ball. Heat build up needs to the target getting shot. Sort of a damage over time weapon with the "DOT" increasing the longer the beam is on the target. This would bring a rpg feel that this game is missing, as well as getting insta-poped the second a laser touches someone which is unfair and unbalanced. As it stands, a well placed laser is hard to get to because of their more accurate range, and I die in my best suit 600+ total health in the time someone can get 3-6 duvolle rounds on me. That makes it unanswerable in the right hands/location its placed on the map.

Bit of an update to how I feel about these things...

The skills *are* broken, yes, AND the minimum range thing *is* a pain in the ass.
However, the range dealio isn't *that* big a deal.

I've been using the rifles almost exclusively, and I'm sure there are some people who can attest to the fact that I do pretty well with them. I think the biggest issues lie in the current level designs we're given, as well as the absurd amount of damage overlap the ARs put out to where lasers should be working best. Maybe nuking AR range and changing their proficiency from damage to range would be a good solution.

The nature of the LR means you've got to build up heat to do more damage, however many of the maps are congested and feature tons of cover. That makes it extremely difficult to use the LR as you've got to treat it like a sniper/assault hybrid.
If we had larger and/or more open maps I think we'd look at these things a whole lot differently. Currently, most locations which are optimal for lasers are still well inside the range of every basic AR (think Manus Peak skirmish between B/C).

The next thing is basically how good/bad the regular and elm-7 are.

The elm-7 has a *bit* more range, and lets you live in the heat a *little* bit longer, but for all intents and purposes you're better off saving your money (and a ton of fitting) by simply running the regular LR. I'm not sure what the best approach would be to balance that out a bit better, because I don't think the LR is overpowered... moreso that the elm-7 is underpowered.

SMG for the win.

Known issue since before open Beta unless your going for proto you only invest 1 point in laser anything else is a waste. Nothing new here. Move along.