Maybe you have to think how to fit your tank ... It's not just a 2-years-old boy that can do it ... (meaning full missile turrets fitting...)

And is it so hard to aim a Heavy-Forge with a large railgun and good skills ? Oops, sorry, didn't remember that pilots didn't know anything about aiming...

I'll maybe keep trolling when all of you guys will still saying thoose crapy words !!!

lol 56-0

Against randoms half the time who use milita and basic AV to try and destroy a tank with no teamwork what do you expect against idiots?

My point exactly!

You Derpa Derpas brought out your pimped out Derpa Derpa HAV's and DS's and Derpa Derpaed rolled randoms and went 56-0 too many times.

CCP took notice and now nerfed your Derpa Derpa Weapons.

So now you can keep Derpa Derpa crying about it or move on.

Lesson learned.

Cavity was OP --> fixed

Remote eplosive was OP --> fixed

Creodron was OP --> fixed

Snipers were useless --> fixed

AV nades as proximity --> fixed


And you didn't need a tank to make a 56-0, just a Saga was enough, with a good pilot and a good gunner ...

Well, maybe it's a too big nerf, but I can't say I don't play easy mode !!! But it's a fair nerf today for FPS players, and vehicules lonewolf fanboys can QQ for me !!!

Lets think about turrets then shall we?

Railguns- single fire one blast, it has to charge, minimal splash with lower splash damage. Much like a modern day MBT firing standard A.P shells. Accurate, but if it lands next to its target not alot of damage. I think Railguns are perfect where they are.

Blasters- quick firing, overheat, small damage, moderate accuracy. Its basically a faster auto cannon without the explosive capability. Great for mowing down hordes of infantry not so much a tank. Again perfect where it is.

Missles- moderate across the board. Except now instead of ---pew pew boom you get < / < ~ | - - / \_ | / maybe a kill but thanks to the blast radius you can damage multiple targets. So NOW yes missle turrets are perfect.

They go on tanks, yes they are supposed to be powerful, but not supposed to decimate everything, thats what eve pilots are for. Im sure youll master them eventually.

Oh so you want to be able to take out a fully fitted proper tank on your own with no teamwork?

Well CCP is catering to you atm, keep it up you might be able to kill a tank with an AR before xmas

A Saga?

Really if it was so easy why didnt you do it? oh yea right it would have insta popped

Perhaps the simplest (and maybe best) solution, would have been to reduce the ROF of missiles. Perhaps by as much as half.

They also needed the splash damage reduction, even nukes have power limitations.

A Saga?

Really if it was so easy why didnt you do it? oh yea right it would have insta popped

A Saga?

Really if it was so easy why didnt you do it? oh yea right it would have insta popped

But look at AV which remains unchanged

Forge gun - Long range, high DPS, charge up time, is anti everything atm
Swarms - Long range, dumb fired, lock on through cover, missiles bend around cover to hit targets, only anti vehicle/installation


All the problems of AV still exist while the problems of HAVs are being replaced with more problems

I havnt lost SP

Plus it isnt easy mode, not when swarms can lock on through cover pop out launch missiles which bend around cover and hit you or when forge guns can snipe from behind a hill that you will never hit unless its a direct hit


Anyways off to play tanks on DUST

lol 56-0

Against randoms half the time who use milita and basic AV to try and destroy a tank with no teamwork what do you expect against idiots?

Even then forge guns do the AV work damn well with so little SP put into it and also swarms which lock on through cover and missiles which bend around cover to hit the tank - if you cant even bother to skill up to begin with you deserve to lose because the AV is well in your hands now

Brought it on ourselfs?

Hm lets see, community cried about railguns they are now slow and only good for one thing tbh, also cried about tanks so all the resistances got nerfed and AV got buffed which still need to be fixed ie swarms because it has OP elements to it

The community is getting closer to being able to kill a tank with an AR

Yeah because HAV drivers going 56-0 was balanced.

if a promethius can eat 3-4 forge gun shots and still fly away laughing then something is wrong.

the militia shots do about 1200 damage explosive. maybe if they could be changed with a ammo mod i wouldn't see there being much of a problem. damage types need to be introduced along with a cap to make the tank pilots actually have to use some skill rather than "oh look missiles, im going to shoot at them untill i have 1/2 shields then run like a baby"

You are eating 3 basic forges then. I bumped into a forge (2-ton twenty-one) that did 3400~ damage a shot. Good luck surviving 4 of those.

my gunlogi use to wipe out all infantry like nothing, now i got to volley the target from close range 3 or 4 times just to make a noticeable difference.

they over nerfd turrets, there missiles, there meant to kill things effectively not pelt the target with pillows >_>

tryed to run a heavy over, only thing i did was push him around.

Range limit? Awesome.
Damage nerf? Awesome.
Splash radus nerf? Too far.

Nerfing EVERYTHING was too much. Range was the main issue. Damage wasn't a major problem, but I'm not too upset with the change. Splash radius is the key. Missiles NEED that with the other nerfs in place.

Missiles were never meant to be great vs everything like they were. If you want to wipe out infantry, fit your tank with a large blaster. If you want to take down other tanks, fit it with a large railgun.

I use a Sagaris because armor is broke and essentially bonus to missiles aswell with proto turrets

Now the small proto turret i use used to have 250 splash at 2.5m radius, it now does less than 100 at a 2m radius and will take 4-5 shots to maybe kill a standard assault fella from splash damage, the direct hit damage hasnt changed one bit so 1 hit will kill but when hes jumping etc its hard to do that

The large turret is about they same 250+ in a 5m area and now its less than 100 in a 3m area, up close they still do the same direct damage and in CQC because it fires 4 missiles you do tend to get the person anyways but only in CQC area because long range out of the question


My large turret seems like it has random bullet spread, all 4missiles seem to fire all over the place

My small and large missile also seen to have the same range cap, that range cap in general is quite small tbh and from certain places where i could fire from and hit a certain point or area i can no longer do so - this gives a big advantage to forge gunners and swarm users not to mention swarm missiles can go further than than the large missile turret

The missile turrets have become Anti vehicle and installation only, but the railgun does this job alot better due to higher DPS and near instant travel time


So out of the 3 turrets the blaster has been left untouched for now but essentially the HAV is weaker because of the nerfs to the HAV and has given the advantage to AV users in a big way

Railgun - Long range, high DPS, slow turret, overheats after 2 shots, long cooldown after overheating, anti vehicle/installation and only anti infantry with direct hit
Missiles - Short-medium range (i use medium range as a loose term), high DPS, has travel time, next to no splash for an AOE weapon, anti vehicle/installation only anti infantry with large turret
Blaster - Short range, high ROF, low damage, overheats and cooldown takes a while, Anti infantry mostly but can kill a tank at short range


But look at AV which remains unchanged

Forge gun - Long range, high DPS, charge up time, is anti everything atm
Swarms - Long range, dumb fired, lock on through cover, missiles bend around cover to hit targets, only anti vehicle/installation


All the problems of AV still exist while the problems of HAVs are being replaced with more problems


Today i faced Dark Cloud in his new Gunlogi fitted with Blaster as main turret, he does well in it kills infantry and i was in my Sagaris with a railgun, now i had range and that was that but in general a forge gunner could have been where i was and Dark Cloud did just that with his forge gun and the small missiles turrets couldnt reach him, blaster would be no good and i have to be spot on with railgun


So now we will see shield tanks with blasters and shield tanks with railguns to take on the tanks with blasters and for the small turret slots i have no idea what i will use tbh, armor tanks will not be used still most likely

AV wise ther will be no change, forge guns and swarms are both long range and can fire from the otherside of the map and the only way HAV have defense is the driver in the large railgun turret, missiles will not reach and blasters lolno


Essentially it is even easier to keep a HAV away, all small turrets are meh tbh missile and railgun have range caps but big direct hit and next to no splash damage and the blaster is like having an AR, large turrets have a bit more of an option but even then its situational

Overall HAV are filling a very unique role and tbh may not even see them about soon enough as the SP and ISK required now to get into one is not worth

+1

I agree here. I havent played yet but from what people have been saying I agree with this. If the dmg done in the splash was nerfed then I dont think the radius also needs to be nerfed. The range nerf was also a good idea i just think it was taken too far.

Now Snake just want to note that RPG that are designed to take out vehicles (IE tanks or other armored vehicle) actually has a shaped explosive. What this means is that the actual blast radius of an RPG with an anti material warhead is actually very small. All of its power is put into taking out the vehicle (many of them use the blast to actually melt and then force mercury (or similar material) through the armor in an attempt to penetrate into the interior or at least damage electronics. So an arguement could be made that the splash radius should be smaller because they are supposed to be anti material warheads and not anti infantry.

Now that being said I go back to what I originally stated. Range nerf and splash dmg nerfs are good but also including a splash radius nerf was probably too far. My main problem with the missiles before is that it didnt even need a close hit to severly dmg or kill me. Heck i had missiles from the main turret miss me so badly they landed on the wall that was 4-5 ish meters behind me and the splash has so much dmg that is insta killed my ADV type A suit that has more than 450 total HP. This is the problem I had with missiles before. Hopefull after testing this for a bit they will find a happier medium but you are blind if you think missles were balanced before.

Its an AOE weapon its ment to have splash damage and a fairly large damage radius tbh

Its like firing an RPG its going to **** up anyone caught in the blast radius

Even locus grenades do 400 damage in a 6m radius according to marketplace stats

who uses tanks in CQC ?

75% of the lolmissile tankers did
they played careless, no thought process, charged right in and blew evryone up because they know they can kill a grp of ppl alot quicker than they can get him down

Cavity was OP --> fixed

Remote eplosive was OP --> fixed

Creodron was OP --> fixed

Snipers were useless --> fixed

AV nades as proximity --> fixed


And you didn't need a tank to make a 56-0, just a Saga was enough, with a good pilot and a good gunner ...

Well, maybe it's a too big nerf, but I can't say I don't play easy mode !!! But it's a fair nerf today for FPS players, and vehicules lonewolf fanboys can QQ for me !!!

sorry I couldn't help but get into this I don't see how it's fair now I agree that we shouldn't be able to kill you so easy but then again if you look at some of the weapons it kinda fit AR's can kill you in about 3 secs the missles used to kill you in about 3 secs heavy mechine guns can as well of many other guns also I hate to say it but right now there is no point in using any of the lav is useless tanks are still ok dropships op but mainly cause they like the lav and can move fairly fast the issue wasn't the missles more than the damage mods I think it is pretty sad how they nerf the missles and didn't touch the 20% missle dmg mod I mean really all they had to do was lower the splash dmg like they did lower the dmg mod from 20% to 10% hell I say lower the direct dmg a little and have the splash radis about 3.5-4.0 and fragmented could have around 4.0-4.5 that would have fixed the missles pretty well but doing this kinda makes it pointless to even play the game alot of people used dropships tanks and lavs because the guns are all ****** up and unbalanced right now and don't say they ain't if they can figured out how to acturally balance something out people wouldn't use them so much I know I wouldn't I just see no point in playing when a AR (normally a GEK) is hitting me from 120m away which is kinda depressing and to all of you it ain't CCP the Eve side of CCP is great the DUST SIDE of CCP are I swear are just plain outright STUPID but thats just what I see ok my ****** up 2 cents is here and don't bother raging me I'm just throwing this out here and the chance I see this again is 1%

Tanks are not on the frontline because they are weak, its the other way around the infantry goes 1st because the tank is too weak

Missiles are useless, large missiles go everywhere meaning useless for anything, small is kinda pointless aswell due to range limitations and LAVs are meh

lol small missiles for tank vs tank hahahaha good one

Snake before the reason tanks stayed way back was because of LOL missiles. No reason for them to get closer when they can insta kill from across the map and go 56-0 without ever leaving the red line. Now the missiles are no longer LOL missiles but I agree they probably overnerfed them. Missiles should not have a random spread and the blast radius needs to go back up but the nerf on the actual splash dmg was good and the super long range being taken away was also a good change.

I agree that the Swarms need to be changed to not go around corners they need to take the quickest route to the target.

Yeah because HAV drivers going 56-0 was balanced.

I use a Sagaris because armor is broke and essentially bonus to missiles aswell with proto turrets

Now the small proto turret i use used to have 250 splash at 2.5m radius, it now does less than 100 at a 2m radius and will take 4-5 shots to maybe kill a standard assault fella from splash damage, the direct hit damage hasnt changed one bit so 1 hit will kill but when hes jumping etc its hard to do that

The large turret is about they same 250+ in a 5m area and now its less than 100 in a 3m area, up close they still do the same direct damage and in CQC because it fires 4 missiles you do tend to get the person anyways but only in CQC area because long range out of the question


My large turret seems like it has random bullet spread, all 4missiles seem to fire all over the place

My small and large missile also seen to have the same range cap, that range cap in general is quite small tbh and from certain places where i could fire from and hit a certain point or area i can no longer do so - this gives a big advantage to forge gunners and swarm users not to mention swarm missiles can go further than than the large missile turret

The missile turrets have become Anti vehicle and installation only, but the railgun does this job alot better due to higher DPS and near instant travel time


So out of the 3 turrets the blaster has been left untouched for now but essentially the HAV is weaker because of the nerfs to the HAV and has given the advantage to AV users in a big way

Railgun - Long range, high DPS, slow turret, overheats after 2 shots, long cooldown after overheating, anti vehicle/installation and only anti infantry with direct hit
Missiles - Short-medium range (i use medium range as a loose term), high DPS, has travel time, next to no splash for an AOE weapon, anti vehicle/installation only anti infantry with large turret
Blaster - Short range, high ROF, low damage, overheats and cooldown takes a while, Anti infantry mostly but can kill a tank at short range


But look at AV which remains unchanged

Forge gun - Long range, high DPS, charge up time, is anti everything atm
Swarms - Long range, dumb fired, lock on through cover, missiles bend around cover to hit targets, only anti vehicle/installation


All the problems of AV still exist while the problems of HAVs are being replaced with more problems


Today i faced Dark Cloud in his new Gunlogi fitted with Blaster as main turret, he does well in it kills infantry and i was in my Sagaris with a railgun, now i had range and that was that but in general a forge gunner could have been where i was and Dark Cloud did just that with his forge gun and the small missiles turrets couldnt reach him, blaster would be no good and i have to be spot on with railgun


So now we will see shield tanks with blasters and shield tanks with railguns to take on the tanks with blasters and for the small turret slots i have no idea what i will use tbh, armor tanks will not be used still most likely

AV wise ther will be no change, forge guns and swarms are both long range and can fire from the otherside of the map and the only way HAV have defense is the driver in the large railgun turret, missiles will not reach and blasters lolno


Essentially it is even easier to keep a HAV away, all small turrets are meh tbh missile and railgun have range caps but big direct hit and next to no splash damage and the blaster is like having an AR, large turrets have a bit more of an option but even then its situational

Overall HAV are filling a very unique role and tbh may not even see them about soon enough as the SP and ISK required now to get into one is not worth

lol 56-0

Against randoms half the time who use milita and basic AV to try and destroy a tank with no teamwork what do you expect against idiots?

Even then forge guns do the AV work damn well with so little SP put into it and also swarms which lock on through cover and missiles which bend around cover to hit the tank - if you cant even bother to skill up to begin with you deserve to lose because the AV is well in your hands now

Brought it on ourselfs?

Hm lets see, community cried about railguns they are now slow and only good for one thing tbh, also cried about tanks so all the resistances got nerfed and AV got buffed which still need to be fixed ie swarms because it has OP elements to it

The community is getting closer to being able to kill a tank with an AR

Lets think about turrets then shall we?

Railguns- single fire one blast, it has to charge, minimal splash with lower splash damage. Much like a modern day MBT firing standard A.P shells. Accurate, but if it lands next to its target not alot of damage. I think Railguns are perfect where they are.

Blasters- quick firing, overheat, small damage, moderate accuracy. Its basically a faster auto cannon without the explosive capability. Great for mowing down hordes of infantry not so much a tank. Again perfect where it is.

Missles- moderate across the board. Except now instead of ---pew pew boom you get < / < ~ | - - / \_ | / maybe a kill but thanks to the blast radius you can damage multiple targets. So NOW yes missle turrets are perfect.

They go on tanks, yes they are supposed to be powerful, but not supposed to decimate everything, thats what eve pilots are for. Im sure youll master them eventually.

My point exactly!

You Derpa Derpas brought out your pimped out Derpa Derpa HAV's and DS's and Derpa Derpaed rolled randoms and went 56-0 too many times.

CCP took notice and now nerfed your Derpa Derpa Weapons.

So now you can keep Derpa Derpa crying about it or move on.

Lesson learned.

This is the exact same thing that killed MAG. Everybody complaining about everything, idiots that have no intelligence get what they want, and the developer bends over backwards to accommodate everybody complaining.

The "community" will destroy this game.

Nope not at all!
I do not run AV equipment, I let my AV teammates take out the Derpa Derpa DS's and HAV's while I Ninja Scout my way around the map capping the objectives and setting up my OP remote explosives lol.

You can't buff HP/armor resistance/armor harderner AND nerf SL/FG/AV Nades/prox remotes... Just smile

Tanks need a good HP buff, and maybe a little improvement in armor. That's all...

If you nerf FG in range, do it too on Large Railgun. And a FG has no chance against a good sniper --> teamplay


Large Missile Turret need to OS in short range Assault/Recon/Logi, 2 hit for a Heavy.



And the best thing I'd like to, it's some "rocket launcher" --> don't need a lock, need skills !!!

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Small Missiles, as of the update, are ALMOST where they should be.

The nerf has brought them in line with the other Small Turrets - which means they're marginally underpowered for where I think they should be - and I usually run AV, not tanks, so if anything, I'm biased in favour of NOT buffing vehicles. Only need a VERY small buff, and blast radius is the core element where I think a buff would help differentiate them from the other weapon types.

Large Missile Turrets, on the other hand, are just completely broken. Lets look at what they did:

1. Reduced damage.
2. Cut blast radius by more than 50%
3. increased spread massively without it being a progressive "kick" type effect, so even the first missile goes off-course just as randomly as the last show in a salvo.
4. Reduced range.

Either blast radius OR scatter needs to be addressed. Removing the scatter (or reducing it enough to make them a reliable weapon again) would make the Missile Turret a harsher anti-infantry weapon than it has a right to be.

In their current state, Large Missile Turrets pretty much CAN'T hit enemy infantry at ANY range on purpose unless the target is exposed and close to a nearby wall you can aim to get splash damage from. When an Assault suit can stand out in the open, 20 - 50m from a Missile Tank, and reasonably expect NOT to take any damage at all from said tank, there's something wrong. I've been on both sides of exactly that scenario more than once. When I have to switch into one of my Small Turrets just to have a CHANCE of dealing ANY damage to an enemy, my main gun isn't doing its job.

Range? Fine.
Damage? Fine.
Scatter? Fine.
Radius? Too badly nerfed.

Small Turrets are all about even in terms of effectiveness now, but ALL of them are slightly weaker than they should be.

Large Turrets all need some form of buff. Railguns could use a turn rate increase - not TOO much of one, but a bit of a boost. Blasters need something - I think range is probably best. Missiles need a MUCH better blast radius. And of all the Large Turrets, Missiles are the ones with the least effectiveness in any situation.

lol 56-0

Against randoms half the time who use milita and basic AV to try and destroy a tank with no teamwork what do you expect against idiots?

Even then forge guns do the AV work damn well with so little SP put into it and also swarms which lock on through cover and missiles which bend around cover to hit the tank - if you cant even bother to skill up to begin with you deserve to lose because the AV is well in your hands now

Brought it on ourselfs?

Hm lets see, community cried about railguns they are now slow and only good for one thing tbh, also cried about tanks so all the resistances got nerfed and AV got buffed which still need to be fixed ie swarms because it has OP elements to it

The community is getting closer to being able to kill a tank with an AR

The only thing that the nerf did was to make other vehicles 100% useless when it comes to attacking targets.

LAV=usless cause missiles wont do any damage and blasters take way to long to kill its more likely that your gunner gets killed first.

Dropships= basically doesnt exist anymore on the battlefield.

Tanks= lol a rare species that you see once in a while with a large blaster.

Ya know when my entire SQUAD is forge gunning and we still got OHK by Gunnlogis then yeah things were WRONG.
Now with the missile nerf its more balanced.
YOU had no problem with those easy kills by being a HAV missile abuser.
So suck it up and change a few tank fits since all I got from your thread was waaaaaaa no more easy kills.

-Dropship damage output penalty: 50%~70% (similar to the logistic LAV's)
-Range as it is now so you cant "snipe" with them anymore accross the map (missile explodes around 200m in the air)
-rebuild the old missile damage stats (blast radius and damage back to normal)
-cut down the damage bonus from skillbooks by 50% (instead off 3% per lvl you get 1,5 and proficency gives you 1%)
-adjust the damage mods for missile turrets to max 10% (at the moment the best mod is 20%)
-get rid off the random spread off the missiles
-Only 1 damage mod allowed at a time to avoid that any kind off turret gets overpowered (similar with propulsion modules)

With missiles changes it should have had a reload time similar to railguns charge i think

Range wise got nerfed hard, i have forge gunners hitting me but i cant hit them back unless i have the railgun as my main turret

Radius should be back to normal for large at least and up the damage i think

Skill books i wouldnt have prof or even the normal skill to give out damage bonuses tbh, leave the damage bonuses to the turret skillbook and the damage mods and instead give the skillbooks bonuses to the the weapon instead, like -5% cooldown time or heat build up for hybrids, missiles could be ROF or range

All damage mods should really be the same

Random missile spread lolworthy

I disagree with only 1 damage mod tbh, they have stacking penalties as it is and its not like a DCU either, if you can fit em let em


As for turrets, railgun still needs its turn speed increased at least to the missile turn speed and also i think it builds up heat way too fast, after 2 cont shots you overheat and need a 15sec cooldown even tho its was around 5sec to fire 2 shots i think it should at least be 3 tbh

With missiles changes it should have had a reload time similar to railguns charge i think

Range wise got nerfed hard, i have forge gunners hitting me but i cant hit them back unless i have the railgun as my main turret

Radius should be back to normal for large at least and up the damage i think

Skill books i wouldnt have prof or even the normal skill to give out damage bonuses tbh, leave the damage bonuses to the turret skillbook and the damage mods and instead give the skillbooks bonuses to the the weapon instead, like -5% cooldown time or heat build up for hybrids, missiles could be ROF or range

All damage mods should really be the same

Random missile spread lolworthy

I disagree with only 1 damage mod tbh, they have stacking penalties as it is and its not like a DCU either, if you can fit em let em


As for turrets, railgun still needs its turn speed increased at least to the missile turn speed and also i think it builds up heat way too fast, after 2 cont shots you overheat and need a 15sec cooldown even tho its was around 5sec to fire 2 shots i think it should at least be 3 tbh

lol 56-0

Against randoms half the time who use milita and basic AV to try and destroy a tank with no teamwork what do you expect against idiots?

Even then forge guns do the AV work damn well with so little SP put into it and also swarms which lock on through cover and missiles which bend around cover to hit the tank - if you cant even bother to skill up to begin with you deserve to lose because the AV is well in your hands now

Brought it on ourselfs?

Hm lets see, community cried about railguns they are now slow and only good for one thing tbh, also cried about tanks so all the resistances got nerfed and AV got buffed which still need to be fixed ie swarms because it has OP elements to it

The community is getting closer to being able to kill a tank with an AR

The damage on the turrets where the exact same as before the nerf and NOBODY did cry about it.

Yes, of course, noobys are people getting kill by easy-players.

It's not easy-players using OP things...

And remember me, who is crying now ?

stacking penalty is allmost non existant at the moment for damage mods or maybe not as effective as it was planned. Cause they multiply with each other and not just add to each other. Just assume a missile splash damage off 240 and my skill is on on small missile turrets lvl 5 (15%) and 2 damage mods on the dropship itself so lets do math.
240*1.15*1.2*1.2= 397.44
And i didnt even added proficency or turret operation itself to the math operation. If you would use 3 damage mods then you would get a damage around 476HP and thats only splash damage not direct impact. That beeing known its easy to get insane high damage on all kind off turrets. We saw it in the final off the tourny where my dropship with over 4400HP has beeing 1 shoted by a sagaris railgun. And not all damage mods are the same cause at the moment missile turrets have the biggest bonus on them. Cause small hybrid turrets gain only a bonus off 12% and not 20%. If the damage mods would do add to each other then this wouldnt be such a big problem but multiply makes it too strong. And i find it funny that only those who have a logical mind replied to my post yet. Where are the moaners now?

ok how would you think about it when your AR would do only 10HP per hit? If you dont add a constructive post to this please stay out off it. I knew that missiles where OP but this "fix" is not the way how to do it properly. Another way to get rid off their anti everything situation could aswell be lowering the direct impact damage. And tanks mainly did hide with missiles on scrubby spots cause a single forgegunner could take on to them without support. Well do we have left?

-Tank resistance gone? chek
-Tanks ability to succesfully attack infantry gone? chek
-Tanks are going to be destroyed with a militia assault rifle? work in progress

Now the only turret that works against infantry is the large blaster. The others are 100% useless to do so. In fact a mass driver deals more damage against infantry then a small missile turret. And that on both categorys blast radius/damage. If i could put a mass driver on my vehicle instead off a small missile turret i would do it.

ok how would you think about it when your AR would do only 10HP per hit? If you dont add a constructive post to this please stay out off it. I knew that missiles where OP but this "fix" is not the way how to do it properly. Another way to get rid off their anti everything situation could aswell be lowering the direct impact damage. And tanks mainly did hide with missiles on scrubby spots cause a single forgegunner could take on to them without support. Well do we have left?

-Tank resistance gone? chek
-Tanks ability to succesfully attack infantry gone? chek
-Tanks are going to be destroyed with a militia assault rifle? work in progress

Now the only turret that works against infantry is the large blaster. The others are 100% useless to do so. In fact a mass driver deals more damage against infantry then a small missile turret. And that on both categorys blast radius/damage. If i could put a mass driver on my vehicle instead off a small missile turret i would do it.

ok how would you think about it when your AR would do only 10HP per hit? If you dont add a constructive post to this please stay out off it. I knew that missiles where OP but this "fix" is not the way how to do it properly. Another way to get rid off their anti everything situation could aswell be lowering the direct impact damage. And tanks mainly did hide with missiles on scrubby spots cause a single forgegunner could take on to them without support. Well do we have left?

-Tank resistance gone? chek
-Tanks ability to succesfully attack infantry gone? chek
-Tanks are going to be destroyed with a militia assault rifle? work in progress

Now the only turret that works against infantry is the large blaster. The others are 100% useless to do so. In fact a mass driver deals more damage against infantry then a small missile turret. And that on both categorys blast radius/damage. If i could put a mass driver on my vehicle instead off a small missile turret i would do it.

You're over-reacting a bit....
I tasted some Blasters yesterday and boy do they hurt ! They dont OS, but their ROF is almost an instakill if you dont have cover.
Also, who says things wont move on the resistance side of the HAVs ? Many people, infantry like me, bitched about the missiles and agree that HAVs should be tougher to take down. But seriously, missiles shouldnt be the weapon of choice of any specialized HAVer. Missile is, imo, the average against everything weapon.

Thus, it should harm infantry less than blasters and harm vehicles less than an railgun. And like it or not, it's the case now and it wasnt before.

Give it time. You may not like this fix but truth is, game overall benefits greatly from it.

You're over-reacting a bit....
I tasted some Blasters yesterday and boy do they hurt ! They dont OS, but their ROF is almost an instakill if you dont have cover.
Also, who says things wont move on the resistance side of the HAVs ? Many people, infantry like me, bitched about the missiles and agree that HAVs should be tougher to take down. But seriously, missiles shouldnt be the weapon of choice of any specialized HAVer. Missile is, imo, the average against everything weapon.

Thus, it should harm infantry less than blasters and harm vehicles less than an railgun. And like it or not, it's the case now and it wasnt before.

Give it time. You may not like this fix but truth is, game overall benefits greatly from it.

Missiles do not hit the target, you can be at the end of the road shooting a tank at the other end and your missiles will spaz out and go for coffee and not hit at all

You have to be up close to do anything with missiles and if your going to do that you might aswell go blasters because they are more accurate and its ROF is alot faster

You can stand in front of a missile tank and the splash wont kill you and you will survive and its a large turret shooting 4 missiles at you

Missiles have very poor range now and to add random missile spread means you will not hit your target with 4missiles at the top end of the range, you will be lucky to get 2missiles to hit the target

The only ppl which are happy with this are the infantry and AV once again

Forge guns have more range than large missile turrets, by the time i find that forge gunner and maybe get in range he would have easily killed that tank, even if he was in front of me he needs a direct hit to get killed because splash is so weak a scout can survive it and the same with swarms hiding in the hill untouchable

Plus one more turret has been nerfed and removed from the HAVs, we have blasters which AV can easily eat up tbh on the hill and railguns which somehow are better than missiles now even tho they got nerfed time ago

I used to have 10 fits with missiles and hybrids, i now have 1 fit with a railgun and nothing else, blasters are no good to me because the tank is weak and AV has a stupid range which i will never hit with a blaster and i can keep moving but swarms will bend around cover to hit me or the forge gunner may hit me from otherside of the map

Missiles are not the inbetween blasters and railguns, they cannot do either because of random missile spread mostly and limited range, in fact they are useless for any job espc the large is

Tbh il keep writing it because ppl like you all you know how to do is complain for nerfs and then when its nerfed beyond usefulness you go its fine when its clearly not

Your not a tank driver so you really dont care you just dont want tanks ruining your day because you dont want to skill up even the basic amount of AV or use AV at all because its an FPS and tanks dont belong in it

Have you asked for tanks to be destroyed by an assualt rifle yet?

Tbh il keep writing it because ppl like you all you know how to do is complain for nerfs and then when its nerfed beyond usefulness you go its fine when its clearly not

Your not a tank driver so you really dont care you just dont want tanks ruining your day because you dont want to skill up even the basic amount of AV or use AV at all because its an FPS and tanks dont belong in it

Have you asked for tanks to be destroyed by an assualt rifle yet?

ou keep saying the same thing since your first post in this thread without reading what's other people say.

Please, read my old posts and come back here talk to me...

Some people here "respect" you for your gameplay, sorry but I don't. More since you said this.

You keep saying the same thing since your first post in this thread without reading what's other people say.

You have no right to say anything on this forum. Simply cause you are crap as infantry and you called me a exploiter when i simply used my LAV as cover and shot you with a laser rifle. Seriously go and find a new game cause this 1 here is appearently not for you. So lets take a look:
-you are crap in a vehicle (wannabe dropship pilot)
-crap as infantry who barely goes positive
-no clue about game mechanics

now tell me why does YOUR opinion should be considered as usefull and not just spam? Im decent as infantry and vehicle user and know how it is on both sides.

Missiles NEEDED a nerf of some sort. I dont know if this the right way to go about it, but it is an improvement. Another solution migt be to keep the original dmg stats, but severely cut the ROF. This would keep missiles as more of an AV weapon, with some infantry use as well (because of old splash dmg)

I don't give a fu*ck to KDR but if you ask it, I'm up to 2.5 as infantry ... As a DS pilot, it took us 1 week to make 70+/0 per game. No, it's not OP, and you need much piloting skills to do it ... nooby.

You use ELM-7, a laser rifle that doesn't overheat, an issue suppose to be fix, and "no no, I don't use exploit" --> let me laugh, nooby

As I told you, you have a good teamplay in your team, you seem to be a smart boy (cause you always find a way to make safe kills), but you play like a rat !! nooby !!!


EDIT : Oh, btw, I don't play DUST everyday anymore, just went to check the "new maps" (), and I was playing milicia ...

The ELM-7 overpowered? lool you muppet it uses more CPU and PG, requires a higher lvl then the standard laser and costs more ISK aswell while it delivers the same damage. Its not an exploit its just you beeing a muppet to think that your assault rifle will save you in all situations. And a fix for laser rifles? That was a good joke. The proto laser on the other hand does more damage and can overheat. You are just mad that your gameplay on medium-long range is just crap. Oh and you have only a 2.5 KD? I got a KD over 5 and it goes up by playing infantry cause as LAV driver/Dropship pilot i wouldnt get any kills at all. Oh and i dont play like a rat i just play smart which you on the other hand are appearently not capable in doing so. Just give it up and be a good french and do that what you are good at. Surrender to the superior power. Just like you did in the tourny.

The ELM-7 overpowered? lool you muppet it uses more CPU and PG, requires a higher lvl then the standard laser and costs more ISK aswell while it delivers the same damage. Its not an exploit its just you beeing a muppet to think that your assault rifle will save you in all situations. And a fix for laser rifles? That was a good joke. The proto laser on the other hand does more damage and can overheat. You are just mad that your gameplay on medium-long range is just crap. Oh and you have only a 2.5 KD? I got a KD over 5 and it goes up by playing infantry cause as LAV driver/Dropship pilot i wouldnt get any kills at all. Oh and i dont play like a rat i just play smart which you on the other hand are appearently not capable in doing so. Just give it up and be a good french and do that what you are good at. Surrender to the superior power. Just like you did in the tourny.

a n00b who is obviously better then half off your corp put together.

Post fix, the situation is better. Not perfect but way better.

child

I'd argue that.

The situation is equally bad, but in the opposite direction.

Yeah ? I like to think that seeing blasters and railgun instead of just missile is better. You have Anti-Infantry HAV and Anti-vehicle HAV wich seems more logical.

Now, Blasters HAVs are too fragile due to the stupidity of EZmod SL, the range boost from last fix to FG and the painfull reduction in Resistance modules for vehicles.

I dont think we're that far from getting a nice balance between vehicles and infantry. Anyway I guess we're all just talking for nothing until next build lands.

Scout smallest sig radius may take 20 seconds to lock (base no skills/modules factored into either side)
heavy largest infantry sig radius make take 15 seconds
Lav 10 seconds
Drop ship 7 sec
HAV 4 seconds

Missiles needed sorting out everyones 100% behind that but as usual ccp wade in like thugs and smash it to bits.

Why CCP cant just tweek things abit at a time untill they find somthing close to balance I dont know.

Personaly I have given up with feedback I will just play the game and in doing so help add to the data out there.

Meh just let 1-2 months go past and the tankers will have all advanced/proto blasters on top off their tanks. Then we will have again tons off complains on the forum why the large blasters can allmost insta kill any infantry on the game. Another thing that is unknown so far to most off people is that the hybrid damage mods have a effect on the rate off fire and the damage. Combine that with a stabilised blaster and you end up with carnage. For an example i run double damage mods with a blaster and the base ROF is 428 RPM with the damage mods i get a RPM off 517. Base damage is 105HP with damage mods and skillbooks i get around ~144HP damage per shot. The range on the stabilised is improved aswell as the zoom off the turret. On optimal range i need only 2-3 shots to kill somebody. heavys take a bit more to grind trough but they die very quickly aswell. If i would go up to proto blasters then i could get a damage off like ~208HP per shot. And damage mods are broken we dont have stacking penalty, we have stacking bonus. Yes you read that right. My source basically is when you put damage mods on a dropsuit you can see the multiplyer next to the dropsuit stats (like light weapon damage mod etc). I for an example have a advanced assault dropsuit with a swarm launcher and 3X10% damage mods. Normally without penalty/bonus i would get 1.30. But the stats next to the dropsuit are saying 1.33. So i get 1% bonus on each damage mod i put on? CCP=nuts

Meh just let 1-2 months go past and the tankers will have all advanced/proto blasters on top off their tanks. Then we will have again tons off complains on the forum why the large blasters can allmost insta kill any infantry on the game. Another thing that is unknown so far to most off people is that the hybrid damage mods have a effect on the rate off fire and the damage. Combine that with a stabilised blaster and you end up with carnage. For an example i run double damage mods with a blaster and the base ROF is 428 RPM with the damage mods i get a RPM off 517. Base damage is 105HP with damage mods and skillbooks i get around ~144HP damage per shot. The range on the stabilised is improved aswell as the zoom off the turret. On optimal range i need only 2-3 shots to kill somebody. heavys take a bit more to grind trough but they die very quickly aswell. If i would go up to proto blasters then i could get a damage off like ~208HP per shot. And damage mods are broken we dont have stacking penalty, we have stacking bonus. Yes you read that right. My source basically is when you put damage mods on a dropsuit you can see the multiplyer next to the dropsuit stats (like light weapon damage mod etc). I for an example have a advanced assault dropsuit with a swarm launcher and 3X10% damage mods. Normally without penalty/bonus i would get 1.30. But the stats next to the dropsuit are saying 1.33. So i get 1% bonus on each damage mod i put on? CCP=nuts

hell no after all the tank costs multiple millions off ISK when it is a proper fit. And then you want to come by and 4 shot it with a standard forgegun? Hell no. And you forget that blasters eat up alot off PG and shield tanks are losing alot off shields to fit them.

You cannot split the turrets up for missiles

Even if 2 types of missile launchers come out you are shafting the drivers anyways because sods law you bring out the lock on turret for vehicles and no vehicles turn up on the enemys side plus its a dumb idea and why? because the blasters and railguns can do anti vehicle and infantry to an extent while with the missile idea you can only do one or the other which make it even more ******* useless

lol @ this wtf aswell tbh you have like 1 AV guy to begin with who is out of milita/basic AV stuff and none of you drive anything

Meh just let 1-2 months go past and the tankers will have all advanced/proto blasters on top off their tanks. Then we will have again tons off complains on the forum why the large blasters can allmost insta kill any infantry on the game. Another thing that is unknown so far to most off people is that the hybrid damage mods have a effect on the rate off fire and the damage. Combine that with a stabilised blaster and you end up with carnage. For an example i run double damage mods with a blaster and the base ROF is 428 RPM with the damage mods i get a RPM off 517. Base damage is 105HP with damage mods and skillbooks i get around ~144HP damage per shot. The range on the stabilised is improved aswell as the zoom off the turret. On optimal range i need only 2-3 shots to kill somebody. heavys take a bit more to grind trough but they die very quickly aswell. If i would go up to proto blasters then i could get a damage off like ~208HP per shot. And damage mods are broken we dont have stacking penalty, we have stacking bonus. Yes you read that right. My source basically is when you put damage mods on a dropsuit you can see the multiplyer next to the dropsuit stats (like light weapon damage mod etc). I for an example have a advanced assault dropsuit with a swarm launcher and 3X10% damage mods. Normally without penalty/bonus i would get 1.30. But the stats next to the dropsuit are saying 1.33. So i get 1% bonus on each damage mod i put on? CCP=nuts

Seems like you totally missed the point. Our current "Missiles" should really be "Rockets" instead, meaning they aren't being split up - merely adding a new weapon type that should be called Missiles, and renaming the current weapon, each of which has a unique functionality.

You also managed not to notice the fact that the new Missiles would be able to lock onto infantry, but would lock on FASTER to enemy vehicles than to infantry. The suggested lock times were totally broken though, hence my post suggesting a massive change to those numbers.