DUST Search - The tourny will suck if SL v Dropships isn't fixed

Knightshade Belladonna wrote:

Gunner Needed wrote:

Tony Calif wrote:

Splitting AA and AG just means that infantry will be totally vulnerable to either air of ground depending on which they choose.

Seriously, Dropships are a TRANSPORT. Gunships will be comming. I can understand those dominating the ground, but Dropships? They are classified as light aircraft. Like LAVs. So myron - saga. Gunships might well be having large turrets, and health of 7-8k. We don't know yet.

Dropships aren't being used as transports. Not working as intended. I can only assume they want data for those gunships.

medium actually
not gonna be able to drop off many people if you cant clear the area.
maybe they should remove miniguns from blackhawks as well

They should only have blasters ( machine guns ) mounted on them though and not infinite missiles playing the role of gunship/fighter jet. And as if anyone would actually be landing their dropship to get people around.. CRU , and jump the fk out when he says your on target

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SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1772	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:16:00 - [31] - Quote Yea, this tournament is making me think less of CCP's ability to deduce the state of there community. The only way I'd find this acceptable is if the tournament literally had no vehicles, but then that's highly unfair for pilots and people who specced that way. They should of just done some open event like they did last time. Maybe put up special matches with special rules and force people to pay ISK to get in. Just make people feel special, it's all they really want. But I do like the idea of going up against the Dev team if you win the tournament. If Zion wins and I get in that game, I'm going to spam them with every lame bug and trick in the book till the devs rage quit there own game. Like hiding inside a letter Node with a shotgun, god the people who figured out that bug lamed E objective on the 5 letter map.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:17:00 - [32] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: Drop ships are overpowered. But they do not need a nerf. Swarms need a speed boost. They shouldn't ever just disappear after a guy spins around a bit. a speed boost further cripples tanks as swarms NAVIGATE AROUND corners to hit tanks most times and tanks have gotten hit with enough nerfs especially armor tanks they need better tracking vs air targets and a nerf in tracking vs ground targets tbh Why not split AA and AG launchers then?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:05:00 - [33] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41902&find=unread Missiles are Op, due to Passive skill bonuses and insane damage modules. Dropships are simply the best delivery method. Swarms need fixing. Forgeguns would be sufficient, if you could survive long enough to get a few shots off.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:11:00 - [34] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Cloudy Zan wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Logi Bro wrote: So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle. A forge can't handle it if the guy using the forge can be OHK by those proto launchers. Proto launchers? Turrets, whatever you want to call them. Ya damage output on vehicle turrets is insane right now but I'm telling you there are good AV guys out there who have been getting sh*t done since before the tank nerf. positioning is key
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:15:00 - [35] - Quote Says a guy in the corporation devoted to using Dropships constantly. Again, zzzz.
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:27:00 - [36] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Says a guy in the corporation devoted to using Dropships constantly. Again, zzzz. When literally every post is against you, did you ever stop to consider maybe you're the one that is wrong?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:38:00 - [37] - Quote The biggest trouble is how they work with the in-battle meta. Realistically 1 pilot, 1 gunner can dominate most games. A good pilot, like a good tanker, knows when it's simply too hot on the ground to make passes. No vehicle should stand up to multiple forge guns. Currently though Dropships ability to to alpha those positions is just silly. They can then retreat very easily into their redzones. Tanks however can be out manoeuvred. Dropships only die because of gunner / pilot mistakes. I.E. 1.) you stayed in the field of fire of a forgegunner. 2.) you did not kill the forgegun before it killed your ride.
Cloudy Zan 107	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:44:00 - [38] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: The biggest trouble is how they work with the in-battle meta. Realistically 1 pilot, 1 gunner can dominate most games. A good pilot, like a good tanker, knows when it's simply too hot on the ground to make passes. No vehicle should stand up to multiple forge guns. Currently though Dropships ability to to alpha those positions is just silly. They can then retreat very easily into their redzones. Tanks however can be out manoeuvred. Dropships only die because of gunner / pilot mistakes. I.E. 1.) you stayed in the field of fire of a forgegunner. 2.) you did not kill the forgegun before it killed your ride. Trust me there are tactics that can be used against a dropship to great effect. You just have to find them
SATORI CORUSCANTi Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2012.10.20 22:44:00 - [39] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: The biggest trouble is how they work with the in-battle meta. Realistically 1 pilot, 1 gunner can dominate most games. A good pilot, like a good tanker, knows when it's simply too hot on the ground to make passes. No vehicle should stand up to multiple forge guns. Currently though Dropships ability to to alpha those positions is just silly. They can then retreat very easily into their redzones. Tanks however can be out manoeuvred. Dropships only die because of gunner / pilot mistakes. I.E. 1.) you stayed in the field of fire of a forgegunner. 2.) you did not kill the forgegun before it killed your ride. I completely agree with this, and that's why I can't see how dropships are so OP. A forge gunner will counter them. If they focus on killing the forge gunners to protect their dropship, they're doing it right.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:09:00 - [40] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Icy Tiger wrote: Drop ships are overpowered. But they do not need a nerf. Swarms need a speed boost. They shouldn't ever just disappear after a guy spins around a bit. a speed boost further cripples tanks as swarms NAVIGATE AROUND corners to hit tanks most times and tanks have gotten hit with enough nerfs especially armor tanks they need better tracking vs air targets and a nerf in tracking vs ground targets tbh Why not split AA and AG launchers then? +1 this was what I was thinking would be a good solution to the SL problems. Have 2 different types of SL's, ones that are strictly for Anti-Air and one for Ground Armor. Make a specific weapon for Ariel Vehicles and this problem will soon sort itself out, also remember there are 2 more Ariel Vehicles coming. One looks to be a Light and not sure if the Dropship is a Heavy or Medium but whatever it is there will be another. So there will be other methods of taking out DS's and they might be more OP than the current problem so be patient before the cries of NERF go out and lets see how things play out. On the topic of the tournament, the fact that everyone and anyone can spec into a DS or anything else for that matter shouldn't give you an excuse not to be prepared.

steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 338	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:17:00 - [41] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. wow iv never had an issue it just takes a bit of thought and learning how to lead, :\
Chao Wolf Imperfects Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:21:00 - [42] - Quote as a forge user I say bring on the flying popcorn.
Maximus Creed ZionTCD Legacy Rising 68	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:22:00 - [43] - Quote More importantly: The tourny will suck now that every corp can afford to roll in 10 tanks per game.
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 334	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:23:00 - [44] - Quote Maximus Creed wrote: More importantly: The tourny will suck now that every corp can afford to roll in 10 tanks per game. 10? HA thats nothing lol, can roll 100's if you want. 16v16 Tank battles!
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.20 23:25:00 - [45] - Quote Splitting AA and AG just means that infantry will be totally vulnerable to either air of ground depending on which they choose. Seriously, Dropships are a TRANSPORT. Gunships will be comming. I can understand those dominating the ground, but Dropships? They are classified as light aircraft. Like LAVs. So myron - saga. Gunships might well be having large turrets, and health of 7-8k. We don't know yet. Dropships aren't being used as transports. Not working as intended. I can only assume they want data for those gunships.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.10.21 00:16:00 - [46] - Quote Yeah, that's the core of the problem. I've said as much in the feedback forums.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.21 00:17:00 - [47] - Quote Dropships go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Edit: Bang bang bang bang
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.21 00:21:00 - [48] - Quote Who cares about the ISK influx? Please, bring in all the tanks you want. It'll make for more ISK earned for me taking them out.
Fiasco Llana Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 251	Posted - 2012.10.21 00:22:00 - [49] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Title says it all. Militia swarm launcher= 4,800 ISK. My Myron loadout= 430,000 ISK. Forge gun= 4,800 ISK. Railgun installation: Free Blaster installation: Free. Sorry, learn to aim. I only get hit by swarms when I'm not paying attention. Use a forge gun. The default suit should not be able to 1 hit dropships. Back to COD Pl0x.
droidb0ne BetaMax. 12	Posted - 2012.10.21 01:14:00 - [50] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. Lol@urpimpleface. Get back on cod-horsey. And ride until ur ass hurts

Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.10.21 01:25:00 - [51] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Title says it all. Militia swarm launcher= 4,800 ISK. My Myron loadout= 430,000 ISK. Forge gun= 4,800 ISK. Railgun installation: Free Blaster installation: Free. Sorry, learn to aim. I only get hit by swarms when I'm not paying attention. Use a forge gun. The default suit should not be able to 1 hit dropships. Back to COD Pl0x. You didn't seem to understand his post. He was saying swarms simply don't hit their targets currently, not that they should OHK everything. So sorry, learn to read.
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.21 01:33:00 - [52] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Splitting AA and AG just means that infantry will be totally vulnerable to either air of ground depending on which they choose. Seriously, Dropships are a TRANSPORT. Gunships will be comming. I can understand those dominating the ground, but Dropships? They are classified as light aircraft. Like LAVs. So myron - saga. Gunships might well be having large turrets, and health of 7-8k. We don't know yet. Dropships aren't being used as transports. Not working as intended. I can only assume they want data for those gunships. medium actually not gonna be able to drop off many people if you cant clear the area. maybe they should remove miniguns from blackhawks as well
Blunt Smkr Doomheim 62	Posted - 2012.10.21 03:38:00 - [53] - Quote Forge guns should not be the only thing that can take out a dropship. They just need to fix SL soon
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.21 04:13:00 - [54] - Quote Gunner Needed wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Splitting AA and AG just means that infantry will be totally vulnerable to either air of ground depending on which they choose. Seriously, Dropships are a TRANSPORT. Gunships will be comming. I can understand those dominating the ground, but Dropships? They are classified as light aircraft. Like LAVs. So myron - saga. Gunships might well be having large turrets, and health of 7-8k. We don't know yet. Dropships aren't being used as transports. Not working as intended. I can only assume they want data for those gunships. medium actually not gonna be able to drop off many people if you cant clear the area. maybe they should remove miniguns from blackhawks as well Yeah, swap them for semi auto missile launchers. Missiles aren't clearing an area, they're clearing most of the map.
Riot Ruckus Doomheim 56	Posted - 2012.10.21 08:19:00 - [55] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Title says it all. You should have dropships of your own if you are competing...
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.10.21 09:01:00 - [56] - Quote Gunner Needed wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Splitting AA and AG just means that infantry will be totally vulnerable to either air of ground depending on which they choose. Seriously, Dropships are a TRANSPORT. Gunships will be comming. I can understand those dominating the ground, but Dropships? They are classified as light aircraft. Like LAVs. So myron - saga. Gunships might well be having large turrets, and health of 7-8k. We don't know yet. Dropships aren't being used as transports. Not working as intended. I can only assume they want data for those gunships. medium actually not gonna be able to drop off many people if you cant clear the area. maybe they should remove miniguns from blackhawks as well They should only have blasters ( machine guns ) mounted on them though and not infinite missiles playing the role of gunship/fighter jet. And as if anyone would actually be landing their dropship to get people around.. CRU , and jump the fk out when he says your on target
Riot Ruckus Doomheim 56	Posted - 2012.10.21 09:26:00 - [57] - Quote Blunt Smkr wrote: Forge guns should not be the only thing that can take out a dropship. They just need to fix SL soon forge guns take skill. The only way i am okay with a fix is if swarm launcher proficiency increases a rockets rate of travel.
Gunner Needed The Southern Legion 111	Posted - 2012.10.21 14:07:00 - [58] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Gunner Needed wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Splitting AA and AG just means that infantry will be totally vulnerable to either air of ground depending on which they choose. Seriously, Dropships are a TRANSPORT. Gunships will be comming. I can understand those dominating the ground, but Dropships? They are classified as light aircraft. Like LAVs. So myron - saga. Gunships might well be having large turrets, and health of 7-8k. We don't know yet. Dropships aren't being used as transports. Not working as intended. I can only assume they want data for those gunships. medium actually not gonna be able to drop off many people if you cant clear the area. maybe they should remove miniguns from blackhawks as well They should only have blasters ( machine guns ) mounted on them though and not infinite missiles playing the role of gunship/fighter jet. And as if anyone would actually be landing their dropship to get people around.. CRU , and jump the fk out when he says your on target still gotta pick them up. there is more than 1 objective
Evane Sa'edi Celtic Anarchy 62	Posted - 2012.10.21 14:49:00 - [59] - Quote Swarm Launchers - fix required - 1. increase in speed - anti air rockets should be able to out accelerate flying targets other wise the are not fit for purpose. 2. Warhead size - increase the size of warheads so that it is on a par with the forge gun of equal level. 3. Ammo levels - Swarm Launchers should have greater ammo available, at least 2 full reloads available before the need for resupply. 4. Dumbfire - please fix this. there should be a panic, unguided, dumbfire for those close in emergencies. 5. Range - increase standard lock range to between 500 and 750 metres. Most modern AV missiles have effective ranges in the 1.5 to 2Km range.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.10.21 14:53:00 - [60] - Quote Why not just say "remove dropships from the game", because that's what your suggestions will end up with.



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