OK great. Let us know about it. I can sure lock from behind covers, all you have to do is find and edge of the cover and keep any corner of the locking screen slightly outside the cover, press and hold R1 and then play peek a boo

So you are admitting, right here, that you cannot lock a target while completely behind cover? You are admitting that some part of the targeting box has to be on the target, correct? That is the way its supposed to be. Get over it already.

Here's a couple of ideas to balance the Swarm Launcher for you to debate ...

1. Buff your HAVs hit points but give the AV weapons a personal shield booster ... increasing your dropsuit shields when that weapon is equipped ... this would need balancing between the forge and swarm for the heavy and assault classes, very carefully because the heavy can use the swarm if you give the swarm a larger shield bonus ... maybe the forge doesn't need it ... I don't know, I don't use it.

Or ...

2. Allow the Swarms to be blind fired again like they used to, but give the missiles an activation range of 5m+ so we don't go back to the SUPER shotgun days of old ... giving it an anti infantry use like the forge has.

Thoughts ... opinions ... other ideas ...

1. We have the same problem running swarms ... armor plates slow us down too which means we're easy pickings for other infantry. I certainly have noticed the difference in speed ... it's one of the reasons I switched from my maxed Surya to Swarms half way through E3, Surya was too slow against Sagaris and too weak when there was only 1 viable fitting, top rep, top plate and enough pg mods to fit them, I did have some success stacking the resistance mods but not much use at the time. I'd have gone to Forge but heavy suit isn't for me.

2. Yeah but there's the balance against infantry to be considered aswell ... Forge may have to expose himself to the vehicle but can stand a pounding from it or infantry and deal serious damage to infantry aswell ... Swarm cannot, he has to run and hide and use cover ... he is near useless against infantry but his use of cover works against vehicles and infantry.

You know what I think could be a major factor in this debate ... the fact that dropships aren't much use these days ... they used to be a nuisance to a swarm user cos they could survive a few hits, easily spot the launcher, get to him and take him out with missiles ... maybe there's the solution to all this ... make dropships effective again !

For the 900th time, ive got yet another solution to fix the imbalance. We all know the issue, infantry is too effective with av and vehicles arnt effective enough with anti infantry. Infantry in able to use peek a book tactics and hide behind obstacle. Vehicle have to attempt to run or hide. But even when you do hide the missles track you behind cover and hit you at a 90 degree angle literally.

So to offset this severe disadvantage i propose a very simple solution. Make the swarm launchers a heavy weapon to hinder movement slightly. We have heavy militia suits already, just equip it with a standard scrambler and other basic militia type stuff and there you go. Now they cant ninja everywhere. They'll even have more h.p, and any AV weapon should be classified heavy anyway.

Im not saying the swarm launchers are over powered, theyre not. They are just far too effective and imbalanced. I am merely trying to balance the game out. Makes sense to me that they are listed as heavy anyway, damn things look heavy enough.

If you dont know what i'm talking about then dont comment, atleast read what i said and all the other players have said before acting all smart. If you want to be ignorant and in denial then thats your choice. We have been testing the swarm for quite sometime now, and trust me its very easy to lock on from behind the covers without the tanker getting any chance to defend. All the tanker can do is shoot at the damn 2 feet rock that can easily protect the SL user. I run a Type I AR suit + Scattermind swarm + AV gerandes and i can easily make a Surya run. SO you wanna tell me thats balanced?

If thats the way its supposed to be, then so be it. Some people need the handicap. No matter how much i hate it, i will still keep trying to balance this unbalanced weapon in my own way. Not butthurt or anything. If they dont fix it or tweak it, i dont care. Not scared to loose tanks to cheap shots. I can afford it.

For the 900th time, ive got yet another solution to fix the imbalance. We all know the issue, infantry is too effective with av and vehicles arnt effective enough with anti infantry. Infantry in able to use peek a book tactics and hide behind obstacle. Vehicle have to attempt to run or hide. But even when you do hide the missles track you behind cover and hit you at a 90 degree angle literally.

So to offset this severe disadvantage i propose a very simple solution. Make the swarm launchers a heavy weapon to hinder movement slightly. We have heavy militia suits already, just equip it with a standard scrambler and other basic militia type stuff and there you go. Now they cant ninja everywhere. They'll even have more h.p, and any AV weapon should be classified heavy anyway.

Im not saying the swarm launchers are over powered, theyre not. They are just far too effective and imbalanced. I am merely trying to balance the game out. Makes sense to me that they are listed as heavy anyway, damn things look heavy enough.

My biggest beef with swarm launcher is their range. I wish there were images of map available so I can draw them, but I've had people up in the mountains shoot me, where only a sniper might be able to take them out. It doesn't matter how much I back up or move, they'll just continue to follow me.

So basically if I'm in an open field, I'm royally screwed. Even if I do manage to survive, I'm basically trapped. I can't move back out in the open again because I'll get shot at, and while I'm sitting, the enemy is approaching me with AV grenades and forge guns.


Just take Battlefield's lead with tanks. A lock on rocket launcher with no counter to it is just lazy. At least make it guided (you have to manually maneuver the rocket after you shoot it).

Basically tanks cannot DODGE AV attacks. Forge guns are instant rocket launchers essentially. Again, swarm launchers are lock on rocket launchers. When you take away all the sci-fi away from it, it's just very newbie friendly. There's no timing involved with the rockets, no accounting for gravity.

Make the swarm launchers slow moving, but powerful guided missles.
Make the forge guns either very fast or instant lasers, but low damage.

These two things will also balance them against dropships as well (a good pilot could probably dodge the guided missles, although with skill you could also hit them, and the forge guns will definitely drive away, but not kill a dropship in about two shots).

Get rid of AV grenades, as it basically allows anyone to become AV. Being AV should be a tradeoff or sacrifice, you shouldn't be able to kill infantry and vehicles, you need to have weaknesses. Instead force people to get up really close to the tank with the remote detonators if they really want to eat their cake and have it too.

Are you serious? I mean really think about what you are saying. Pretend two of the best tank players are red lining you, and you can't use swarms because you need to guide them but the enemy snipers are popping you before doing that, and your forge gun is now just tickling the tanks. Let's run up to the tank then! Wait AV GRENADES don't exists according to your proposal. Your idea would turn this game into a tank fest. Do you remember when tanks had the ability to solo a whole team? It would be the return of that, but worse.

They're not overpowered, just make your HAV stronger, I fired a whole swarm at a HAV driver all of them hit and he only lost 10% of his shield. Hardly effective VS a well built HAV/Dropship

I don't see a problem with red lining really. For most of the maps you don't really have a good view of the entire map. Plus, you can only really redline with a rail gun which isn't that great, due to the lack of splash damage. If they're red lining, you can easily ignore them and capture the bases.

And your thing about sniping is sort of my point. All you need to do is be behind cover, charge up your forge gun or lock on quickly, fire, and then duck. I'm sorry, but you're asking to be way too comfortable. You're essentially saying that you should be able to take out tanks from far away, with no risks.

As for the AV grenades, it shouldn't really apply to your scenario (red lining).

And currently, this game is just all infantry. What incentive is there to drive a drop ship, when the pilot gets no points and can be taken down so easily? What incentive is there to drive a tank, when you're guaranteed to make a loss if you die even once?

Take one for the team? Doesn't really fit with the whole "market based" system, IMO. As a mercenary, I'm not going to lose out financially like a bloody communist.

do yourself, and anyone else reading this thread a favor, and just leave your brilliant opinions to yourself, before anyone else breaks their nose from facepalming after reading each sentence you type.

furthermore, if your tank is getting blown up, get a better tank, or HTFU. tanks are already becoming a deciding factor in most matches.