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Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:49:00 -
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Title says it all. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:52:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Title says it all. You mean where the DS are too hard to hit because of the range nerf on the SL? |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:00:00 -
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*sigh*
Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:03:00 -
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The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror!
Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me.
I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:06:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back.
I've done it plenty of times. I'm not saying it's the easiest thing in the world to do, but it's certainly not as difficult as everyone makes it seem. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:11:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back.
This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them.
If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:11:00 -
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The Polish Hammer wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. I've done it plenty of times. I'm not saying it's the easiest thing in the world to do, but it's certainly not as difficult as everyone makes it seem.
Yeh it certainly isn't the easiest thing to do, trying to catch them when they are in their wide near straight turn is going to be tough, but not impossible. You have to give a little lead on your shot so that the DS flies into your blast.. sometimes it works, other times it just fails horribly. What I like to do is try and get a feel for thier flight pattern, then find the sweet spot on map where they are coming into the tightest point of thier turn and slightly stall.. then I hide there, wait and look up, BAM direct hit. Alot easier then trying to shoot one in a wide arc from a couple hundred meters |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:15:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free.
100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz
I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:18:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free. 100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution.
I spent 2 hours last night scrimmaging vs our forge guns. Tumbling, tight turns, blitz passes, holding circles, they hit it all, and they downed me in an average of 10s. Get good. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:19:00 -
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The great Noc Tempre surely wouldn't lie about things like that to protect the only thing he has skilled for in the upcoming tournament.
Get better at metagame. Zzzzz.
If anyone wants a real estimation of how easy it is to shoot a dropship with a Forge (it's nearly impossible) go test it yourself. |
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Skytt Syysch
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
235
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:21:00 -
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The forge gun should be given a lock-on function so people don't have to learn how to aim. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:23:00 -
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Its whoever abuses the most broken parts of the game which help ther playstyle will win tbh
So dropship pilots who can fly in circles really well
Tact AR users which are pretty much all of them
Lazer rifle not overheating
AV nade minefield exploit which most do abuse
etc etc etc |
Moochie Cricket
SyNergy Gaming
143
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:35:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free. 100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution.
You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields.
Try aiming before bitching |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:35:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free. 100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution. I call bullshit on you, forge guns are the best and actually an effective solution against dropships. Swarms are broken yes but the forge AV guys I have played with tear apart dropships.
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Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:36:00 -
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The Polish Hammer wrote:*sigh* Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror!
I responded to the OP. It was specifically about SL and DS. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:38:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:The great Noc Tempre surely wouldn't lie about things like that to protect the only thing he has skilled for in the upcoming tournament.
Get better at metagame. Zzzzz.
If anyone wants a real estimation of how easy it is to shoot a dropship with a Forge (it's nearly impossible) go test it yourself. And I was there, Noc was crying a little bit on comms |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:41:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:The great Noc Tempre surely wouldn't lie about things like that to protect the only thing he has skilled for in the upcoming tournament.
Get better at metagame. Zzzzz.
If anyone wants a real estimation of how easy it is to shoot a dropship with a Forge (it's nearly impossible) go test it yourself. And I was there, Noc was crying a little bit on comms
Why you have to be like that? |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:42:00 -
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Moochie Cricket wrote:You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields.
Try aiming before bitching
Quote:I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module
So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG.
I'm calling for a nerf. |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2047
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:44:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields.
Try aiming before bitching Quote:I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:45:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields.
Try aiming before bitching Quote:I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf.
What? That makes no sense... |
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Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:47:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields.
Try aiming before bitching Quote:I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. What? That makes no sense...
Which part? The dropships are overpowered part, or...oh, sorry that's pretty much the only thing. |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:48:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields.
Try aiming before bitching Quote:I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle.
A forge can't handle it if the guy using the forge can be OHK by those proto launchers. |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:53:00 -
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Drop ships are overpowered. But they do not need a nerf. Swarms need a speed boost. They shouldn't ever just disappear after a guy spins around a bit. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
785
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:57:00 -
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Dropships are not overpowered. I'd actually say they are too easy to kill! (When the AV stuff actually hits them. Ignore the bugs for a moment here)
The main overpowered thing on any vehicle, be it dropship, LAV, or HAV.. (And such has been the case since day one) is that the turrets are just too damn good against everything.
When stuff actually hits you in a vehicle, it hurts. A lot.
I haven't even specced into vehicles this build (nor do i plan to, until I've specced fully into knives, scout suits, heavies, etc.) but I've driven a few. The resistance change was far too harsh and vehicles are utter glass now. |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:25:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:(When the AV stuff actually hits them. Ignore the bugs for a moment here)
I actually agree with your entire post, Nova, but I can't just ignore the bugs. Not when there's literally a tournament barely seven days hence. |
Cloudy Zan
107
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:37:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Moochie Cricket wrote:You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields.
Try aiming before bitching Quote:I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle. A forge can't handle it if the guy using the forge can be OHK by those proto launchers. Proto launchers? |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:38:00 -
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Cloudy Zan wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Quote:I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle. A forge can't handle it if the guy using the forge can be OHK by those proto launchers. Proto launchers?
Turrets, whatever you want to call them. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1058
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:39:00 -
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If you want to hit it, fire when it's flying towards you.
If that doesn't work, try sortof a pincer movement- have 1 person fire from ahead of it, one from behind (sacrificing 2 people to take 3 more effective people out of commission can be worth it)
Just don't expect to destroy it- I've shot them plenty of times, and every time they would just fly into the redzone and fly back with full shields. |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming
334
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:04:00 -
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Even if you do take down a dropship theres the new fun part where Eve isk is transferred to DUST so isk is now meaningless. You could spend 5mins taking down a dropship as soon as they respawn theres another no problem.
Tournament feels way to rushed in my opinion. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:10:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Drop ships are overpowered. But they do not need a nerf. Swarms need a speed boost. They shouldn't ever just disappear after a guy spins around a bit.
a speed boost further cripples tanks as swarms NAVIGATE AROUND corners to hit tanks most times and tanks have gotten hit with enough nerfs especially armor tanks
they need better tracking vs air targets and a nerf in tracking vs ground targets tbh |
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