Title says it all.

*sigh*

Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror!

Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me.


I'll stop you, because you'll never come back.

Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me.


I'll stop you, because you'll never come back.

I've done it plenty of times. I'm not saying it's the easiest thing in the world to do, but it's certainly not as difficult as everyone makes it seem.

This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them.

If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free.

100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz


I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution.

100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz


I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution.

100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz


I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution.

*sigh*

Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror!

The great Noc Tempre surely wouldn't lie about things like that to protect the only thing he has skilled for in the upcoming tournament.

Get better at metagame. Zzzzz.

If anyone wants a real estimation of how easy it is to shoot a dropship with a Forge (it's nearly impossible) go test it yourself.

And I was there, Noc was crying a little bit on comms

You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields.

Try aiming before bitching

I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module

So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG.

I'm calling for a nerf.

So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG.

I'm calling for a nerf.

What? That makes no sense...

One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle.

(When the AV stuff actually hits them. Ignore the bugs for a moment here)

A forge can't handle it if the guy using the forge can be OHK by those proto launchers.

Proto launchers?

Drop ships are overpowered. But they do not need a nerf. Swarms need a speed boost. They shouldn't ever just disappear after a guy spins around a bit.

a speed boost further cripples tanks as swarms NAVIGATE AROUND corners to hit tanks most times and tanks have gotten hit with enough nerfs especially armor tanks

they need better tracking vs air targets and a nerf in tracking vs ground targets tbh

Turrets, whatever you want to call them.

Says a guy in the corporation devoted to using Dropships constantly. Again, zzzz.

The biggest trouble is how they work with the in-battle meta. Realistically 1 pilot, 1 gunner can dominate most games. A good pilot, like a good tanker, knows when it's simply too hot on the ground to make passes. No vehicle should stand up to multiple forge guns. Currently though Dropships ability to to alpha those positions is just silly. They can then retreat very easily into their redzones. Tanks however can be out manoeuvred.

Dropships only die because of gunner / pilot mistakes. I.E.
1.) you stayed in the field of fire of a forgegunner.
2.) you did not kill the forgegun before it killed your ride.

The biggest trouble is how they work with the in-battle meta. Realistically 1 pilot, 1 gunner can dominate most games. A good pilot, like a good tanker, knows when it's simply too hot on the ground to make passes. No vehicle should stand up to multiple forge guns. Currently though Dropships ability to to alpha those positions is just silly. They can then retreat very easily into their redzones. Tanks however can be out manoeuvred.

Dropships only die because of gunner / pilot mistakes. I.E.
1.) you stayed in the field of fire of a forgegunner.
2.) you did not kill the forgegun before it killed your ride.

Why not split AA and AG launchers then?

Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me.


I'll stop you, because you'll never come back.

More importantly: The tourny will suck now that every corp can afford to roll in 10 tanks per game.

Title says it all.

Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me.


I'll stop you, because you'll never come back.

Militia swarm launcher= 4,800 ISK.

My Myron loadout= 430,000 ISK.

Forge gun= 4,800 ISK.

Railgun installation: Free

Blaster installation: Free.

Sorry, learn to aim. I only get hit by swarms when I'm not paying attention. Use a forge gun.
The default suit should not be able to 1 hit dropships.
Back to COD Pl0x.

Splitting AA and AG just means that infantry will be totally vulnerable to either air of ground depending on which they choose.

Seriously, Dropships are a TRANSPORT. Gunships will be comming. I can understand those dominating the ground, but Dropships? They are classified as light aircraft. Like LAVs. So myron - saga. Gunships might well be having large turrets, and health of 7-8k. We don't know yet.

Dropships aren't being used as transports. Not working as intended. I can only assume they want data for those gunships.

medium actually
not gonna be able to drop off many people if you cant clear the area.
maybe they should remove miniguns from blackhawks as well

Title says it all.

medium actually
not gonna be able to drop off many people if you cant clear the area.
maybe they should remove miniguns from blackhawks as well

Forge guns should not be the only thing that can take out a dropship. They just need to fix SL soon

They should only have blasters ( machine guns ) mounted on them though and not infinite missiles playing the role of gunship/fighter jet. And as if anyone would actually be landing their dropship to get people around.. CRU , and jump the fk out when he says your on target

Swarm Launchers - fix required -
1. increase in speed - anti air rockets should be able to out accelerate flying targets other wise the are not fit for purpose.
2. Warhead size - increase the size of warheads so that it is on a par with the forge gun of equal level.
3. Ammo levels - Swarm Launchers should have greater ammo available, at least 2 full reloads available before the need for resupply.
4. Dumbfire - please fix this. there should be a panic, unguided, dumbfire for those close in emergencies.
5. Range - increase standard lock range to between 500 and 750 metres. Most modern AV missiles have effective ranges in the 1.5 to 2Km range.

From which I gather you have not flown a dropship and just assume that because you periodically see them flying unopposed they must be invincible win-buttons that never die.

Increase Capacity, First, increase the capacity on it so that they can fire 3-4 volleys before having to reload

Please use something other than the militia version before commenting on the effectiveness of an item. Only the militia swarm has 2 volleys per reload, the others have 4.

[Well intentioned ideas that miss the point.]

Another key aspect that is similar between ships and vehicles is the capacitor. A good way to grasp this concept is to think of capacitors as the energy source that powers everything in a vehicle. From weapon turrets to repair modules, almost everything that you fit on to your vehicle in DUST 514 will need to draw capacitor points in order to function. Because of the fusion technology that the capacitor is based on, you will never GÇ£run outGÇ¥ of capacitors in the long run, since it will always replenish itself over time. However, as you activate weapons, scanners, ECM and other modules over the course of a battle it is very likely that your vehicle will deplete its stock of capacitors in short order.

ThereGÇÖs an old adage that states GÇ£an enemy canGÇÖt attack what the enemy canGÇÖt see.GÇ¥ and this is certainly the case when we add electronic warfare to the battlefield. Advanced combat vehicles like the HAV require a host of electronic gadgets in order to identify, acquire, and dispatch threats effectively. Electronic counter-measures on the other hand, can leave your enemies blind and helpless on the field and often during critical moments.

Please use something other than the militia version before commenting on the effectiveness of an item. Only the militia swarm has 2 volleys per reload, the others have 4.

I actually don't use swarms, I'm a pilot and with the amount of bitching about swarms, I figured ya'll must need a boost.
But I also suggested a lower amount of damage per shot so to balance it out we give every swarm launcher more ammo, forgive me in having one error.

Swarm and forge combos can be very effective just sayin

They can be very effective in that they have the remote possibility of hitting. lol

Misses the point

Why not split AA and AG launchers then?

Title says it all.

If anyone wants a real estimation of how easy it is to shoot a dropship with a Forge (it's nearly impossible) go test it yourself.

Sorry Leither, You are dead wrong on this..Or are at least doing it wrong. Just like Forge Sniping infantry (I do it quite often), you need to learn to lead your targets. I take down Dropships with no Problem. Now I agree they DO need to up the Swarm Launcher speed a fraction (or maybe just on the higher level swarms), but this dribble about the Forge Guns not being effective against Drop Ships is just sad

It decidedly depends on the pilot. You can kill most of the guys hanging around in the public lobbies with a Forge because they don't have quite the experience other pilots do.

Kudos to those who HAVE figured out how to fly evasion maneuvers, but there's no way that those entitle you to being nigh-on invincible. xD

Go try it yourself and see how it fares. I don't know anyone "good" enough to consistently take down well-piloted dropships.

Go try it yourself and see how it fares. I don't know anyone "good" enough to consistently take down well-piloted dropships.

I'm running 2,564ish shields and some level one turrets, oh and a nice shield recharger. that comes to about 350,000 ISK, a forge gun costs 6,000. lets run some numbers.

you can buy: 60 forge guns for what it costs me to buy 1 myron.

my current average ISK per [FULL AMBUSH] match is 70K. a full match takes 15 minutes.
that's 6 matches and an hour and a half using militia blueprint gear to buy a single outfitted myron.

to earn back what it cost me to Buy my myron it has to survive 6 matches (90 min)

to earn what it cost you to buy a forge gun it will take you .0851 matches
....thinking what is .0851 matches? it's a minute and 20 seconds


quit whining.

*all numbers rounded for convenience of mental math*
*all decimals accurate to the third point*

Title says it all.

Dave, you guys just wind up too many people to get taken seriously, even though it's just a beta. Too many serious business people :P
Tournaments make people too competative to be forthcoming on imbalances/exploits.

I can't wait to hire you guys to go troll some people for a week :P

[quote=Tony Calif]I can't wait to hire you guys to go troll some people for a week :P

One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle.

Go try it yourself and see how it fares. I don't know anyone "good" enough to consistently take down well-piloted dropships.

I have a proto forge and practice every day with it. Doubtless Tritan loves their dropships as well. It's fantastic that such a swathe of people can be in denial about something verified by extensive testing.

I have a proto forge and practice every day with it. Doubtless Tritan loves their dropships as well. It's fantastic that such a swathe of people can be in denial about something verified by extensive testing.

Ask anyone who actually plays this game and they will tell you Tritan isn't known for their dropships..

Tanks didn't need to be nerfed, they just needed to either be harder to get, or require something special or unique to be able to call them.

I spent 2 hours last night scrimmaging vs our forge guns. Tumbling, tight turns, blitz passes, holding circles, they hit it all, and they downed me in an average of 10s. Get good.