I forgot to add some sorta grenade fitness be able to bounce them off the gound or walls etc.. they just don't feel right yet.

I forgot to add some sorta grenade finess be able to bounce them off the ground or walls etc.. they just don't feel right yet.

Maybe we should add a few gun turrets players could man on the bottom of the mcc making it more difficult to spawn camp the drop in players.

+1 for this.

I want mechanic for players getting into and out LAVs, so heavys can't just jump out of a moving lav and instant pop people ;/

I want mechanic for players getting into and out LAVs, so heavys can't just jump out of a moving lav and instant pop people ;/

Horrible idea. I mean the fat suit is already gimped from your long range ar. This gives us a chance to get up close and personal with you.

Horrible idea. I mean the fat suit is already gimped from your long range ar. This gives us a chance to get up close and personal with you.

Being able to use a free LAV was a taxi for an asset that can carry weapons equivalent to tank cannons is beyond lame. Its almost as lame as finally blowing away an HAV that's harasing the point you're defending only to have 3 Heavies with Broadsides teleport out just before it blows and gun down everyone there.

Horrible idea. I mean the fat suit is already gimped from your long range ar. This gives us a chance to get up close and personal with you.

LOL are you still whining. Heavy is designed to hold down a position,and to not advance like a gunslinger. The only defense we have against heavy's is mobility, and it is clear that the lav abuses that mechanic.

However, Taste Iam sure if you cry enough on the forums you will get another quad buff like last build. Knowing CCP you might even get a thruster back that slings you across the map.

Overall speed of the game needs an increase. I don't want it to be COD bad, thats like playing an arcade game. But it needs to be upgraded. The earlier builds seemd to be much faster paced.

For an example, look at the Pdiggy videos he put up on Youtube and see how fast the game used to be.

We talked to CCP Wolfman about this in IRC the other day, and he confirmed that absolutely no changes have been made to movement speed since Replication. The apparent changes are animation related, based on your perception of movement rather than your actual speed. They're working on an update for that right now, as well as redoing the entire hit-detection system for the 3rd time.

I thought hit detection was good this build or was tht just me?

Maybe we should add a few gun turrets players could man on the bottom of the mcc making it more difficult to spawn camp the drop in players.

If the game is going to have vehicles and AV then it needs to be sorted out tbh

So far the way vehicles are they are becoming free points and kills to the basic of AV stuff, level up AV a bit more and you are killing tanks like cracking an egg with a spoon

BF3 has gone infantry only tbh with the majority of vehicles being useless and constantly patched to be made weaker because ppl cannot work together to take out a vehicle and the same is happening with tanks in this game

2 builds ago tanks did require teamwork to take out now they take 1 person and the turrets are all getting nerfed to go with it aswell as the resist mods got hammered and EW hasnt been added yet fully which will just cream any vehicle at this rate

It may not be 'core mechanics' as such but its fairly important

the spawning is the worst seen in a shooter. steps have to be taken to improve it.

vehicles needs better balance. more numerous and better effective av weapons.

deep training mode

countless game modes and customization are needed.

I'd like to see projectile speed factored into the shooting if the new system Wolfman said they're working on now can handle it. We'd probably see an end to most of those ridiculous complaints about the Tac Rifle being a pocket sniper, at least.

In all seriousness, a major factor in the complaints after the strafe nerf was how not being able to strafe made getting killed a lot easier than it used to be, but that wouldn't be as much of an issue if you had to lead your shots, even if that was only by a very small margin. I agree that these are futuristic weapons, and even today we have guns that can fire a round at around two thousand feet-per-second, but no matter how fast the projectile travels, its still not the speed of light. If you think about it, that would actually create a niche filled by the Laser Rifle, which would be pre-balanced in that regard due to doing crappy damage unless you keep the beam on your target.

I'd also like to see the Laser Rifle re-worked to have its damage bonus applied based on time on target, and not time fired. The current ability to fire at something in front of you until you hit 50% heat and then sweep the beam across the head of a distant target for an instant kill is more than a little stupid.

HAVs => Saying they're made of paper is an exageration... Yesterday i took one of your tank English. and it took flux nades from corpmates, regular AV nades and my forge gun. Yet, i'd rather have stronger HAVs in HP but with weapons that actually need SKILL to get frags. Not ridiculous missile spam that doesnt require to be accurate.

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People are are approaching vehicle balance in the wrong way. I agree with what you said when just 2 builds ago it took a dedicated team and coordination to kill a tank. But for diversity reasons they nerfed tanks so gameplay was "better". But this always has a cost tanks weren't really an exploit were they? Was tank HP and damage really a problem, or a team not working together?

Gathering player feedback is a great thing but some times players aren't always right. They sometimes don't address the issue from a game play/mechanics standpoint. So if we are really thinking some items are OP put rational behind it. Is x item an exploit. if yes then how? did it make you lag like a lag switch, could it be classified as cheating? Does it give you a chance to recover if not dead already, so on and so forth.

- Updated game physics would be nice. Something like Halo, where bullets can blow up grenades in the air if you happen to shoot them
- More realistic hulls of vehicles. I understand why all the vehicles just fade away after a while, but it'd be nice to add them to the map. Give the battlefield a "live in" feeling
- Colors: There is nothing memorable about this game as far as graphics are concerned. Again, I like the contrast Halo has between the environment and the players/objects. Everything seems to stand out
- Customization: I want to be able to make aesthetic changes to my dropsuit. Add an extra layer of shoulder plating? Done. Change the colors of my dropsuit. Nice. Make a corp logo that everyone can put on their suits? Great!
- Improved Character modeling. Look at the characters from Uncharted 3. When a grenade goes off in their face, the characters recoil from it. They drop to their knees from the force of it. Their bodies actually respond to the rolling they do. Their hands reach out to touch the walls they're around and they move more realistically when they jump. I'm not saying that DUST has to be a mirror image of that, but it would really add to the immersion if the people I'm fighting acted more like people and less like crash dummies.
- Environment: The mood lighting was a nice touch. But i want a more realistic place to fight. If we're doing a battle in a city, then let's see some broken windows or plants growing on buildings. Lets see some things people left behind as they ran out. Some banners from the faction that took over the city. Holes in the walls from grenades or gunfire. The maps we play on look too pristine to be battlefields.

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I really like these suggestions.
Once they clean up shoddy mechanics I'd love these implemented.
Game just feels dead. Would help.

according to commander Wang on Zion Shads podcast last night.

The next few builds they are really going to focus on the core mechanics of the game they will still be adding content but a major focus is going to be on fixing what we have.

We all know of the major fixes needed lag, frame rte etc..

But let's talk about some of the smaller sometimes overlooked details that will really polish this game.

1 the clunkyness of walking on hills like you are falling it is hard to keep aim sometimes as you bounce down a hill.

2 the poor way that two people on the same team kinda get locked together when they run into each other.

3 the rdv takes 15 seconds to get to you and another 30 seconds to circle around or slide into you area only to hold it just out of reach before dropping.

Add some of your ideas here maybe these will get polished up a bit.

Horrible idea. I mean the fat suit is already gimped from your long range ar. This gives us a chance to get up close and personal with you.

Actually It's a great Idea. The only reason you disagree with It Is because you do that very thing with LAVs. Of course you don't want It fixed, you use It to your advantage. We want changes like this to make this game better than what It currently Is, not just so you can get some cheap kills. And If your scared of the range on ARs then go hide In a building and stop running out In the open.

Actually It's a great Idea. The only reason you disagree with It Is because you do that very thing with LAVs. Of course you don't want It fixed, you use It to your advantage. We want changes like this to make this game better than what It currently Is, not just so you can get some cheap kills. And If your scared of the range on ARs then go hide In a building and stop running out In the open.

I'd rather have AV Nade Spam than LAV Spam... CCP, please bring back AV Nade spam so that we can stop these LAV's. i rarely saw tanks die from them, tanks move so slow they noticed AV's on the ground... these LAV's are wreckless and careless. currently AV nades stink, they dont hit vehicles moving nor do they do damage to vehicles some of the times... they seem broken? please bring back AV spam!

I'm a fan of Swarm Launcher spam as a counter to LAV spam.

Works nicely for me. Maybe you should try it sometime?

Stasis webifiers would really help with the dropship situation.

i've only got militia swarms and they're not the best AV weapon due to their horrible locking and tracking system

AV nades were so nice and easy, currently they're broken, i throw them at a vehicle, they track to it then stop tracking, give up and the LAV takes no damage. the other is it will hit the LAV but does nearly no damage or they just don't track at all and just dud out on the ground.

Horrible idea. I mean the fat suit is already gimped from your long range ar. This gives us a chance to get up close and personal with you.

- Updated game physics would be nice. Something like Halo, where bullets can blow up grenades in the air if you happen to shoot them

- More realistic hulls of vehicles. I understand why all the vehicles just fade away after a while, but it'd be nice to add them to the map. Give the battlefield a "live in" feeling

- Colors: There is nothing memorable about this game as far as graphics are concerned. Again, I like the contrast Halo has between the environment and the players/objects. Everything seems to stand out

- Customization: I want to be able to make aesthetic changes to my dropsuit. Add an extra layer of shoulder plating? Done. Change the colors of my dropsuit. Nice. Make a corp logo that everyone can put on their suits? Great!

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I'm not sure if this has been said or not but that damn dead zone on the DS3 controller, it's impossible to do precise shooting with that big of a dead zone.

Rewars.
If you get 600 Wp killing people you gain more isk/sp than gaining those same 600 WP reviving/repping/resupplying people.

Dropships:

What can be said that hasnt already? I feel the dropships themselves are fine. If/when attack gunships are added, give dropships a HP boost and speed nerf. No arbitrary limit should be placed on what turrets can be fitted, thats dumb. Add in countermeasure systems for pilots.

Tanks:

- It seems my prays were answered when the active hardeners were added. It makes tank viable again, but not overpowering. Now we just need them for armor tanks.

Turrets:

- Vehicle turrets need obvious fixing and adjustments, first being that rounds need to actually go where the reticle is pointing while the vehicle is in motion. All vehicles should have a limited number of ammo magazines, which require returning to a supply depo to restock, as well as time to reload. The Same principles are found in EVE, and can add more tension to battle.

- Small missiles should be renamed to rockets. Function just as that, dumbfire rockets. Keep all the variations. Large missiles should be broken up into 2 catagories, Rocket pods and missiles. Rockets for antiinfantry, but horrible against vehicles, and missiles, which should have a lock on capability (and will only fire this way), which will give them an antiair role as well as antitank.

- Railguns need to have their turn radius turned up a little bit, and given a slight boost in range and splash. Small rails need to do a little bit more damage and have more range.

- Large blasters feel fine, no complaints there. Small blasters need a dmg increase, and possibly range.

Weapons:

- Swarms. Beginning to sound like a broken record on this. No speed buff is necessary, just fix the flight path. Its stupid to see swarms stop and do a 180 behind a dropship and then chase it til they disappear. This will make it so you have to position yourself correctly with them to get a kill on the dropship. Increasing their speed would just make it hit 100% of the time, and thats just as stupid as them hitting 0% of the time.

- Forge gun. Alot of people are gonna cry about this but it needs to be said. Reduce the range and splash. This is supposed to be like a handheld railgun right? Then it needs to act like it. Why in the world would I consider bringing a railtank out when its easier to bring a forgegun? It does more damage, is more portable, and I can swap it out when its killed its target. You can swap out a tank, you're committed. As it currently is, its too good at everything. Reduce range, so it requires being close to get a kill, or atleast reduce damage over distance (isnt the heavy supposed to be a high HP brawler?) Theres no risk when they can just snipe across the map. Also, if its to be an AV weapon, remove some of the splash, as its currently being used to mop up new players in militia suits like cattle at the hamburger factory. If you still want a version thats good against infrantry, keep the short range, increase splash, and remove its antivehicle dmg.

- All other weapons feel about right in terms of balance, fluidity of gungame is overall much better before, especially with mouse support, but something still feels off and I can't quite put my finger on it. I really hope we one day have more customization options for our weapons, including different types of sights.

Other:

- Remove all WP rewards for action gained in any zone considered out of bounds for either team. This will fix snipers hiding on the edge of the map that can't be challenged. Before, I'd just just the railtank on them.

- Can we actually drop in when we spawn somewhere other than MCC and the CRU?

- WP, SP, and ISK from kills made in vehicles should be divided up equally amount people in a vehicle, as long as they are piloting or manning a gun. Passengers should get assists. Allow us to set default entry into vehicles based on squad, corp, standing etc.

- Can we get a 4 man, turretless LAV? Seems odd that you cant sit a whole squad in an LAV.

So someone adapts and you call it unfair? Sounds like your scared someone will get up and personal and you won't have the advantage with you AR anymore. Maybe you should go hide in the hills with the snipers, its much more difficult for me to drive up there if you think its unfair.

Lol, when did I ever say the word "unfair"?

Yea, did forget to mention swarms bending around cover. I've also had them just go thru cover to hit me. WTF