Slight problem here...

As a heavy, you don't move so well, they can keep that laser on you pretty easy, so while it may not eat armor as well as shields...that's not a disadvantage to the laser rifle, that's a benefit for the heavy....there's a difference.

Yes he did and its because he's worried ccp will mess up the balancing as they always do.
Being the bigger man though you just moved on and Im proud of you all my little cuddly huggable mercs
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How on earth is darks trolling a general consensus for SI? Stop this bull now and grow up the both of you.
Or just get a room and clear the sexual tension, your both great players and shock horror have a different opinion on lasers. Big deal talk about it like adults the both of you.

Personally I donGÇÖt mind the lower tier ones as they are . Maybe the vizams a little bit too scary but either way I think all lasers should take more cpu / pg to prevent them from allowing the user to also be a CQB ninja with a proto pistol or smg.
My fix is probably horrible but hey itGÇÖs an idea and from bad ones can come good ones.

and what happens when your face to face with a shotgun or AR at close range? Laser deal 50% damage at 30m. 20% at 15m. Are ou kidding me? Overpowered? you have to be kidding me, try playing in a corp match. instead of people who stand still for you to kill them.

Not to mention lasers don't go up in damage. So as dropsuits start to fight with higher hp, lasers will not gain a damage boost. It's role becomes weaker as heavies gain more and more armor over shields, which the weapon counters. It deals 125% damage to shields. 75% to armor. I think if anything they could bring it's damage to armor down to 50%. But it should always tear a shield to pieces. Shield tanks run in fear. Unless you have a shotgun, then your dead.

@ Bentner, good suggestion.

I don't want to see the laser nerfed into uselessness like for example the missile turrets. But I do have a problem with them burning through 500 HP in a second or so.

My experience from yesterday was like this:

1. I start fireing at someone doing a little damage, they start to panic and run away, dodge and so on.
2. I just keep fireing this constant 100% accurate, recoil less beam and by this time the damage output was so big that a mere thouch of an enemy was nough to put them down.

I didn't have much opposition to be honest. So in all fairness, I'll try it again today and see if I still go 13-3 and 15-2 without upgrading it at all.

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

Laser does go up in damage. The Viziam is 20 instead of the 15 the Elm and standard laser.

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

Welcome to the club KingBabar.

I don't use the LR myself, but in my opinion it's pretty obvious that something needs to be changed about it. The problem with the LR is that they instantly kill any non-heavy, and to a certain degree heavies as well, once they're heated up.

A solution could be to further limit damage dealt to armor, making them almost only a counter to shields. The problem with this is that the LR then becomes a pure support weapon, since you need someone else to finish people off when you've killed their shield.

Another solution is to (if CCP wants to keep them doing more damage the longer you have been firing) raise the initial damage it does slightly, while lowering the max damage quite a lot, so that the gap between the initial damage and max damage is lessened.

Another problem currently is that the standard LR overheats with 20 shots left (right?) without any skills whatsoever. In my opinion that could be raised to 40 or 50 shots instead. In comparison the standard HMG with HMG operation 1 overheats after using a little more than half the clip (I think).

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

Your wrong about a few things, (and believe the following as i have been testing the laser rifle for the entire last build) The range of a laser rifle is NOT insane, its default range is actually LESS then an AR, and it only appears it has good range because of the amount of damage it does at range. your right about the "zero recoil" but the gun is firing lasers not bullets, what the hell would give it recoil to begin with? your guys breathing maybe?? Secondly your Laser rifle does NOT overheat at 8, with a LR operation level of 1, i can gaurantee you that because mine overheats at 20, and has followed that pattern since the laser rifle first came out.

Now if you want to camp on a pipe and laser people in a certain area, be my guess, but if you try that against any decent players that sh**t wont last long before you either get sniped, or flanked by somebody who knows how to end the bs. The laser rifle is meant to lock down open fields and its good at doing that. If your using the laser rifle without some sort of sidearm then your doing it wrong, but any AR user whos half decent shouldn't have a problem overpowering an SMG with an AR.

see increased fittings is a great fix, I like it

Same with mass drivers if they seem to effective now that they actully work more than 20% of the time, are seemlying OP. Maybe they should cost a bit more powergrid and cpu. Increasing the commitment you have to make into fitting skills.

Or they could use a fitting mod. So they could fit a close range SMG and laser, but that would mean they have to give up a low slot. I think that's a great balance idea.

Yeah baby yeah! Get fried much?

- "Its so hard too use cause you need to keep the beam on your target."

BS!

When that baby heats up you merely need to glance a target and they're down.

And with an insane range, 100% accuracy and no recoil at all, and not least a proper sight, they are just so easy to use. Its like a modded controller fireing a tac AR from previous build. I could even fire 92 out of 100 "bullets" before it over heated. Whats that about?

-"They should be this insanely OP cause they're only useful at range." The last part might be true, but there are such things as SMGs, Scramblers and not least EZ-mode nades that should be enough for those face to face encounters. If you're stuck in the open fireing at an AR wielder at medium range then you're obviously doing it wrong.

I am amazed at how effective it was with only one level of skill and with only level 3 of weaponry. I used 2 +5% damage mods, I can only imagine what would happen with a proto suit, with a proto laser and tripple +10 mods....

If you camp a pipe and go 22-0, don't delude yourself, anyone half decent can do it.

I use 60 bullet ARs exclusively on my main account and do a pretty decent job with them. That I do cause I'm awsome, obviously, and because I put nearly all my skills into sharpshooter, recoil dampening, reload speed and damage buffs. If I were to use the same amount of skillpoints on my AR as I did with this laser, I wouldn't be competitive at a.

How on earth is darks trolling a general consensus for SI? Stop this bull now and grow up the both of you.
Or just get a room and clear the sexual tension, your both great players and shock horror have a different opinion on lasers. Big deal talk about it like adults the both of you.

Personally I donGÇÖt mind the lower tier ones as they are . Maybe the vizams a little bit too scary but either way I think all lasers should take more cpu / pg to prevent them from allowing the user to also be a CQB ninja with a proto pistol or smg.
My fix is probably horrible but hey itGÇÖs an idea and from bad ones can come good ones.

@ Kerosini; best post about lasers to date, +1

And a brief report from day 2 with a laser. Its still dominating in most games and still extremely effective with roughly a measly 12.5 K skillpoints invested.

I tried several times to fire it from a full clip to the point where it overheats. The lowest number I got was 9. A little strange that it varies but there it is.

This damage isn't the really the main issue, it's the fact you can consistently fire through almost your entire ammo supply without any worries.