Disagree Aeon. It's Dust, not EvE. In EvE I can avoid PvP. I can scan, mine, produce, do planetary interaction and more. Sorry, but Dust is pure conflict. Even PvE. In EvE, continued character growth = -ú10 a month.

I want to hear a good reason why people DON'T want nOObs in 2 years to catch you for total SP? There's no GOOD reason when it's not a subscription, and I've not seen anyone say anything except "this is EVE" which is bollocks.

I echo almost everything Mavado says on this topic. Us diehard MAG vets know a bit about keeping people playing the same 3 maps for 3 years ;) Player retention/attraction is going to be a VERY important factor in Dust. Unless in 2 years y'all still want Dark Cloud and the Zitros throwing poo at each other.

No. But i think that you should get those SP you fought for. The SP you get for being in the battle arent really earned by you. You get them if you stay in the MCC and run circles aswell as you fight on the battlefield. It would be just your WP you get always so just about 1500 SP.

Then why the **** should I play for two years when some ******* just picking up the game can ace me in less time?

Edit: I'd also like to bring up the high-sec / low-sec / null-sec arguments which (should) have variable rewards based on the risk. If home dude wants to "catch up" he can go out to null-sec and fight the good fight. These battles are in high-sec and if we're both in the same playing field there SHOULD NOT BE ANY REASON that he should catch up. None. Defeats the entire purpose. It's just rewarding people who have absolutely nothing to do with their time because they have a pension fund.

See my post on reversing the reward tables. Would make a lot more sense.

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And we're deploying in a world (New Eden) where the most important is not the SPs, but ISK... When you hit the cap, then take your milicia stuff and go farm some, for you or your corp.

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Quoted for Truth.

Trust us EVE players, we know what's what. Skill Points aren't important, Interstellar Kredits (ISK) are. Go ask any EVE player who is the best and why. I seriously doubt you will get any answers involving skill points. It's all about the Corps they run, the ISK they've stolen, the loot they've pillaged, the value of their bounty, the ISK loss of ships they've destroyed. EPeen in EVE is ISK.

ISK is what differentiates a noob from a veteran. It's like real life. No one really cares about your education. All they care about is how much money you have.

So please stop this "SP is the most important thing!" rant, accept the cap, and go make ISK. Because I don't care if you have 8 million or just 80 SP - whoever has the most ISK is the better player.

Quoted for Truth.

Trust us EVE players, we know what's what. Skill Points aren't important, Interstellar Kredits (ISK) are. Go ask any EVE player who is the best and why. I seriously doubt you will get any answers involving skill points. It's all about the Corps they run, the ISK they've stolen, the loot they've pillaged, the value of their bounty, the ISK loss of ships they've destroyed. EPeen in EVE is ISK.

ISK is what differentiates a noob from a veteran. It's like real life. No one really cares about your education. All they care about is how much money you have.

So please stop this "SP is the most important thing!" rant, accept the cap, and go make ISK. Because I don't care if you have 8 million or just 80 SP - whoever has the most ISK is the better player.

Good news for everyone.

The server will be linked to TQ this week which means we can atleast organise a Jita riot. For all those who don't play Eve, CCP famously do not listen to their players about game mechanics, regardless of giving us a feedback forum, and as a result there have been a couple of riots in Eve over the past few years.

Eve players log on, shoot the statue in Jita and overload the server. This has caused the formation of the CSM, a group of Eve players who represent us similar to a union.

This is hard proof that CCP are not listening to you, regardless of how good your suggestions are, they do not care... Afterall, their developers obviously know better than the collective thoughts made up of the few thousand people playing the game.

The SP cap is still a load of rubbish as it makes the game pointless for anyone who wants to play more than 90 mins in one day and it now puts even more stress on the purchasing of boosts driving more of a rift between those who pay and those who don't.

Alas, we have to conceed that there is nothing we can do about this until the server goes live. Then we can deal with it the only way CCP is prepared to hear us.

Really..?

CCP implementing a skill cap = CCP ignoring us completely = We need to riot?

Wow. I'm a software developer and thank god I went into the Oil Industry instead of Video Games. People don't bat an eye when gas prices go up, but implement a skill cap in a Free to Play Game and people turn insane.

Hilarity.

i've posted here with additional info on how this affects people who can't play every day - in short passive SP boosters are needed if you can't play daily

Everyone seems to agree that a daily cap without some kind of roll over for people who can't play daily isn't good.

You also seem to agree, mostly, that CCP deserves to make some money off this game.

You might know where this is going by now ... and the little troll in your head is starting to grow !

So what would you all think if they introduced a new AUR item, some kind of 'sp bank' that once plugged in allows your clone to begin buffering some daily caps for say 3, 7, 14 or 30 days, allowing you to come back after a weeks holiday and grind back the caps you missed out on.

Casuals can stay competitive in the long run at a cost of real money and the jobless can play all day every day in a still F2P game ... it's not pay2win so thats not an issue.

I'm not sure I'd buy them myself, we'll have to see, but it's a solution if they're that keen on keeping the daily cap.

well looks like buying boosters are worthless now. CCP wont have my monies :D

In which sort of MMO a newbie can catch up a 2 years-old player ?

This is a non sense, as DUST is name as MMO/FPS.

Add to this that DUST need to be on the same SP gain than EVE...

Well, it's not perfect yet, but it sounds good to me. Just fix the instant battle, where proto suits 10M SP can't face beginner with milicia 1M SP. That's all, no matter the way SPs are earn.

I repeat : it's a MMO, you need to play everyday, doing special missions, dealing with diplomatie, industry etc ... to be the best (on SP side ;)). It is not just a FPS.

The only way newbie can catch up a vet : the vet doesn"t use boosters anymore, newbie does. Oups, sorry, it's a MMO/FPS F2P !!! Welcome to FPS players in the MMO world !!!

I agree with rolling cap because I can't play on Mondays and Wednesdays and probably won't play some days neither, so it would benefit me to equalize the playing field.

However, I feel like this SP cap is somewhat tolerable. It's slow, only because we perceive it to be slow. It gives a good buffer for the players who go against people playing before them. It also promotes tactical play, because people with lots of SP and access to top notch things can just mop the floor, such as Exmaple Core (you're my hero in dust btw, as you set the bar high for when I go to kill you). A daily cap also makes sure that at least everyday you can play a little dust and have it be worthwhile, but again the rolling cap would be good there.

It also supports the CCP business model, which is to have a good game that's free to play but the most attractive things on the market cost real currency (SP Booster), so that means CCP will actually put some time into Dust should this cap attract money from boosters. You have to understand that they are a company and are out for money too, but they're more independent and friendly than others. So at least money will be flowing through Dust.

The SP cap also makes the game more difficult. You're going to have to make decisions and you're going to have to deal with their consequences, instead of just blowing 12K in SP because you have made 20K+ in one match. So it promotes specialization which=more dynamic battlefields, as the people can't be gods against everything at least for a long time.

There could be a new booster added aswell. It increases the amount of days thats remaining SP get added.

Here are the details regarding the skill point reward system change at downtime today. To make comparisons between the old and the new system easier, weGÇÖve included outlines of both below.

Old system:

Weekly cycle (reset every Tuesday)
Weekly allowance of 190,400 SP per week (7x 27,200 SP, hard-capped)
Diminishing returns on warpoints and time spent GÇô the more you play, the less you get (until you hit the cap)
No consolation prize GÇô once you hit the cap, you get nothing


New system:

Daily cycle (reset at downtime)
Daily allowance of 27,200 SP per day (hard-capped)
Linear returns to warpoints and time spent GÇô the better you play, the more you earn (until you hit the cap)
- Warpoints earned are converted into skillpoints (1 WP = 1 SP)
- Time spent in battle grants SP (1 second = 5 SP)
- Consolation prize of 50 SP per battle once the daily cap has been hit

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Seriously? 27,200 SP a day?

This translates to a maximum of 90 minutes of in-game time per day, less when you factor in war points and whatever else other than time spent in battle that gives SP, making the grind for SP even more tedious and removing any incentive for players to continue playing after the cap has been hit (which a good player could hit in just a handful of games...).