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Winsaucerer
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Posted - 2013.01.16 12:43:00 -
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ArMaGeDoN The Cat wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g
So, is being sniped by someone who is behind high cliffs kilometers away with only his pixel sized head visible fun?
Great video. Snipers always seem to me to detract from the game. They're fun for no-one but the sniper. Sure, it's satisfying to waste your time hunting them for a few minutes and kill them from behind while they're not expecting it...but you've wasted all that time to get one kill, and it's only because they've been annoying you so much.
Snipers just don't make the game fun for anyone but themselves.
You're running along, all alone, and then suddenly you're dead. Great.
It's not that snipers are OP, or can't be killed. It's just the simple fact that they don't make the game more fun (except for the sniper). |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.17 10:39:00 -
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Slightly-Mental wrote:
you know .. that is one of the roles of a sniper .. to distract and to waste your time.
The more time you waste hunting them down, or hiding for cover the longer the snipper's team has to fulfill their objective.
And for the aspect of "It's just the simple fact that they don't make the game more fun" snipping my not be fun for you, but for others it is..
iam sorry to say, the game or the world doesnt revolve around you or what you deem is "fun" *sorry if this seems harsh but iam getting sick off people whining just for the sake of whining, and iam getting in a pissy mood over it.
Lol, you're "sorry", as though my feelings will be hurt by the great wisdom you've imparted to me. I have a thicker skin than that, and I'm not really worried by someone who is clearly wrong trying to correct me. Leave your self righteous "sick of complaining" at the door. If there's a problem, I'm free to express my complaint just as much as you're free to use your uninformed and unenlightened opinion to try and rebuke my arguments.
As for the substance of your reply, I said in my original post that sniping is fun for snipers and no-one else. I did not say it's no fun for me (when I'm a sniper), nor did I say it's fun for no-one. Nor am I saying that there isn't the odd exception who loves being sniped and dying without warning. Whether or not it's fun for me is irrelevant. Whether it's fun for the sniper is not the whole story. The video explains the point quite well.
So, I'm sorry to say, but the game doesn't revolve around you, Slightly-Mental, or what you deem is "fun", and I'll express my opinion when I feel like it, and if you don't like that some people disagree with you, suck it up. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.17 12:43:00 -
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Slightly-Mental wrote:it wasnt fully directed at you
just sick of the whining,
i dont like driving tanks but iam not whining about them running me over
differant ppl have differant play styles
and the way the whining is atm *not just snippers but on all aspects were going to be running around with bubble guns
For what it's worth, I don't think grenades or tanks are annoying like snipers are. The only other thing in this game that really annoys me is respawning into an enemy or group of enemies, where you're dead before you can move, or surrounded by a bunch of them (a problem on ambush maps, not so much on skirmish). |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.17 23:26:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:
The difference here is that I don't QQ about it- I suit up as a sniper and take them out. If I can't find them and take them out, it's either because they're good (even then I usually get them after a few mistakes) or because they are playing the redline for all it's worth. I have yet to encounter a totally safe sniper vantage point that is not behind the redline.
This just isn't the point. It doesn't matter if you can get them. It doesn't matter if they are or are not OP. The point is that snipers are no fun in the game for anyone but themselves. I don't mind dying in an assault fight, or against most any other weapon, even grenade or tank (at least, current tanks - tanks a couple of builds back or whenever were just plain annoying). It's all part of the battle, and I can learn the weaknesses of the role I'm playing and try to maximise my chances of surviving by playing smart.
But snipers can't be spotted with any kind of ease. You're running along, and then you're dead. Sometimes you have to cross that open space.
Maybe you'll notice the direction the damage came from. So what can you do if you want to stop it? You *have* to suit up as a sniper and shut them down for a minute, or *have* to run up behind them and kill them - take precious minutes out of your game fighting for objectives, to get a minute of reprieve. They're just plain annoying, and not fun. After an assault rifle fight you might think, "yeah, he outplayed me". After a sniper rifle death you'll never think that. You'll just think, "Hey, I was alive, and now I'm dead. Yay!"
Where's the fun? Oh right. For the sniper. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.18 03:11:00 -
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It's like you're not even reading what I say.
Vaerana Myshtana wrote:
I'm in Dust for a larger, complicated, full battlefield game. That includes snipers as part of the mix.
I'm in it for larger, complicated, full battlefield games too - so we share a common agreement! But that may or may not include snipers, depending on whether or not they add to the overall game experience level of fun. Currently, they do not.
Quote:I don't go posting about how Precision Strikes are overpowered and how only unskilled players use them. I'm not posting threads asking CCP to nerf HAVs because I can't kill them with an AR. After all, why should someone have to clone up in an AV fitting that takes away from their ability to engage in a run-and-gun squad fight?
None of these complaints remotely match anything I've been saying - maybe you are confusing me with other posters. Show me where I claimed sniping is op, or that only unskilled players use them, or asked for sniping to be nerfed, or claimed I can't kill snipers. I don't think snipers are OP, I don't think only unskilled players use them, I don't think they need to be nerfed, I don't think I can't kill them. It comes down to one, simple point: they are not fun for anyone but snipers (With the rare masochist exception). They're like mosquitoes or flies...you can deal with them, sure, but they make your experience worse.
Quote:I enjoy complex, multifaceted games that require me to constantly change what I'm doing.
I like this, too! The video discusses this very concept quite well. Snipers, in their current form, don't fit the mould properly. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.18 22:54:00 -
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Let us now examine the rhetoric in your posts:
Vaerana Myshtana wrote:
I still disagree and am just as unlikely to change my viewpoint as you are.
I suspect that CCP agrees that snipers, annoying as they are, are part of the game.
This is nothing but pure rhetoric. It's saying, "we disagree, but the rules are my way, so let's just be quiet because my opinion is the currently prevailing state of affairs". This does not add anything to the argument, since it is implied if not outright stated that some of us desire the prevailing state of affairs to change. Your statement can mean nothing else but rhetoric designed to finish the discussion so that nothing does change. This is confirmed by a later post of yours:
Vaerana Myshtana wrote:
We've established that we are looking for different things in the game. Clearly, here are other people who disagree with you.
It's time to let this thread die.
But no, it's not just the case that "other people disagree with" us. There are others here who have posted agreement as well. Our (or my) argument is that snipers in their current form, all other things being equal, reduce the level of fun. Arguments on the contrary side include things like, "I have fun being a sniper", or "It's more realistic to have snipers", or "I think it adds more dimensions". The first two are sucky arguments, and the latter would be a good one if it were correct or if there weren't better ways to add more dimensions that are less annoying. I'm sure snipers can be done better in a way that adds more dimensions but doesn't make the game annoying for most other players.
Vaerana Myshtana wrote:
Take a look at EVE- "Disco Domis" and other "suicide ganking" techniques annoy the HOLY SNOT out of a lot of players. It is not unheard of for miners in high-security space to lose ships worth several hundred million ISK to a ship that cost less than a single hundred million. Until recently, it was even possible for the suicide ganker to get most of their loss reimbursed by insurance.
CCP's sole concession, after YEARS of QQ, was to stop giving insurance reimbursements.
What a terrible example. Snipers are present in virtually every battle you play in dust, sometimes multiple snipers on each side. As for disco domis, I've seen maybe one in all my years playing EVE. The level of prevailence, the general irritation it causes the overall eve population, is miniscule. Disco domis are reserved for a particular subset of eve players, and of that subset only a small subset are affected. Are you suggesting that we somehow work to ensure that snipers fit a similar pattern? That they're in very few games, and of those games they're in that they affect only a small subset of the players in that game? If not, what good is your example?
And, as I'm sure you know, you can let this thread die by simply ceasing to reply. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.19 13:34:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Vaerana Myshtana wrote:You continue to argue as if your definition of "fun", is, well... definitive. You probably mean to use the word "subjective", not "definitive". If it were a definitive definition, you wouldn't be suggesting I'm wrong.
I think he said it right the first time. He thinks you think your definition is definitive, and that you're wrong to think that it is. |
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