Anybody that says we need a SP CAP is only self entitled looking out for himself! Let be honest, that's what come down to it. It like saying a 10th round draft pick saying he should be payed exactly the same as Michael Jordan, because he doesn't have the time to play but when he does he wants to be payed the same. You honestly think its right for Michael Jordan to be payed the same as a bench warmer? You know how stupid this sounds? Pretty darn stupid. So why the hell do we want this standard in a video game?!?

Having NO SP cap will ruin the game for the vast majority of people, and make it darn near unplayable for new players down the road. O-Z you know this. You are approaching this from a 100% selfish and short-term standpoint on this matter. You probably have your reasons, as to which there is no point in debating. But if you are truly here to help this game for the long term, then there is no option but some sort of skill cap.

No SP cap would not make the game unplayable for new players down the road and I agree with Omni but I also dont care enough to argue this point too hard. A weekly rollover with a large cap would be fine with me so I dont feel like I have to log on and play every single day.

fundamentally untrue; having a cap creates a tiered player base because SP gain rate cannot be increased above it's capped maximum.

the solution is to enable players access to a higher rate of SP gain. If you're rate of SP gain is higher than someone who has more accumulated SP than you then you can catch him/her. simple.

Global SP reserve that allows new characters to progress unrestricted until they reach that number is the OBVIOUS key to any NEW PLAYERS

This is the skill cap that has been discussed and re-hashed for a long time, but ccp hasn't really taken it to heart. I am in full support of a global cap and think that's actually the best solution.

Good post, but CCP is not trying to cater to the Hardcore group, they see that their income is coming from the working stiff who wants a cap.

Kamiya, read again... GLOBAL CAP that is increasing deaily. as in... EVERYONE can catch up.

re-read, and while I still find your post slightly confusing, I'm willing to concede I had a blonde moment. apologies.

As long as there is proper matchmaking, then ideally there should be no skill cap. Hardcores will play with hardcores, casuals will play with casuals.

And as for the longevity of the game being at risk due to people maxing out their characters in a month, CCP will be regularly adding new content and updates to keep you coming back, at least during every new update. It's also important to note that SP will (hopefully) not be the only reason to play the game because of things like conquest, the market, PVE, Jolly cooperation with friends/corp managment, and literally every awesome thing planned for "down the road" will be the meat and potatoes of the game. Not stupid skill points.

SP is almost a non-factor when looking at all the things CCP has planned. The only reason it's such a big deal now is because we have no other content to play with.

re-read, and while I still find your post slightly confusing, I'm willing to concede I had a blonde moment. apologies.

Dust is the only game that has skill caps. No other game like this one.

For me, I hate going online everyday. I might catch up on my days off, but no because it's been capped. I can't catch up because I miss a day or two.

EVE/Dust are different games from other games. They have territories, alliances, etc. It's like a second life warfare. I bought the Skill boost and passive boost so that I can benefit from it, but it looks to me that it only helps me to reach my cap faster. I don't think it gives me more.

For clarity. What we mean is there should be a SP cap in place for ALL PLAYERS. However there should be a global SP reserve meaning CCP has a number at which all players would be from day 1--> present if they played and capped everyday.

Any player that is not near that level would be unrestricted by the CAP until they reach that number so players who take a month off or are just new character can progress unrestricted until they reach that global level(which is increasing every day/week to account for the SP gained if you hit cap every day/week).


For instance take the daily cap of 27,200 and passive boost of 24,000. That is a 51,200/day. Currently it is 13 days since last reset. That mean a person could have potentially earned a total of 665,600 so far.

If a person had both active and passive booster then that number is 76,800/day x 13=998,400 SP so far.

The global reserve for a player without boosters active would be allowed to grind until they reached that number plus the CAP level that they would hit for that week

A person with boosters active would be allowed to reach the higher number.

Once they have caught up the normal CAP would apply.

If they miss a week or more they could again be unrestricted until they reach the number which is growing with each passing week.

The problem with this as you can see is that it would require monitoring of each individual character and also account for booster which could be potentially exploited in an abusive manner by using shorter day boosters and grind away. This from a coding standpoint could be very difficult to manage. (not a programmer but im speculating).

Boosters give you more. The first 4-5 million sp should be uncapped. By than you should be spec perfectly into whatever you want. After than just have a daily cap/weekly cap/ whatever kind of ****** cap you want :)

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A global cap would be the worst thing to hit this game

A guy who sees the big picture!

Why?

Selfish reasons that they wouldn't particularly want to admit to publicly.

you do know that having a sp cap makes new players even harder to catch up to the others

you do know that having a sp cap makes new players even harder to catch up to the others

Stfu and gtfo.

So if you agree that SP isn't a big deal, then why are you guys along with EVERYONE else making it such a big deal?

Because you want to tip the scales to your favor, which is your mojo. You guys play chess when you play. Always making sure you have the upper hand. See it in your approach in here, and in games as well. If things aren't going your way, you pull out the proto's or the tanks, etc.. You always are tactical in what you guys do, to ensure the win. It's the New Eden way. You're taking this SP cap stance with the same approach. Regardless of the gum flapping about it "not mattering", it does matter and you guys are aware of it most of all... which is why you want to gain that advantage again over everyone else.

Like I said in my post, the only reason everyone is making a big deal about it is because it's the only reason to play this beta, currently. CURRENTLY. However in the future, when more content is added, SP will be in the back of every ones minds. You also need to keep in mind that there is only so far a player can develop a specialized character.

It's not like anyone can level up into infinity and immortality.

Playing EVE for years, SP still is very much a big deal... even with all being passive SP. In the end... it matters... a lot.

This is also TOTALLY TRUE :)

Without the CAP, people who would get on to play on their convenience (Since they have other things to do too) would get raged, frustrated and after a while would'nt even bother playing this game. It has been discussed and argued. Everyone showed their concerns.

When it comes to being rewarded, i'm sure the ISK reward and Corporations contracts should be the main focus. Not the SP. That was the intent of this game in the first place right? Planetary Conquest?

Anybody that says we need a SP CAP is only self entitled looking out for himself! Let be honest, that's what come down to it. It like saying a 10th round draft pick saying he should be payed exactly the same as Michael Jordan, because he doesn't have the time to play but when he does he wants to be payed the same. You honestly think its right for Michael Jordan to be payed the same as a bench warmer? You know how stupid this sounds? Pretty darn stupid. So why the hell do we want this standard in a video game?!?

Don't even try to use the argument that SP=skill, that players would be so far ahead with SP. All the gear is flat. Once everybody hits the 2-4mil SP, everybody would have a well to full fitted specialization. Everything after that is just icing on the cake.

Stfu and gtfo.

I think the cap was a great idea. People just want to be super powerful after playing the game for 10 days striaght like that guy did call of duty. Then when someone new play, they want to be impossible to kill and then the new player would stop playing and then never return all because some super dude who never stops playing lol I guess a lot of people just don't like competitive games.

The reason people are clamoring for a cap is very simple. They have an edge on new players and they want to keep that edge.

The funny thing is the same people who swear up and down that it is skill not gear that makes the difference are terrified of everyone having access to all that gear that while somehow not mattering, they use.

I say remove the cap completely, let people play and be rewarded for their time. I have a full time job and plenty of **** to do in the real world so I know without a doubt that without a cap I will "fall behind" quickly, but I don't care. When I do have a day to myself where I can sit down and play then I will be rewarded for my time and those people who are ahead won't be for long.

The other option is to remove all active skillpoints and just use a passive system but CCP will not do this since they are making money selling active boosters.

Having NO SP cap will ruin the game for the vast majority of people, and make it darn near unplayable for new players down the road. O-Z you know this. You are approaching this from a 100% selfish and short-term standpoint on this matter. You probably have your reasons, as to which there is no point in debating. But if you are truly here to help this game for the long term, then there is no option but some sort of skill cap.

This.

I think the problem lies with the concept of MMOFPS and a purely FPS game.

In a purely traditional FPS game, the supposed "skill points" usually just meant unlocking attachments, new guns, scopes and what not. The gain that you get from "skill points" did not have a big impact in the game since a lvl 1 standard gun in a traditional FPS can beat a lvl 99 who has all the bells and whistles gun (scope, foregrip etc.). There were no additional HP nor any additional damage to your weapons. Everyone has the same HP/Gear.

In an MMO, there is no SP CAP (except for hard level cap), true! however, every traditional MMO has a LEVEL RANGE area which restricts and protects the players. This way, newbies, are only designated to a beginner area and so forth. Every time they level up (range) they get to go to another area where everyone are roughly in the same level range. There is basically no conflict between a high level player and a low level player (save for trolls).

Now, the problem lies with the fact that Dust514 is a MMOFPS. This entails, that everyone is pitted at each other with no level distinction. Low-leveled will meet High-leveled players in matches.

The argument for a SP-CAP is this:

The skill points earned in Dust514 substantially affects the player by altering their capability to kill and survive. Thus, a high skill point player will most often than not win over a newbie just on that fact. WE ARE NOT IN A TRADITIONAL FPS NOR A TRADITIONAL MMO. There are no level restrictions and the skill points earned have a substantial effect on a player's survivability.

So, if you lift the SP cap and hardcore no lifers run amok and level all-day everyday, by the end of the week, the "level" disparity will be so high as compared to "casual" gamers that no matter what kind of "catch-up" casual gamers would do, they won't have a fighting chance when pitted against hardcore gamers.

The SP CAP is what's keeping that from happening. Now, don't get me wrong. Our daily SP CAP is not even close to perfect. It does feel like a job where you have play everyday just to keep that level disparity in check. Which is why, I am an avid supporter of a daily cap that rolls over and to appease them hardcore gamers, increase the daily cap a bit as well as the hard cap bonus from 50 to somewhere around 300-400 sp per game.