Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

dude the reason we laser rifle users get so many kills is ppl are to ignorant to how they work and run full speed to us at optimal. No tactics, they deserve to die.

and what happens when your face to face with a shotgun or AR at close range? Laser deal 50% damage at 30m. 20% at 15m. Are ou kidding me? Overpowered? you have to be kidding me, try playing in a corp match. instead of people who stand still for you to kill them.

Not to mention lasers don't go up in damage. So as dropsuits start to fight with higher hp, lasers will not gain a damage boost. It's role becomes weaker as heavies gain more and more armor over shields, which the weapon counters. It deals 125% damage to shields. 75% to armor. I think if anything they could bring it's damage to armor down to 50%. But it should always tear a shield to pieces. Shield tanks run in fear. Unless you have a shotgun, then your dead.

and what happens when your face to face with a shotgun or AR at close range? Laser deal 50% damage at 30m. 20% at 15m. Are ou kidding me? Overpowered? you have to be kidding me, try playing in a corp match. instead of people who stand still for you to kill them.

Not to mention lasers don't go up in damage. So as dropsuits start to fight with higher hp, lasers will not gain a damage boost. It's role becomes weaker as heavies gain more and more armor over shields, which the weapon counters. It deals 125% damage to shields. 75% to armor. I think if anything they could bring it's damage to armor down to 50%. But it should always tear a shield to pieces. Shield tanks run in fear. Unless you have a shotgun, then your dead.

Lasers need to overheat more quickly. The heat mechanic isn't a limitation at all.

You switch to a smg or pistol at close range problem solved. All weapons have optimal range and fall off range so thats not an excuse. Anyone who is being honest will tell you lasers are broken and as a laser fanboi I can say at much. I love them but they are broken

I'm thinking you just don't really like em and as what has happend to most of this game, you guys ***** and moan until the nerf hammer drops, then it becomes useless because you don't see a point having something like that in a fps, look at the missile turrets ffs, might as well be removed. look at the AR diffrences in tiers, oh wait! there isn't one. You know how that happend? ppl like you, leave it alone, tweak the visim some if you want.

You are speaking to 2 totally different things here. First lasers are broken and there isn't any reason to rehash that.

The other point is that when we say stuff is broken we never hear about it till ccp says "they fixed it" in patch notes. They would never really dicuss it with us or ask us for solutions or throw stuff at us about idea to fix it. Nope they just hammer it as they see fit. Which is their problem and sadly, not a damn thing we can do about it. Trust me about every thing they have nerfed need to be tweeked but not the the extreme they do things.

Summary: laser is broken and CCP will probably nerf it to make it worthless

This damage isn't the really the main issue, it's the fact you can consistently fire through almost your entire ammo supply without any worries.

Summary: laser is broken and CCP will probably nerf it to make it worthless

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

The same as the TAC AR? Are you stupid? The TAC AR had more range, better rate of fire then normal AR's and it got abused by modded controller users. Now shut up or im going to post every day about grenades until they get nerfed. Cause thats the only thing that you are good at. Oh and you was sitting on the pipes to keep optimal range how about you get up close and then shot at somebody.

No further qeustions needed. You dont get up close with a Laser cause its crap in that situation. Thats the balance factor. No changes needed. And love from the impotents? I dont give a damn about it. When you post something dumb then i wont hold back only cause you are in the same corp as i. And a grenade nerf? Right how about this:
blast radius: 1m
damage: 100HP
fuse timer 10 secs
that should get them on par with missiles and with that the balance of n00b weapons is again in the right order.

Good, I've been asking for a nade nerf since the start of this build. I've written two threads and posted in several others.

And really? The only thing I'm good at? I get more love from the fu..ing Imperfects than I get from you, despite performing among the top 10 in SI. A little respect please.

You think that camping a pipe with an OP laser makes you god at it? LOL.

Edit: And why would I ever go up close with a laser?

Welcome to the club KingBabar.

I don't use the LR myself, but in my opinion it's pretty obvious that something needs to be changed about it. The problem with the LR is that they instantly kill any non-heavy, and to a certain degree heavies as well, once they're heated up.

A solution could be to further limit damage dealt to armor, making them almost only a counter to shields. The problem with this is that the LR then becomes a pure support weapon, since you need someone else to finish people off when you've killed their shield.

Another solution is to (if CCP wants to keep them doing more damage the longer you have been firing) raise the initial damage it does slightly, while lowering the max damage quite a lot, so that the gap between the initial damage and max damage is lessened.

Another problem currently is that the standard LR overheats with 20 shots left (right?) without any skills whatsoever. In my opinion that could be raised to 40 or 50 shots instead. In comparison the standard HMG with HMG operation 1 overheats after using a little more than half the clip (I think).

How on earth is darks trolling a general consensus for SI? Stop this bull now and grow up the both of you.
Or just get a room and clear the sexual tension, your both great players and shock horror have a different opinion on lasers. Big deal talk about it like adults the both of you.

Personally I donGÇÖt mind the lower tier ones as they are . Maybe the vizams a little bit too scary but either way I think all lasers should take more cpu / pg to prevent them from allowing the user to also be a CQB ninja with a proto pistol or smg.
My fix is probably horrible but hey itGÇÖs an idea and from bad ones can come good ones.

But but, he started it....

Slight problem here...

As a heavy, you don't move so well, they can keep that laser on you pretty easy, so while it may not eat armor as well as shields...that's not a disadvantage to the laser rifle, that's a benefit for the heavy....there's a difference.

Yes he did and its because he's worried ccp will mess up the balancing as they always do.
Being the bigger man though you just moved on and Im proud of you all my little cuddly huggable mercs
u all my little cudduly huggable mercs

How on earth is darks trolling a general consensus for SI? Stop this bull now and grow up the both of you.
Or just get a room and clear the sexual tension, your both great players and shock horror have a different opinion on lasers. Big deal talk about it like adults the both of you.

Personally I donGÇÖt mind the lower tier ones as they are . Maybe the vizams a little bit too scary but either way I think all lasers should take more cpu / pg to prevent them from allowing the user to also be a CQB ninja with a proto pistol or smg.
My fix is probably horrible but hey itGÇÖs an idea and from bad ones can come good ones.

and what happens when your face to face with a shotgun or AR at close range? Laser deal 50% damage at 30m. 20% at 15m. Are ou kidding me? Overpowered? you have to be kidding me, try playing in a corp match. instead of people who stand still for you to kill them.

Not to mention lasers don't go up in damage. So as dropsuits start to fight with higher hp, lasers will not gain a damage boost. It's role becomes weaker as heavies gain more and more armor over shields, which the weapon counters. It deals 125% damage to shields. 75% to armor. I think if anything they could bring it's damage to armor down to 50%. But it should always tear a shield to pieces. Shield tanks run in fear. Unless you have a shotgun, then your dead.

@ Bentner, good suggestion.

I don't want to see the laser nerfed into uselessness like for example the missile turrets. But I do have a problem with them burning through 500 HP in a second or so.

My experience from yesterday was like this:

1. I start fireing at someone doing a little damage, they start to panic and run away, dodge and so on.
2. I just keep fireing this constant 100% accurate, recoil less beam and by this time the damage output was so big that a mere thouch of an enemy was nough to put them down.

I didn't have much opposition to be honest. So in all fairness, I'll try it again today and see if I still go 13-3 and 15-2 without upgrading it at all.

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

Laser does go up in damage. The Viziam is 20 instead of the 15 the Elm and standard laser.

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

Welcome to the club KingBabar.

I don't use the LR myself, but in my opinion it's pretty obvious that something needs to be changed about it. The problem with the LR is that they instantly kill any non-heavy, and to a certain degree heavies as well, once they're heated up.

A solution could be to further limit damage dealt to armor, making them almost only a counter to shields. The problem with this is that the LR then becomes a pure support weapon, since you need someone else to finish people off when you've killed their shield.

Another solution is to (if CCP wants to keep them doing more damage the longer you have been firing) raise the initial damage it does slightly, while lowering the max damage quite a lot, so that the gap between the initial damage and max damage is lessened.

Another problem currently is that the standard LR overheats with 20 shots left (right?) without any skills whatsoever. In my opinion that could be raised to 40 or 50 shots instead. In comparison the standard HMG with HMG operation 1 overheats after using a little more than half the clip (I think).

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

Your wrong about a few things, (and believe the following as i have been testing the laser rifle for the entire last build) The range of a laser rifle is NOT insane, its default range is actually LESS then an AR, and it only appears it has good range because of the amount of damage it does at range. your right about the "zero recoil" but the gun is firing lasers not bullets, what the hell would give it recoil to begin with? your guys breathing maybe?? Secondly your Laser rifle does NOT overheat at 8, with a LR operation level of 1, i can gaurantee you that because mine overheats at 20, and has followed that pattern since the laser rifle first came out.

Now if you want to camp on a pipe and laser people in a certain area, be my guess, but if you try that against any decent players that sh**t wont last long before you either get sniped, or flanked by somebody who knows how to end the bs. The laser rifle is meant to lock down open fields and its good at doing that. If your using the laser rifle without some sort of sidearm then your doing it wrong, but any AR user whos half decent shouldn't have a problem overpowering an SMG with an AR.

see increased fittings is a great fix, I like it

Same with mass drivers if they seem to effective now that they actully work more than 20% of the time, are seemlying OP. Maybe they should cost a bit more powergrid and cpu. Increasing the commitment you have to make into fitting skills.

Or they could use a fitting mod. So they could fit a close range SMG and laser, but that would mean they have to give up a low slot. I think that's a great balance idea.

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

How on earth is darks trolling a general consensus for SI? Stop this bull now and grow up the both of you.
Or just get a room and clear the sexual tension, your both great players and shock horror have a different opinion on lasers. Big deal talk about it like adults the both of you.

Personally I donGÇÖt mind the lower tier ones as they are . Maybe the vizams a little bit too scary but either way I think all lasers should take more cpu / pg to prevent them from allowing the user to also be a CQB ninja with a proto pistol or smg.
My fix is probably horrible but hey itGÇÖs an idea and from bad ones can come good ones.

@ Kerosini; best post about lasers to date, +1

And a brief report from day 2 with a laser. Its still dominating in most games and still extremely effective with roughly a measly 12.5 K skillpoints invested.

I tried several times to fire it from a full clip to the point where it overheats. The lowest number I got was 9. A little strange that it varies but there it is.

This damage isn't the really the main issue, it's the fact you can consistently fire through almost your entire ammo supply without any worries.

The regular LR and ELM are fine, they do damage on par with other weapons of their class. The reason they seem so awesome right now is the suit HP and some new players don't understand their mechanics.

The regular LR and ELM are fine, they do damage on par with other weapons of their class. The reason they seem so awesome right now is the suit HP and some new players don't understand their mechanics.

The Viziam might need some looking at...

The regular LR and ELM are fine, they do damage on par with other weapons of their class. The reason they seem so awesome right now is the suit HP and some new players don't understand their mechanics.

The Viziam might need some looking at...

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

dude the reason we laser rifle users get so many kills is ppl are to ignorant to how they work and run full speed to us at optimal. No tactics, they deserve to die.

I love them but they are broken

What the hell? I just turn away for a short amount of time and the crap continues. And Sha i dont care if its a SI guy or not i allways say whats floating my mind stright. And Regnum shock collar doesnt work i just become like cartman and have super powers like shoting every 1 with a lightning ( a dark cloud that hits you with a lightning lol). If you really want a "adjustment" then i could live with the following damage changes:
STD= 15HP
ADV= 16.5 HP
PRO= 18HP

this way the so called "OMG OP VIZIAM" gets nerfed to a degree that it is not "insane" as you guys would put it. And the ELM-7 would get a slight buff which it needs to justify more ISK/PG+CPU. Cause at the moment there is no use for the ADV variant which annoys me. And the 4 rounds more till overheating are not really beneficial. Well some time ago the ELM-7 never overheated an with that it had a damn good reason to cost more ISK/PG+CPU

Lasers need to be looked at.

dude the reason we laser rifle users get so many kills is ppl are to ignorant to how they work and run full speed to us at optimal. No tactics, they deserve to die.

Lasers at range actually the DIRECT counter to all kinds of Heavies.

The regular LR and ELM are fine, they do damage on par with other weapons of their class. The reason they seem so awesome right now is the suit HP and some new players don't understand their mechanics.

The Viziam might need some looking at...