Maybe you have to think how to fit your tank ... It's not just a 2-years-old boy that can do it ... (meaning full missile turrets fitting...)

And is it so hard to aim a Heavy-Forge with a large railgun and good skills ? Oops, sorry, didn't remember that pilots didn't know anything about aiming...

I'll maybe keep trolling when all of you guys will still saying thoose crapy words !!!

My point exactly!

You Derpa Derpas brought out your pimped out Derpa Derpa HAV's and DS's and Derpa Derpaed rolled randoms and went 56-0 too many times.

CCP took notice and now nerfed your Derpa Derpa Weapons.

So now you can keep Derpa Derpa crying about it or move on.

Lesson learned.

Cavity was OP --> fixed

Remote eplosive was OP --> fixed

Creodron was OP --> fixed

Snipers were useless --> fixed

AV nades as proximity --> fixed


And you didn't need a tank to make a 56-0, just a Saga was enough, with a good pilot and a good gunner ...

Well, maybe it's a too big nerf, but I can't say I don't play easy mode !!! But it's a fair nerf today for FPS players, and vehicules lonewolf fanboys can QQ for me !!!

Lets think about turrets then shall we?

Railguns- single fire one blast, it has to charge, minimal splash with lower splash damage. Much like a modern day MBT firing standard A.P shells. Accurate, but if it lands next to its target not alot of damage. I think Railguns are perfect where they are.

Blasters- quick firing, overheat, small damage, moderate accuracy. Its basically a faster auto cannon without the explosive capability. Great for mowing down hordes of infantry not so much a tank. Again perfect where it is.

Missles- moderate across the board. Except now instead of ---pew pew boom you get < / < ~ | - - / \_ | / maybe a kill but thanks to the blast radius you can damage multiple targets. So NOW yes missle turrets are perfect.

They go on tanks, yes they are supposed to be powerful, but not supposed to decimate everything, thats what eve pilots are for. Im sure youll master them eventually.

Perhaps the simplest (and maybe best) solution, would have been to reduce the ROF of missiles. Perhaps by as much as half.

They also needed the splash damage reduction, even nukes have power limitations.

Snake before the reason tanks stayed way back was because of LOL missiles. No reason for them to get closer when they can insta kill from across the map and go 56-0 without ever leaving the red line. Now the missiles are no longer LOL missiles but I agree they probably overnerfed them. Missiles should not have a random spread and the blast radius needs to go back up but the nerf on the actual splash dmg was good and the super long range being taken away was also a good change.

I agree that the Swarms need to be changed to not go around corners they need to take the quickest route to the target.

You can't buff HP/armor resistance/armor harderner AND nerf SL/FG/AV Nades/prox remotes... Just smile

Tanks need a good HP buff, and maybe a little improvement in armor. That's all...

If you nerf FG in range, do it too on Large Railgun. And a FG has no chance against a good sniper --> teamplay


Large Missile Turret need to OS in short range Assault/Recon/Logi, 2 hit for a Heavy.



And the best thing I'd like to, it's some "rocket launcher" --> don't need a lock, need skills !!!

Small Missiles, as of the update, are ALMOST where they should be.

The nerf has brought them in line with the other Small Turrets - which means they're marginally underpowered for where I think they should be - and I usually run AV, not tanks, so if anything, I'm biased in favour of NOT buffing vehicles. Only need a VERY small buff, and blast radius is the core element where I think a buff would help differentiate them from the other weapon types.

Large Missile Turrets, on the other hand, are just completely broken. Lets look at what they did:

1. Reduced damage.
2. Cut blast radius by more than 50%
3. increased spread massively without it being a progressive "kick" type effect, so even the first missile goes off-course just as randomly as the last show in a salvo.
4. Reduced range.

Either blast radius OR scatter needs to be addressed. Removing the scatter (or reducing it enough to make them a reliable weapon again) would make the Missile Turret a harsher anti-infantry weapon than it has a right to be.

In their current state, Large Missile Turrets pretty much CAN'T hit enemy infantry at ANY range on purpose unless the target is exposed and close to a nearby wall you can aim to get splash damage from. When an Assault suit can stand out in the open, 20 - 50m from a Missile Tank, and reasonably expect NOT to take any damage at all from said tank, there's something wrong. I've been on both sides of exactly that scenario more than once. When I have to switch into one of my Small Turrets just to have a CHANCE of dealing ANY damage to an enemy, my main gun isn't doing its job.

Range? Fine.
Damage? Fine.
Scatter? Fine.
Radius? Too badly nerfed.

Small Turrets are all about even in terms of effectiveness now, but ALL of them are slightly weaker than they should be.

Large Turrets all need some form of buff. Railguns could use a turn rate increase - not TOO much of one, but a bit of a boost. Blasters need something - I think range is probably best. Missiles need a MUCH better blast radius. And of all the Large Turrets, Missiles are the ones with the least effectiveness in any situation.

Ya know when my entire SQUAD is forge gunning and we still got OHK by Gunnlogis then yeah things were WRONG.
Now with the missile nerf its more balanced.
YOU had no problem with those easy kills by being a HAV missile abuser.
So suck it up and change a few tank fits since all I got from your thread was waaaaaaa no more easy kills.

-Dropship damage output penalty: 50%~70% (similar to the logistic LAV's)
-Range as it is now so you cant "snipe" with them anymore accross the map (missile explodes around 200m in the air)
-rebuild the old missile damage stats (blast radius and damage back to normal)
-cut down the damage bonus from skillbooks by 50% (instead off 3% per lvl you get 1,5 and proficency gives you 1%)
-adjust the damage mods for missile turrets to max 10% (at the moment the best mod is 20%)
-get rid off the random spread off the missiles
-Only 1 damage mod allowed at a time to avoid that any kind off turret gets overpowered (similar with propulsion modules)

stacking penalty is allmost non existant at the moment for damage mods or maybe not as effective as it was planned. Cause they multiply with each other and not just add to each other. Just assume a missile splash damage off 240 and my skill is on on small missile turrets lvl 5 (15%) and 2 damage mods on the dropship itself so lets do math.
240*1.15*1.2*1.2= 397.44
And i didnt even added proficency or turret operation itself to the math operation. If you would use 3 damage mods then you would get a damage around 476HP and thats only splash damage not direct impact. That beeing known its easy to get insane high damage on all kind off turrets. We saw it in the final off the tourny where my dropship with over 4400HP has beeing 1 shoted by a sagaris railgun. And not all damage mods are the same cause at the moment missile turrets have the biggest bonus on them. Cause small hybrid turrets gain only a bonus off 12% and not 20%. If the damage mods would do add to each other then this wouldnt be such a big problem but multiply makes it too strong. And i find it funny that only those who have a logical mind replied to my post yet. Where are the moaners now?

You're over-reacting a bit....
I tasted some Blasters yesterday and boy do they hurt ! They dont OS, but their ROF is almost an instakill if you dont have cover.
Also, who says things wont move on the resistance side of the HAVs ? Many people, infantry like me, bitched about the missiles and agree that HAVs should be tougher to take down. But seriously, missiles shouldnt be the weapon of choice of any specialized HAVer. Missile is, imo, the average against everything weapon.

Thus, it should harm infantry less than blasters and harm vehicles less than an railgun. And like it or not, it's the case now and it wasnt before.

Give it time. You may not like this fix but truth is, game overall benefits greatly from it.

Seems like you totally missed the point. Our current "Missiles" should really be "Rockets" instead, meaning they aren't being split up - merely adding a new weapon type that should be called Missiles, and renaming the current weapon, each of which has a unique functionality.

You also managed not to notice the fact that the new Missiles would be able to lock onto infantry, but would lock on FASTER to enemy vehicles than to infantry. The suggested lock times were totally broken though, hence my post suggesting a massive change to those numbers.