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Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.10.20 17:49:00 - [1] - Quote Title says it all.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.20 17:52:00 - [2] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Title says it all. You mean where the DS are too hard to hit because of the range nerf on the SL?
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:00:00 - [3] - Quote sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror!
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:03:00 - [4] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back.
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:06:00 - [5] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. I've done it plenty of times. I'm not saying it's the easiest thing in the world to do, but it's certainly not as difficult as everyone makes it seem.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:11:00 - [6] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:11:00 - [7] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. I've done it plenty of times. I'm not saying it's the easiest thing in the world to do, but it's certainly not as difficult as everyone makes it seem. Yeh it certainly isn't the easiest thing to do, trying to catch them when they are in their wide near straight turn is going to be tough, but not impossible. You have to give a little lead on your shot so that the DS flies into your blast.. sometimes it works, other times it just fails horribly. What I like to do is try and get a feel for thier flight pattern, then find the sweet spot on map where they are coming into the tightest point of thier turn and slightly stall.. then I hide there, wait and look up, BAM direct hit. Alot easier then trying to shoot one in a wide arc from a couple hundred meters
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:15:00 - [8] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free. 100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:18:00 - [9] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free. 100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution. I spent 2 hours last night scrimmaging vs our forge guns. Tumbling, tight turns, blitz passes, holding circles, they hit it all, and they downed me in an average of 10s. Get good.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:19:00 - [10] - Quote The great Noc Tempre surely wouldn't lie about things like that to protect the only thing he has skilled for in the upcoming tournament. Get better at metagame. Zzzzz. If anyone wants a real estimation of how easy it is to shoot a dropship with a Forge (it's nearly impossible) go test it yourself.
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:21:00 - [11] - Quote The forge gun should be given a lock-on function so people don't have to learn how to aim.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:23:00 - [12] - Quote Its whoever abuses the most broken parts of the game which help ther playstyle will win tbh So dropship pilots who can fly in circles really well Tact AR users which are pretty much all of them Lazer rifle not overheating AV nade minefield exploit which most do abuse etc etc etc
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming 143	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:35:00 - [13] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free. 100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution. You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields. Try aiming before bitching
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:35:00 - [14] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Noc Tempre wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! Try to hit a Dropship flying in a circle with a Forge Gun and come back to me. I'll stop you, because you'll never come back. This means you are not good, not dropships are impossible to hit; we have no trouble removing them. If you can't destroy dropships than that is your problem. Perhaps everything shouldn't be possible for free. 100% bullshit Noc, but you were full of **** about tanks, too. You just want to protect whatever you're abusing today. zzzzz I have extensively tested the Forge Gun vs. Dropships. It isn't consistent nor practical as a solution. I call bullshit on you, forge guns are the best and actually an effective solution against dropships. Swarms are broken yes but the forge AV guys I have played with tear apart dropships.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:36:00 - [15] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: sigh Oh no, someone will have to use a forge gun! Oh the horror! I responded to the OP. It was specifically about SL and DS.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:38:00 - [16] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: The great Noc Tempre surely wouldn't lie about things like that to protect the only thing he has skilled for in the upcoming tournament. Get better at metagame. Zzzzz. If anyone wants a real estimation of how easy it is to shoot a dropship with a Forge (it's nearly impossible) go test it yourself. And I was there, Noc was crying a little bit on comms
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:41:00 - [17] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: The great Noc Tempre surely wouldn't lie about things like that to protect the only thing he has skilled for in the upcoming tournament. Get better at metagame. Zzzzz. If anyone wants a real estimation of how easy it is to shoot a dropship with a Forge (it's nearly impossible) go test it yourself. And I was there, Noc was crying a little bit on comms Why you have to be like that?
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:42:00 - [18] - Quote Moochie Cricket wrote: You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields. Try aiming before bitching Quote: I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:44:00 - [19] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields. Try aiming before bitching Quote: I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:45:00 - [20] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields. Try aiming before bitching Quote: I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. What? That makes no sense...
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:47:00 - [21] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields. Try aiming before bitching Quote: I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. What? That makes no sense... Which part? The dropships are overpowered part, or...oh, sorry that's pretty much the only thing.
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:48:00 - [22] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields. Try aiming before bitching Quote: I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle. A forge can't handle it if the guy using the forge can be OHK by those proto launchers.
Icy Tiger Universal Allies Inc. 1026	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:53:00 - [23] - Quote Drop ships are overpowered. But they do not need a nerf. Swarms need a speed boost. They shouldn't ever just disappear after a guy spins around a bit.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 785	Posted - 2012.10.20 18:57:00 - [24] - Quote Dropships are not overpowered. I'd actually say they are too easy to kill! (When the AV stuff actually hits them. Ignore the bugs for a moment here) The main overpowered thing on any vehicle, be it dropship, LAV, or HAV.. (And such has been the case since day one) is that the turrets are just too damn good against everything. When stuff actually hits you in a vehicle, it hurts. A lot. I haven't even specced into vehicles this build (nor do i plan to, until I've specced fully into knives, scout suits, heavies, etc.) but I've driven a few. The resistance change was far too harsh and vehicles are utter glass now.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2012.10.20 19:25:00 - [25] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: (When the AV stuff actually hits them. Ignore the bugs for a moment here) I actually agree with your entire post, Nova, but I can't just ignore the bugs. Not when there's literally a tournament barely seven days hence.
Cloudy Zan 107	Posted - 2012.10.20 19:37:00 - [26] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Moochie Cricket wrote: You must suck at using a forge gun because I get hit by them all the time. The only reason I dont die all the time is because I have ~4,500 shields. Try aiming before bitching Quote: I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle. A forge can't handle it if the guy using the forge can be OHK by those proto launchers. Proto launchers?
Logi Bro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 836	Posted - 2012.10.20 19:38:00 - [27] - Quote Cloudy Zan wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Quote: I have proto accelerated missile launchers with a 20% damage increase module So let me get this straight...4,500+shields, proto launchers, a shield booster, proto damage buff modules, and who knows what else all on a Myron? So yeah....I'm thinking dropships have way too much CPU and PG. I'm calling for a nerf. One swarm hit can knock them upside down and that much hp is nothing a forge can't handle. A forge can't handle it if the guy using the forge can be OHK by those proto launchers. Proto launchers? Turrets, whatever you want to call them.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.20 19:39:00 - [28] - Quote If you want to hit it, fire when it's flying towards you. If that doesn't work, try sortof a pincer movement- have 1 person fire from ahead of it, one from behind (sacrificing 2 people to take 3 more effective people out of commission can be worth it) Just don't expect to destroy it- I've shot them plenty of times, and every time they would just fly into the redzone and fly back with full shields.
Baracka Flocka Flame SyNergy Gaming 334	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:04:00 - [29] - Quote Even if you do take down a dropship theres the new fun part where Eve isk is transferred to DUST so isk is now meaningless. You could spend 5mins taking down a dropship as soon as they respawn theres another no problem. Tournament feels way to rushed in my opinion.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.10.20 21:10:00 - [30] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Drop ships are overpowered. But they do not need a nerf. Swarms need a speed boost. They shouldn't ever just disappear after a guy spins around a bit. a speed boost further cripples tanks as swarms NAVIGATE AROUND corners to hit tanks most times and tanks have gotten hit with enough nerfs especially armor tanks they need better tracking vs air targets and a nerf in tracking vs ground targets tbh

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