as wolfman said, the performance hit and dev work involved wouldn't be worth it, we lead our shots out of instinct because that's what we've always done.

there are more important things to do right now but yes it would be nice to buy a skill book that improves the bullet speed... or buy ammunition that has variable speed.

hit scan is just meh, snipe from 1 km away and insta hit. skillless.

My take is mobile dominated the convo.....I read more of what he wanted than what the devs plan to do

Hit scan is fine, I have no problem with it at all. Something like a railgun for example, do you know how fast they're supposed to travel? Regular projectiles are so fast that they can kill you before you even hear the sound of the shot firing, one would think that would only improve in the future.
Evading another player's aim on you is fine, but dodging bullets should not be possible.

Hit scan is fine, I have no problem with it at all. Something like a railgun for example, do you know how fast they're supposed to travel? Regular projectiles are so fast that they can kill you before you even hear the sound of the shot firing, one would think that would only improve in the future.
Evading another player's aim on you is fine, but dodging bullets should not be possible.

sounds to me like he's old school and invited here by old school fps players. old farts.

he asked all the right questions.

i bet he didnt buy his way in. he earned it.

Agreed, but no matter what speed the projectile flies at, you still have to lead a sufficiently distant target.

If "mobile" is me, then I was trying to keep up with a very busy chat, and thus made quite a few small posts instead of fewer, larger ones. I got in via MPT back in Replication. I bought a Merc Pack later to give the code to my friend.

The way I see it, projectile speed better emphasizes player skill, and allows for more variation between weapon types. For example:

Plasma < Bullet < Slug(Gauss) < Laser as far as speed is concerned.

I say that Plasma would be slowest because rather than accelerating a solid projectile that mostly keeps it's inertia over range, a Plasma weapon fires a ball of gas that has to travel through atmosphere of a similar mass, thus allowing it to be slowed far more easily over range. On the opposite end, you have a Laser weapon, which requires no target leading regardless of range, but only does it's full damage within a limited range, and only does that damage based on the time the beam is held on the target.

With those as either end of the spectrum, you can array the other weapons accordingly and make each one more unique and demanding of a particular skillset. If you wanted to get really crazy, when you have other planets introduced, you could take gravity into account with projectile weapons so that fighting on a smaller planet would allow you to have to compensate less for ballistic falloff. A railgun does indeed fire fast, but you're not going to beat gravity with a horizontal shot, and the projectile is still slower than the speed of light.

Hmm, I just think that would make the game too excessively complex and turn off a lot of potential first time players.

wow

How is having to lead your targets excessively complex, though? I hear so many complaints about low strafe speed and how it makes it too easy to just hold down the trigger and spray down people, but that isn't the whole issue. Even with strafe speed increased, with enough practice you can just jig the left stick back and forth and hit the trigger whenever the dot turns red.

It's not just leading your targets though. It's "Gun A will do this, but not that, even though it's similar to Gun B that does both this AND that. Gun C on the other hand is completely different, even though it's an Assault Rifle like both Gun A and Gun B." I dunno, maybe I'm over thinking it?

It's not just leading your targets though. It's "Gun A will do this, but not that, even though it's similar to Gun B that does both this AND that. Gun C on the other hand is completely different, even though it's an Assault Rifle like both Gun A and Gun B." I dunno, maybe I'm over thinking it?

you didnt read the other bits did you.

Seriously, was the "wow" good or bad?

you are kidding right?

1) It's referred to as "hit scan"

2) I would like to see them work on hit detection a bit more before they start adding hit-scan to weapons. Hit-scan typically works in games with small maps such as counter-strike where the bullet impact would be near-istantaneous anyways.

This could be used in DUST, but the maps are pretty large so adding hit-scan would take away from good snipers and AR users.

Ok, forget all the confusing BS. All I'm gonna say is that, at least for now, I'm against adding in any bullet traveling time or drop.

I'm confused now. You realize that hit-scan is basically what we have right now, right? Albeit server-side?

And that's what I get for not reading the OP. Take a lesson kids.

err. what? realism post coming up...

"Hey! so I just picked up this gun and I suck with it so my bullets are very slow..."
after some hours training with gun (or skill books)
"After using this gun allot I can now shoot the same gun faster.

that makes no sense... guns should have a static firing speed, damage and range. those are factors that can't changed with out modding of the weapon.