if a promethius can eat 3-4 forge gun shots and still fly away laughing then something is wrong.

the militia shots do about 1200 damage explosive. maybe if they could be changed with a ammo mod i wouldn't see there being much of a problem. damage types need to be introduced along with a cap to make the tank pilots actually have to use some skill rather than "oh look missiles, im going to shoot at them untill i have 1/2 shields then run like a baby"

You are eating 3 basic forges then. I bumped into a forge (2-ton twenty-one) that did 3400~ damage a shot. Good luck surviving 4 of those.

my gunlogi use to wipe out all infantry like nothing, now i got to volley the target from close range 3 or 4 times just to make a noticeable difference.

they over nerfd turrets, there missiles, there meant to kill things effectively not pelt the target with pillows >_>

tryed to run a heavy over, only thing i did was push him around.

Range limit? Awesome.
Damage nerf? Awesome.
Splash radus nerf? Too far.

Nerfing EVERYTHING was too much. Range was the main issue. Damage wasn't a major problem, but I'm not too upset with the change. Splash radius is the key. Missiles NEED that with the other nerfs in place.

Missiles were never meant to be great vs everything like they were. If you want to wipe out infantry, fit your tank with a large blaster. If you want to take down other tanks, fit it with a large railgun.

I use a Sagaris because armor is broke and essentially bonus to missiles aswell with proto turrets

Now the small proto turret i use used to have 250 splash at 2.5m radius, it now does less than 100 at a 2m radius and will take 4-5 shots to maybe kill a standard assault fella from splash damage, the direct hit damage hasnt changed one bit so 1 hit will kill but when hes jumping etc its hard to do that

The large turret is about they same 250+ in a 5m area and now its less than 100 in a 3m area, up close they still do the same direct damage and in CQC because it fires 4 missiles you do tend to get the person anyways but only in CQC area because long range out of the question


My large turret seems like it has random bullet spread, all 4missiles seem to fire all over the place

My small and large missile also seen to have the same range cap, that range cap in general is quite small tbh and from certain places where i could fire from and hit a certain point or area i can no longer do so - this gives a big advantage to forge gunners and swarm users not to mention swarm missiles can go further than than the large missile turret

The missile turrets have become Anti vehicle and installation only, but the railgun does this job alot better due to higher DPS and near instant travel time


So out of the 3 turrets the blaster has been left untouched for now but essentially the HAV is weaker because of the nerfs to the HAV and has given the advantage to AV users in a big way

Railgun - Long range, high DPS, slow turret, overheats after 2 shots, long cooldown after overheating, anti vehicle/installation and only anti infantry with direct hit
Missiles - Short-medium range (i use medium range as a loose term), high DPS, has travel time, next to no splash for an AOE weapon, anti vehicle/installation only anti infantry with large turret
Blaster - Short range, high ROF, low damage, overheats and cooldown takes a while, Anti infantry mostly but can kill a tank at short range


But look at AV which remains unchanged

Forge gun - Long range, high DPS, charge up time, is anti everything atm
Swarms - Long range, dumb fired, lock on through cover, missiles bend around cover to hit targets, only anti vehicle/installation


All the problems of AV still exist while the problems of HAVs are being replaced with more problems


Today i faced Dark Cloud in his new Gunlogi fitted with Blaster as main turret, he does well in it kills infantry and i was in my Sagaris with a railgun, now i had range and that was that but in general a forge gunner could have been where i was and Dark Cloud did just that with his forge gun and the small missiles turrets couldnt reach him, blaster would be no good and i have to be spot on with railgun


So now we will see shield tanks with blasters and shield tanks with railguns to take on the tanks with blasters and for the small turret slots i have no idea what i will use tbh, armor tanks will not be used still most likely

AV wise ther will be no change, forge guns and swarms are both long range and can fire from the otherside of the map and the only way HAV have defense is the driver in the large railgun turret, missiles will not reach and blasters lolno


Essentially it is even easier to keep a HAV away, all small turrets are meh tbh missile and railgun have range caps but big direct hit and next to no splash damage and the blaster is like having an AR, large turrets have a bit more of an option but even then its situational

Overall HAV are filling a very unique role and tbh may not even see them about soon enough as the SP and ISK required now to get into one is not worth

+1

I agree here. I havent played yet but from what people have been saying I agree with this. If the dmg done in the splash was nerfed then I dont think the radius also needs to be nerfed. The range nerf was also a good idea i just think it was taken too far.

Now Snake just want to note that RPG that are designed to take out vehicles (IE tanks or other armored vehicle) actually has a shaped explosive. What this means is that the actual blast radius of an RPG with an anti material warhead is actually very small. All of its power is put into taking out the vehicle (many of them use the blast to actually melt and then force mercury (or similar material) through the armor in an attempt to penetrate into the interior or at least damage electronics. So an arguement could be made that the splash radius should be smaller because they are supposed to be anti material warheads and not anti infantry.

Now that being said I go back to what I originally stated. Range nerf and splash dmg nerfs are good but also including a splash radius nerf was probably too far. My main problem with the missiles before is that it didnt even need a close hit to severly dmg or kill me. Heck i had missiles from the main turret miss me so badly they landed on the wall that was 4-5 ish meters behind me and the splash has so much dmg that is insta killed my ADV type A suit that has more than 450 total HP. This is the problem I had with missiles before. Hopefull after testing this for a bit they will find a happier medium but you are blind if you think missles were balanced before.

Its an AOE weapon its ment to have splash damage and a fairly large damage radius tbh

Its like firing an RPG its going to **** up anyone caught in the blast radius

Even locus grenades do 400 damage in a 6m radius according to marketplace stats

who uses tanks in CQC ?

75% of the lolmissile tankers did
they played careless, no thought process, charged right in and blew evryone up because they know they can kill a grp of ppl alot quicker than they can get him down

Cavity was OP --> fixed

Remote eplosive was OP --> fixed

Creodron was OP --> fixed

Snipers were useless --> fixed

AV nades as proximity --> fixed


And you didn't need a tank to make a 56-0, just a Saga was enough, with a good pilot and a good gunner ...

Well, maybe it's a too big nerf, but I can't say I don't play easy mode !!! But it's a fair nerf today for FPS players, and vehicules lonewolf fanboys can QQ for me !!!

sorry I couldn't help but get into this I don't see how it's fair now I agree that we shouldn't be able to kill you so easy but then again if you look at some of the weapons it kinda fit AR's can kill you in about 3 secs the missles used to kill you in about 3 secs heavy mechine guns can as well of many other guns also I hate to say it but right now there is no point in using any of the lav is useless tanks are still ok dropships op but mainly cause they like the lav and can move fairly fast the issue wasn't the missles more than the damage mods I think it is pretty sad how they nerf the missles and didn't touch the 20% missle dmg mod I mean really all they had to do was lower the splash dmg like they did lower the dmg mod from 20% to 10% hell I say lower the direct dmg a little and have the splash radis about 3.5-4.0 and fragmented could have around 4.0-4.5 that would have fixed the missles pretty well but doing this kinda makes it pointless to even play the game alot of people used dropships tanks and lavs because the guns are all ****** up and unbalanced right now and don't say they ain't if they can figured out how to acturally balance something out people wouldn't use them so much I know I wouldn't I just see no point in playing when a AR (normally a GEK) is hitting me from 120m away which is kinda depressing and to all of you it ain't CCP the Eve side of CCP is great the DUST SIDE of CCP are I swear are just plain outright STUPID but thats just what I see ok my ****** up 2 cents is here and don't bother raging me I'm just throwing this out here and the chance I see this again is 1%

Tanks are not on the frontline because they are weak, its the other way around the infantry goes 1st because the tank is too weak

Missiles are useless, large missiles go everywhere meaning useless for anything, small is kinda pointless aswell due to range limitations and LAVs are meh

lol small missiles for tank vs tank hahahaha good one