looks like you guys shortened the map so that the northern enemies can't spawn camp the enemy MCC in skirmish unless i'm looking at the ambush version of the map.

that was my only complaint for this map.

Purely anecdotal but this map seems to slighter favor the southern team. In ~2/3 of the games I've played the team that spawns in the south is the first to gain 2 NULL cannons and goes on to win the game. The impression I have is that the effective (i.e. not as via the air) distance to the points is slightly longer for the northern team.

This has held true for my games on this map regardless of where my team spawns.

Can any other testers provide their impressions on this subject to confirm or dispute this impression?

Cheers,
Cross

this map is far from balanced. the bottom gets redlined nearly every time with the spawn points so close and the map so small it doesn't take a lot to redline. the top side has a whole cliff side that belong to them while the bottom can be camped really easily.

if you own the three points and hurry to head off the enemies it is nearly impossible to dislodge them from the points and even harder to get vehicle support.

if there were some CRUs or something to help balance the map out it might work out, placing some clone units near the silo looking buildings or where the supply depot is in the ambush version might help out balancing along with moving the red line around a bit to help the bottom out so they aren't fish in a barrel.

Purely anecdotal but this map seems to slighter favor the southern team. In ~2/3 of the games I've played the team that spawns in the south is the first to gain 2 NULL cannons and goes on to win the game. The impression I have is that the effective (i.e. not as via the air) distance to the points is slightly longer for the northern team.

This has held true for my games on this map regardless of where my team spawns.

Can any other testers provide their impressions on this subject to confirm or dispute this impression?

Cheers,
Cross

I feel exactly this way too. It's just too easy for one of the teams to get 2 objectives right away and start dominating. Also, as someone else said, maybe a 4th objective would be a good idea. I think that having only 3 makes maps a bit too stale and predictable.

this is the other broken map. players spawning in the south can cap both lower points before the north even reaches the northern one. fun if your in the south. i just quit if i spawn in the north though

Rename this map to jagged edge

I like the dynamics of this map as an actual "Attacker" vs "Defender" map. The folks that Spawn on the South are clearly defending their territory.

CCP has done a very good job of creating the sense of an "uphill battle" with this map. The Attackers have a disadvantage as they have to attack uphill, and have a bit further to travel.

Not all battles start out fair. When these battles are to actually decide the fate of districts it will be important to know that Attackers start on one end, Defenders on the other. Attackers may have fewer resources available, and must plan accordingly.

As people work in Corporations and Alliances you can bet that strategies for each map will be devised to overcome some of the shortfalls.

In the current state of testing, I can understand why the balance feels off... it is because it is... and I believe that is by design. Only CCP can confirm or deny that though.

I think it is actually a bold and brilliant design choice, myself.

-=Drey=-

in this map buildings change every match... is AWESOME!!!

good work CCP <3

it is predictable, either top side or bottom side dominates. i have seen countless times where the top side struggles slightly in the beginning but as soon as AB and C are controlled it's over. the enemy has a slim chance to get out of it, and that is to try and take a point before they are shut out back into their base.

swarm launchers pepper the land for any LAVs that might try to sneak through and snipers proceed to pick them at their base.

i have actually perched myself staring into their base and start destroying vehicles as they try to call them in making sure their stay is permanent.

like STYLIE77 and i said, there needs to be more buildings and CRUs on the map to balance it a bit.

Seems like everyone overlooked major balance issues with this map...

C/D 6 section of the map gives a sniper too much view of the map, can shoot enemies hacking objectives and is easily able to kill enemies attempting to leave the spawn area. It needs to be similar to E 2/3 side as it does not provide view of everything (Objectives are mostly obscured) and is more reachable by enemies.

In the case that B objective gets a tall building, the first person who places an uplink on top is almost guaranteed to hold the location if given proper support by a sniper. A Forge Gunner or Swarm user who climbs to the top easily gets a view of most part of the map and is able to repeatedly deny the entry of enemy vehicles.

The only problem is that there are places on the map (mountain) where a sniper can not be killed by a sniper rifle. Although the head sticking out from behind a hill and shields flicker.

From Russia with Love

Ooh thanks for the update LogicLoop - and mentioning the sticky environment issues there are two areas that are always a problem:

1) When C has the burning structure that looks a bit like a busted gas pipe and has some extra bumpy terrain that isn't there with other structures - these bumps are very easy to stick to, not permanently but it slows you down to almost stationary and makes you very vulnerable in a gunfight.

2) There is a similar problem around the Eastern side of B when it has the large hexagonal prism containers and the supply depot up some stairs next to what looks like a helipad. Behind the structure that the supply depot is on there is another area of bumpy terrain that is very easy to get stuck on in the same manner as described earlier.

Dear Dust Community,

We want to inform you of a few changes to Manus Peak that will address your concerns. The redlining is a big concern for us. We want to ensure that you guys can safely get out into the battle.

First, the terrain in all of Plateaus has had a lot of beautiful work done to it. This also came with some adjustments to heights in the terrains. Some areas were lowered much more, and this will decrease chances of snipers having a large field of fire over the area.

Second, the Northern MCC drop location that can get spawn camped has been changed. Not drastically, but enough to protect players from this. We moved the MCC near some rocks to help provide cover. We also raised some of the terrain to block the site from the road, and we also adjusted the gameplay borders. This should prevent spawn camping from happening now. We will be testing this as much as possible this week.

Third, we are currently further tweaking the gameplay areas to try and help alleviate any disadvantages and odd behavior (like spawning rail gun tanks on mountain sides).

We really appreciate all this feedback and comments from you.

In addition. We would appreciate any further detail you can give on the actual areas you are getting stuck in permanent falls inside buildings. For example Luther Mandrix mentioned a one foot fall at the edge of the pad by Resupply at B. Detail of what sort of structures were around, or even a guess to what the area may have been (for example a small residential area) will really help us to identify these locations. Due to the vast number of map combinations, the more info you can give us the faster we can identify problematic areas.

With all that said, we want to thank you all for this great feedback and your support and love for our game. Battle on Mercs!

Django,

I know exactly the two areas you are talking about based on your descriptions. We will take a look at these and see what comes up. Thank you!

Second, the Northern MCC drop location that can get spawn camped has been changed. Not drastically, but enough to protect players from this. We moved the MCC near some rocks to help provide cover. We also raised some of the terrain to block the site from the road, and we also adjusted the gameplay borders. This should prevent spawn camping from happening now. We will be testing this as much as possible this week.

This is still broken. There's the top of the hill in C3, which is not red lined. If you can look at play logs, PsychoFreak78 utilized this a lot in my last battle as Big-Cheese. The player took a Baloch right under the MCC for more than 20 seconds without dying. He would sit at the rise of the hill and come down as you dropped out of the MCC. I sat in the MCC for a few minutes to see if this was a one off instance, but it was repeated multiple times. I'm gonna quit this map if I happen to get to be the defender on this map again.

Wasted quite a bit of my ISK, tbh. Pissed me off.

I agree with you there. The cord: 7c and 6c is where they camp, from there they can get good overview of the whole area, they can be perfecty safe there and its easy to attackers to get there while it's so hard for the defender to get there or kill the enemy there.

I don't mind getting killed by a sniper but when he/she is on a spot where I can't reach it really pisses me off, specially when I know where that person is.

Sounds good, but another excelent thing to do IMHO is to remove the possibility for the southern team to climb up to the highest mountain, while the northern one can't.
Or both factions should be able to get on the top of the mountain, or both shouldn't be able to reach it.

Hello,

I was playing on of the new variants of this map, the one where the B objective looks like a loading area.It has a large tarmac area and scattered large crates. It has a resupply station on the west side just off the edge of the tarmac that has no earthern mound (as i have seen with the other structures).

I managed to get stuck between the resupply station and the tarmac, unable to move jump or crouch but still able to swivel. shortly after that i was killed, after respawning i noticed another member of my team in the same predicament so i drove up a LAV which he was able to jump into.

Thanks

Thalen Shadow

Same happened to me at the Supply Dept at point B. Here is a min and half vid of it :(

http://www.twitch.tv/krythor/c/2140483