Snake before the reason tanks stayed way back was because of LOL missiles. No reason for them to get closer when they can insta kill from across the map and go 56-0 without ever leaving the red line. Now the missiles are no longer LOL missiles but I agree they probably overnerfed them. Missiles should not have a random spread and the blast radius needs to go back up but the nerf on the actual splash dmg was good and the super long range being taken away was also a good change.

I agree that the Swarms need to be changed to not go around corners they need to take the quickest route to the target.

Yeah because HAV drivers going 56-0 was balanced.

I use a Sagaris because armor is broke and essentially bonus to missiles aswell with proto turrets

Now the small proto turret i use used to have 250 splash at 2.5m radius, it now does less than 100 at a 2m radius and will take 4-5 shots to maybe kill a standard assault fella from splash damage, the direct hit damage hasnt changed one bit so 1 hit will kill but when hes jumping etc its hard to do that

The large turret is about they same 250+ in a 5m area and now its less than 100 in a 3m area, up close they still do the same direct damage and in CQC because it fires 4 missiles you do tend to get the person anyways but only in CQC area because long range out of the question


My large turret seems like it has random bullet spread, all 4missiles seem to fire all over the place

My small and large missile also seen to have the same range cap, that range cap in general is quite small tbh and from certain places where i could fire from and hit a certain point or area i can no longer do so - this gives a big advantage to forge gunners and swarm users not to mention swarm missiles can go further than than the large missile turret

The missile turrets have become Anti vehicle and installation only, but the railgun does this job alot better due to higher DPS and near instant travel time


So out of the 3 turrets the blaster has been left untouched for now but essentially the HAV is weaker because of the nerfs to the HAV and has given the advantage to AV users in a big way

Railgun - Long range, high DPS, slow turret, overheats after 2 shots, long cooldown after overheating, anti vehicle/installation and only anti infantry with direct hit
Missiles - Short-medium range (i use medium range as a loose term), high DPS, has travel time, next to no splash for an AOE weapon, anti vehicle/installation only anti infantry with large turret
Blaster - Short range, high ROF, low damage, overheats and cooldown takes a while, Anti infantry mostly but can kill a tank at short range


But look at AV which remains unchanged

Forge gun - Long range, high DPS, charge up time, is anti everything atm
Swarms - Long range, dumb fired, lock on through cover, missiles bend around cover to hit targets, only anti vehicle/installation


All the problems of AV still exist while the problems of HAVs are being replaced with more problems


Today i faced Dark Cloud in his new Gunlogi fitted with Blaster as main turret, he does well in it kills infantry and i was in my Sagaris with a railgun, now i had range and that was that but in general a forge gunner could have been where i was and Dark Cloud did just that with his forge gun and the small missiles turrets couldnt reach him, blaster would be no good and i have to be spot on with railgun


So now we will see shield tanks with blasters and shield tanks with railguns to take on the tanks with blasters and for the small turret slots i have no idea what i will use tbh, armor tanks will not be used still most likely

AV wise ther will be no change, forge guns and swarms are both long range and can fire from the otherside of the map and the only way HAV have defense is the driver in the large railgun turret, missiles will not reach and blasters lolno


Essentially it is even easier to keep a HAV away, all small turrets are meh tbh missile and railgun have range caps but big direct hit and next to no splash damage and the blaster is like having an AR, large turrets have a bit more of an option but even then its situational

Overall HAV are filling a very unique role and tbh may not even see them about soon enough as the SP and ISK required now to get into one is not worth

lol 56-0

Against randoms half the time who use milita and basic AV to try and destroy a tank with no teamwork what do you expect against idiots?

Even then forge guns do the AV work damn well with so little SP put into it and also swarms which lock on through cover and missiles which bend around cover to hit the tank - if you cant even bother to skill up to begin with you deserve to lose because the AV is well in your hands now

Brought it on ourselfs?

Hm lets see, community cried about railguns they are now slow and only good for one thing tbh, also cried about tanks so all the resistances got nerfed and AV got buffed which still need to be fixed ie swarms because it has OP elements to it

The community is getting closer to being able to kill a tank with an AR

Lets think about turrets then shall we?

Railguns- single fire one blast, it has to charge, minimal splash with lower splash damage. Much like a modern day MBT firing standard A.P shells. Accurate, but if it lands next to its target not alot of damage. I think Railguns are perfect where they are.

Blasters- quick firing, overheat, small damage, moderate accuracy. Its basically a faster auto cannon without the explosive capability. Great for mowing down hordes of infantry not so much a tank. Again perfect where it is.

Missles- moderate across the board. Except now instead of ---pew pew boom you get < / < ~ | - - / \_ | / maybe a kill but thanks to the blast radius you can damage multiple targets. So NOW yes missle turrets are perfect.

They go on tanks, yes they are supposed to be powerful, but not supposed to decimate everything, thats what eve pilots are for. Im sure youll master them eventually.

My point exactly!

You Derpa Derpas brought out your pimped out Derpa Derpa HAV's and DS's and Derpa Derpaed rolled randoms and went 56-0 too many times.

CCP took notice and now nerfed your Derpa Derpa Weapons.

So now you can keep Derpa Derpa crying about it or move on.

Lesson learned.

This is the exact same thing that killed MAG. Everybody complaining about everything, idiots that have no intelligence get what they want, and the developer bends over backwards to accommodate everybody complaining.

The "community" will destroy this game.

Nope not at all!
I do not run AV equipment, I let my AV teammates take out the Derpa Derpa DS's and HAV's while I Ninja Scout my way around the map capping the objectives and setting up my OP remote explosives lol.

You can't buff HP/armor resistance/armor harderner AND nerf SL/FG/AV Nades/prox remotes... Just smile

Tanks need a good HP buff, and maybe a little improvement in armor. That's all...

If you nerf FG in range, do it too on Large Railgun. And a FG has no chance against a good sniper --> teamplay


Large Missile Turret need to OS in short range Assault/Recon/Logi, 2 hit for a Heavy.



And the best thing I'd like to, it's some "rocket launcher" --> don't need a lock, need skills !!!

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Small Missiles, as of the update, are ALMOST where they should be.

The nerf has brought them in line with the other Small Turrets - which means they're marginally underpowered for where I think they should be - and I usually run AV, not tanks, so if anything, I'm biased in favour of NOT buffing vehicles. Only need a VERY small buff, and blast radius is the core element where I think a buff would help differentiate them from the other weapon types.

Large Missile Turrets, on the other hand, are just completely broken. Lets look at what they did:

1. Reduced damage.
2. Cut blast radius by more than 50%
3. increased spread massively without it being a progressive "kick" type effect, so even the first missile goes off-course just as randomly as the last show in a salvo.
4. Reduced range.

Either blast radius OR scatter needs to be addressed. Removing the scatter (or reducing it enough to make them a reliable weapon again) would make the Missile Turret a harsher anti-infantry weapon than it has a right to be.

In their current state, Large Missile Turrets pretty much CAN'T hit enemy infantry at ANY range on purpose unless the target is exposed and close to a nearby wall you can aim to get splash damage from. When an Assault suit can stand out in the open, 20 - 50m from a Missile Tank, and reasonably expect NOT to take any damage at all from said tank, there's something wrong. I've been on both sides of exactly that scenario more than once. When I have to switch into one of my Small Turrets just to have a CHANCE of dealing ANY damage to an enemy, my main gun isn't doing its job.

Range? Fine.
Damage? Fine.
Scatter? Fine.
Radius? Too badly nerfed.

Small Turrets are all about even in terms of effectiveness now, but ALL of them are slightly weaker than they should be.

Large Turrets all need some form of buff. Railguns could use a turn rate increase - not TOO much of one, but a bit of a boost. Blasters need something - I think range is probably best. Missiles need a MUCH better blast radius. And of all the Large Turrets, Missiles are the ones with the least effectiveness in any situation.

lol 56-0

Against randoms half the time who use milita and basic AV to try and destroy a tank with no teamwork what do you expect against idiots?

Even then forge guns do the AV work damn well with so little SP put into it and also swarms which lock on through cover and missiles which bend around cover to hit the tank - if you cant even bother to skill up to begin with you deserve to lose because the AV is well in your hands now

Brought it on ourselfs?

Hm lets see, community cried about railguns they are now slow and only good for one thing tbh, also cried about tanks so all the resistances got nerfed and AV got buffed which still need to be fixed ie swarms because it has OP elements to it

The community is getting closer to being able to kill a tank with an AR

The only thing that the nerf did was to make other vehicles 100% useless when it comes to attacking targets.

LAV=usless cause missiles wont do any damage and blasters take way to long to kill its more likely that your gunner gets killed first.

Dropships= basically doesnt exist anymore on the battlefield.

Tanks= lol a rare species that you see once in a while with a large blaster.

Ya know when my entire SQUAD is forge gunning and we still got OHK by Gunnlogis then yeah things were WRONG.
Now with the missile nerf its more balanced.
YOU had no problem with those easy kills by being a HAV missile abuser.
So suck it up and change a few tank fits since all I got from your thread was waaaaaaa no more easy kills.

-Dropship damage output penalty: 50%~70% (similar to the logistic LAV's)
-Range as it is now so you cant "snipe" with them anymore accross the map (missile explodes around 200m in the air)
-rebuild the old missile damage stats (blast radius and damage back to normal)
-cut down the damage bonus from skillbooks by 50% (instead off 3% per lvl you get 1,5 and proficency gives you 1%)
-adjust the damage mods for missile turrets to max 10% (at the moment the best mod is 20%)
-get rid off the random spread off the missiles
-Only 1 damage mod allowed at a time to avoid that any kind off turret gets overpowered (similar with propulsion modules)

With missiles changes it should have had a reload time similar to railguns charge i think

Range wise got nerfed hard, i have forge gunners hitting me but i cant hit them back unless i have the railgun as my main turret

Radius should be back to normal for large at least and up the damage i think

Skill books i wouldnt have prof or even the normal skill to give out damage bonuses tbh, leave the damage bonuses to the turret skillbook and the damage mods and instead give the skillbooks bonuses to the the weapon instead, like -5% cooldown time or heat build up for hybrids, missiles could be ROF or range

All damage mods should really be the same

Random missile spread lolworthy

I disagree with only 1 damage mod tbh, they have stacking penalties as it is and its not like a DCU either, if you can fit em let em


As for turrets, railgun still needs its turn speed increased at least to the missile turn speed and also i think it builds up heat way too fast, after 2 cont shots you overheat and need a 15sec cooldown even tho its was around 5sec to fire 2 shots i think it should at least be 3 tbh

With missiles changes it should have had a reload time similar to railguns charge i think

Range wise got nerfed hard, i have forge gunners hitting me but i cant hit them back unless i have the railgun as my main turret

Radius should be back to normal for large at least and up the damage i think

Skill books i wouldnt have prof or even the normal skill to give out damage bonuses tbh, leave the damage bonuses to the turret skillbook and the damage mods and instead give the skillbooks bonuses to the the weapon instead, like -5% cooldown time or heat build up for hybrids, missiles could be ROF or range

All damage mods should really be the same

Random missile spread lolworthy

I disagree with only 1 damage mod tbh, they have stacking penalties as it is and its not like a DCU either, if you can fit em let em


As for turrets, railgun still needs its turn speed increased at least to the missile turn speed and also i think it builds up heat way too fast, after 2 cont shots you overheat and need a 15sec cooldown even tho its was around 5sec to fire 2 shots i think it should at least be 3 tbh

lol 56-0

Against randoms half the time who use milita and basic AV to try and destroy a tank with no teamwork what do you expect against idiots?

Even then forge guns do the AV work damn well with so little SP put into it and also swarms which lock on through cover and missiles which bend around cover to hit the tank - if you cant even bother to skill up to begin with you deserve to lose because the AV is well in your hands now

Brought it on ourselfs?

Hm lets see, community cried about railguns they are now slow and only good for one thing tbh, also cried about tanks so all the resistances got nerfed and AV got buffed which still need to be fixed ie swarms because it has OP elements to it

The community is getting closer to being able to kill a tank with an AR