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fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:39:00 -
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Having NO SP cap will ruin the game for the vast majority of people, and make it darn near unplayable for new players down the road. O-Z you know this. You are approaching this from a 100% selfish and short-term standpoint on this matter. You probably have your reasons, as to which there is no point in debating. But if you are truly here to help this game for the long term, then there is no option but some sort of skill cap. |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:42:00 -
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Omnipotent Zitro wrote:
Anybody that says we need a SP CAP is only self entitled looking out for himself! Let be honest, that's what come down to it. It like saying a 10th round draft pick saying he should be payed exactly the same as Michael Jordan, because he doesn't have the time to play but when he does he wants to be payed the same. You honestly think its right for Michael Jordan to be payed the same as a bench warmer? You know how stupid this sounds? Pretty darn stupid. So why the hell do we want this standard in a video game?!?
This part actually made me chuckle. You're quite the spin doctor now.  |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:45:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:No SP cap would not make the game unplayable for new players down the road and I agree with Omni but I also dont care enough to argue this point too hard. A weekly rollover with a large cap would be fine with me so I dont feel like I have to log on and play every single day.
The daily cap sucks, that is what makes it feel like a job. I had no such feeling about it being a "job" when it was weekly cap. In fact, I looked forward to the weekly cap reset. |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:46:00 -
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Kamiya Musume wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:Having NO SP cap will ruin the game for the vast majority of people, and make it darn near unplayable for new players down the road. O-Z you know this. You are approaching this from a 100% selfish and short-term standpoint on this matter. You probably have your reasons, as to which there is no point in debating. But if you are truly here to help this game for the long term, then there is no option but some sort of skill cap. fundamentally untrue; having a cap creates a tiered player base because SP gain rate cannot be increased above it's capped maximum. the solution is to enable players access to a higher rate of SP gain. If you're rate of SP gain is higher than someone who has more accumulated SP than you then you can catch him/her. simple.
This is the skill cap that has been discussed and re-hashed for a long time, but ccp hasn't really taken it to heart. I am in full support of a global cap and think that's actually the best solution. |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:47:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Global SP reserve that allows new characters to progress unrestricted until they reach that number is the OBVIOUS key to any NEW PLAYERS
This. |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 15:51:00 -
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Kamiya, read again... GLOBAL CAP that is increasing deaily. as in... EVERYONE can catch up. |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:01:00 -
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Kamiya Musume wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:Kamiya, read again... GLOBAL CAP that is increasing deaily. as in... EVERYONE can catch up. re-read, and while I still find your post slightly confusing, I'm willing to concede I had a blonde moment. apologies.
Mine was obviously filled with assumptions, hence the easy confusion. No worries |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:14:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:Protocake JR wrote:As long as there is proper matchmaking, then ideally there should be no skill cap. Hardcores will play with hardcores, casuals will play with casuals.
And as for the longevity of the game being at risk due to people maxing out their characters in a month, CCP will be regularly adding new content and updates to keep you coming back, at least during every new update. It's also important to note that SP will (hopefully) not be the only reason to play the game because of things like conquest, the market, PVE, Jolly cooperation with friends/corp managment, and literally every awesome thing planned for "down the road" will be the meat and potatoes of the game. Not stupid skill points.
SP is almost a non-factor when looking at all the things CCP has planned. The only reason it's such a big deal now is because we have no other content to play with. A guy who sees the big picture!
So if you agree that SP isn't a big deal, then why are you guys along with EVERYONE else making it such a big deal?
Because you want to tip the scales to your favor, which is your mojo. You guys play chess when you play. Always making sure you have the upper hand. See it in your approach in here, and in games as well. If things aren't going your way, you pull out the proto's or the tanks, etc.. You always are tactical in what you guys do, to ensure the win. It's the New Eden way. You're taking this SP cap stance with the same approach. Regardless of the gum flapping about it "not mattering", it does matter and you guys are aware of it most of all... which is why you want to gain that advantage again over everyone else. |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:17:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:
A global cap would be the worst thing to hit this game
Why?
Selfish reasons that they wouldn't particularly want to admit to publicly. |
fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:38:00 -
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Mirana Cheshire wrote:you do know that having a sp cap makes new players even harder to catch up to the others
SP cap in it's current form, yes. |
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fahrenheitM
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:22:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:fahrenheitM wrote:Mr Zitro wrote:Protocake JR wrote:As long as there is proper matchmaking, then ideally there should be no skill cap. Hardcores will play with hardcores, casuals will play with casuals.
And as for the longevity of the game being at risk due to people maxing out their characters in a month, CCP will be regularly adding new content and updates to keep you coming back, at least during every new update. It's also important to note that SP will (hopefully) not be the only reason to play the game because of things like conquest, the market, PVE, Jolly cooperation with friends/corp managment, and literally every awesome thing planned for "down the road" will be the meat and potatoes of the game. Not stupid skill points.
SP is almost a non-factor when looking at all the things CCP has planned. The only reason it's such a big deal now is because we have no other content to play with. A guy who sees the big picture! So if you agree that SP isn't a big deal, then why are you guys along with EVERYONE else making it such a big deal? Because you want to tip the scales to your favor, which is your mojo. You guys play chess when you play. Always making sure you have the upper hand. See it in your approach in here, and in games as well. If things aren't going your way, you pull out the proto's or the tanks, etc.. You always are tactical in what you guys do, to ensure the win. It's the New Eden way. You're taking this SP cap stance with the same approach. Regardless of the gum flapping about it "not mattering", it does matter and you guys are aware of it most of all... which is why you want to gain that advantage again over everyone else. Like I said in my post, the only reason everyone is making a big deal about it is because it's the only reason to play this beta, currently. CURRENTLY. However in the future, when more content is added, SP will be in the back of every ones minds. You also need to keep in mind that there is only so far a player can develop a specialized character. It's not like anyone can level up into infinity and immortality.
Playing EVE for years, SP still is very much a big deal... even with all being passive SP. In the end... it matters... a lot.
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