Yes, because it makes perfect sense that people can strafe and run backwards just as fast as sprinting forward.

I think it's more a balancing of realism than strafe combat in close quarters.

By the way, if you're depending on bouncing around a guy in tight quarters to kill him you should probably go back to CoD. No offense.

Well, CCP could decide to go with Killzone-style controls and weapons effects ...

Yes, because it makes perfect sense that people can strafe and run backwards just as fast as sprinting forward.

I think it's more a balancing of realism than strafe combat in close quarters.

By the way, if you're depending on bouncing around a guy in tight quarters to kill him you should probably go back to CoD. No offense.

I reckon the changes are good

You win!

I don't see anyone topping that...

I actually didn't notice significant changed in strafing speed. Why everyone complain so much about this?
All in all, gun fight feels better now and I the game itself in general has more fun for me.

Lol. From my perspective, the frame rate issues reduced. The hit detection has improved ten fold. So, I'm getting value for straight aim, for the first time since the very first build I played, the one just after fan fest. In the build before this, precursor, I could unload a clip, see some hit markers but then some lag spike could occur and the enemy has suddenly bounced a few metres away and boom I'm dead...but so far this build, if I aim for he head, see hit markers, they go down, because there is less lag, better frame rate and a more balanced strafe...that's what I mean when I say I reckon the changes are good...

Is that better KB?

Very much so, thank you sir.

Thats actually a very good point, with accurate headshots the enemy will drop very fast indeed. So tanking up and having a high DPS weapon is the way to go perhaps.

Scrambler time?

No offense.

If the controls weren't so horribly awful (aiming), they could increase strafe speed and it wouldn't affect anything. But since the controls suck beyond suck, the only way to make it so more people could actually hit a target, was to reduce the strafe speed.

Not exactly a solution though, as they didn't actually fix the problem, just masked it with slower strafe speed, which = easier targeting for bad controls.

Yes, because it makes perfect sense that people can strafe and run backwards just as fast as sprinting forward.

I think it's more a balancing of realism than strafe combat in close quarters.

By the way, if you're depending on bouncing around a guy in tight quarters to kill him you should probably go back to CoD. No offense.

If the controls weren't so horribly awful (aiming), they could increase strafe speed and it wouldn't affect anything. But since the controls suck beyond suck, the only way to make it so more people could actually hit a target, was to reduce the strafe speed.

Not exactly a solution though, as they didn't actually fix the problem, they just masked it with slower strafe speed which simply means easier targeting for bad controls.

by reducing the strafe speed... Well done indeed, now pat yourselves on the back and acknowledge what a great job you've done.

I'm especially thrilled about it since it will turn the game even more towards "blob warfare", I'll unlock a Logi suit tonight.

Please continue to cater to players who isn't as good as me at aiming and moving about, they need all the help they can get.

Honesty filter: On

You have nerfed my scout suit, no longer can i bunny hop around and avoid 3ppl all firing at me

I now have to travel with my team and can no longer lonewolf it while i take on 5guys at once and kill them all because hit detection doesnt work with this suit

You have now catered to players who can aim and that is unfair, i want my advantage back because i need it and abuse it to get kills because i have no other way of doing it, i need all the help i can get

Honesty filter: On

You have nerfed my scout suit, no longer can i bunny hop around and avoid 3ppl all firing at me

I now have to travel with my team and can no longer lonewolf it while i take on 5guys at once and kill them all because hit detection doesnt work with this suit

You have now catered to players who can aim and that is unfair, i want my advantage back because i need it and abuse it to get kills because i have no other way of doing it, i need all the help i can get

Erh I use an assault suit...?

Really dont care because your crying, your still trying to run around like a headless chicken and getting shot at

Cover try using it for a change

Really dont care because your crying, your still trying to run around like a headless chicken and getting shot at

Cover try using it for a change

I actually didn't notice significant changed in strafing speed. Why everyone complain so much about this?
All in all, gun fight feels better now and I the game itself in general has more fun for me.

Posting a vid from the Precursor build will violate the NDA even if the NDA has been lifted. I'm pretty damned sure of it.

@ Snake
You aren't bitter at all that KingBabar was better than you at MAG. When you weren't driving vehicles through walls an into people spawns aye snake. You'd NEVER fo any kida glitching or abuse game mechanics. Stop being a little ***** an get over it.

They've actually catered to skill free nOObs who don't have any situational awareness or ability to burst fire. The game play now boils down to killing people the second they pop their head out of cover. Like, before tey can fire back, because their strafe speed is now terrible.

Sorry, but anyone who couldn't hit the scout last build was just terrible with a gun.
I noticed you whining about scout a lot snake.
Go figure.

Dust is now Battlefield514 Bad games company.

@ Snake
You aren't bitter at all that KingBabar was better than you at MAG. When you weren't driving vehicles through walls an into people spawns aye snake. You'd NEVER fo any kida glitching or abuse game mechanics. Stop being a little ***** an get over it.

They've actually catered to skill free nOObs who don't have any situational awareness or ability to burst fire. The game play now boils down to killing people the second they pop their head out of cover. Like, before tey can fire back, because their strafe speed is now terrible.

Sorry, but anyone who couldn't hit the scout last build was just terrible with a gun.
I noticed you whining about scout a lot snake.
Go figure.

Dust is now Battlefield514 Bad games company.

lol fail tony

Bitter about my driving skills

I could hit the scout, but my shots never registered

Like BF3 lolno, at least grouping works well and it can hold more players aswell

QQ more plz

That came out wrong...

Edit:

So true, I am a headless chicken. Seriously, no pun intended. As a friend watching me playing said: "You have no skill KB, none at all, except for chaos control which you're extremely good at."

Its just that with the combination of enemy bullets hitting me, making me move slower, and the reduced speed I really can't get behind cover fast enough to prevent me dying lots of the times.

And I do have the opinion that laying down more or less accurate fire on an opponent while strafeing and avoiding being shot in return is an essential skill of any good FPS player. When the auto-aim is fast enough to follow my strafe speed this element of gameplay is removed.

And is it so that roaming in a blob of friendlies, going in and out of cover is the only way this game is supposed to be played? Its not like my lone wolfing isn't helping out the team, you should know this from my MAG playstyle. In Dust, many many times have my 3 squadmates attacked an objective while I run around. I face 6 enemies busy with shooting my advancing friends, thus as a team, with our mini"hammer and anvi" approach we have taken many objectives this way.

Its a sad development and putting me down won't help your case.

He said bad company, which was an amazing game.

Yes, because it makes perfect sense that people can strafe and run backwards just as fast as sprinting forward.

I think it's more a balancing of realism than strafe combat in close quarters.

By the way, if you're depending on bouncing around a guy in tight quarters to kill him you should probably go back to CoD. No offense.

Yes my 2meg connection is hard wired to CCP lol.
Have you not noticed they removed AR recoil? Dumb fire swarms? BUFFED THE MASS DRIVER?!?! Scoped recoil on snipers. The list goes on... the game is now just a camping fest... It's like the tankers who won't use militia tanks. They're just not very good players in that role.

Why use a milita tank when for an extra 62k you can have a gunlogi?

If the controls weren't so horribly awful (aiming), they could increase strafe speed and it wouldn't affect anything. But since the controls suck beyond suck, the only way to make it so more people could actually hit a target, was to reduce the strafe speed.

Not exactly a solution though, as they didn't actually fix the problem, they just masked it with slower strafe speed which simply means easier targeting for bad controls.

Why use a milita tank when for an extra 62k you can have a gunlogi?

Because my Sica killed your gunloggi alot last build. And so did my Soma. Like I say, some people don't perform well in certain roles.

Marauders take HAV5 from what I've heard.

Yes my 2meg connection is hard wired to CCP lol.
Have you not noticed they removed AR recoil? Dumb fire swarms? BUFFED THE MASS DRIVER?!?! Scoped recoil on snipers. The list goes on... the game is now just a camping fest... It's like the tankers who won't use militia tanks. They're just not very good players in that role.

There is no difference in strafing speeds. They're complaining because hit detection works better, thus their strafing doesn't work anymore. Strafing was only a problem before because of the lag, which is where the hit detection complaints arose. When you strafe, basically you're moving before your body does for other people, including yourself. Depending on your ping, you'll see it at a different location than someone else.
Strafing is always an exploit, in every game. Until connections all get a ping of 0, no matter what, you'll have to deal with compensating for lag if fast movement is involved. There put in a lag compensation system to work it out themselves, and as such, people are now complaining that they can't dodge bullets. When, in reality, they never were dodging bullets, just walking faster than their character.

(A ping of X ms means you are seeing everything X milliseconds behind what has already happened, and you need to compensate by that amount of time..)

Agreed, hit detection is MUCH better. HOWEVER, the strafe speed IS a little slower. I know the reason they did this was to fix the issue of scouts being invincible with left/right/left/right strafe, but from what I've played, it's overkill. Hit detection is better, strafe speed could have been left alone. If it were STILL a problem, then re-evaluate. Right now the scout lost it's only counterbalance to its low EHP. Strafe needs to be bumped back to last build... or at least somewhere between now and last build.

Just think about it: (last build)
Scout Suit: Lower CPU/PG, lower EHP, high speed.
Heavy Suit: Moderate CPU/PG, highest EHP, slowest speed
Assault: Moderate everything
Logi: High CPU/PG, moderate-to- moderately low everything else

There was a sense of balance. Right now, while the scout does run fast, the strafe is reduced. And that was PART of his only real advantage.

PS. This is coming from someone who doesn't really use scout suits.

This game has been being dumbed down since april. The game has been getting more camper friendly since the E3 build released in june. This game isn't going to prosper unless CCP removes the camper friendly gameplay found in every other shooter released this holiday season.

This game has been being dumbed down since april. The game has been getting more camper friendly since the E3 build released in june. This game isn't going to prosper unless CCP removes the camper friendly gameplay found in every other shooter released this holiday season.

I have no problems with the straffing right now. As a matter of fact im enjoying it. I was able to take out some of the bigger playas out here.

Adapt!

Yes, because it makes perfect sense that people can strafe and run backwards just as fast as sprinting forward.

I think it's more a balancing of realism than strafe combat in close quarters.

By the way, if you're depending on bouncing around a guy in tight quarters to kill him you should probably go back to CoD. No offense.

Unfortunately the way that many people adapt will be to just camp.

I'm just fed up of games which are designed for the lowest skill level available. Everything I'd heard about a hardcore, unforgiving new Eden seems like a pile of BS. No friendly fire, no recoil, targets pretty much stand still, and massively OP orbital strikes. Which you get for repairing stuff. In your spawn.

Btw, camping does win games of you do it right. But its very boring.

Are you trolling? Your posted somewhere that you don't see any change in the radar either. Or strafe speed. Or recoil now. I don't mean to be rude but you are wrong on all accounts...

I'm just fed up of games which are designed for the lowest skill level available. Everything I'd heard about a hardcore, unforgiving new Eden seems like a pile of BS. No friendly fire, no recoil, targets pretty much stand still, and massively OP orbital strikes. Which you get for repairing stuff. In your spawn.

Btw, camping does win games of you do it right. But its very boring.

Wow, agreed. I wanted a new Tough, harder then normal FPSMMO. What I am getting is the kiddie version of that same game.

Dust is slowing down with each build, instead of fights we get groups attacking groups. There is no real skill in your mob of players vs my mob of players. Thats why the poster above sees no difference Tony, he is not skill fighting.

Lolz @ me not skill fighting! Youngcuz went negative against me last night! Thats Mr NoSkill for you! ForkU and the other dude rage quit last night in the same game! Atleast Youngcuz stayed on and took his beating like a man!

Oh and BTW STB and a lot of the other top alliances have in the past invited me to join them because I have "Skillz"!

Im done with y'all! Enjoy and see ya on the battlefield!

1) who are you?
2) You like most everyone else, probably were in a group of 5-10 guys running around the map picking off 1 player at a time. Ooh look at me I killed Youncuz with my 5 other buddies, oooh I am big boy now..

Where are you on the leaderboard, where is Youngcuz at? hmm I wonder who is the better player..

Ok, now that the Epeen kid had his post can we get back to real discussions about the game.

best thing that could have happened to dust is if you lot hadnt been invited. notice the past tense, because dust is already dead, gone too far to save. you lot circle jerking the devs and they for being silly enough to listen to you.

I'm going to miss being able to take on 5 nubs at once dance around their bullets matrix style, but I think its a good change, the hardcore players are still hardcore they just have to play different and give up the black leather trench coat, the game isn't getting dumber its just becoming more tactical and requiring a higher level of team work.

This change perfectly resembles New Eden, one pilot rarely takes on 5 and wins, there is exceptions of course but generally teamwork beats elite solo dude.

I'm just fed up of games which are designed for the lowest skill level available. Everything I'd heard about a hardcore, unforgiving new Eden seems like a pile of BS. No friendly fire, no recoil, targets pretty much stand still, and massively OP orbital strikes. Which you get for repairing stuff. In your spawn.

Btw, camping does win games of you do it right. But its very boring.

Lolz @ me not skill fighting! Youngcuz went negative against me last night! Thats Mr NoSkill for you! ForkU and the other dude rage quit last night in the same game! Atleast Youngcuz stayed on and took his beating like a man!

Oh and BTW STB and a lot of the other top alliances have in the past invited me to join them because I have "Skillz"!

Im done with y'all! Enjoy and see ya on the battlefield!

1) who are you?
2) You like most everyone else, probably were in a group of 5-10 guys running around the map picking off 1 player at a time. Ooh look at me I killed Youncuz with my 5 other buddies, oooh I am big boy now..

Where are you on the leaderboard, where is Youngcuz at? hmm I wonder who is the better player..

Ok, now that the Epeen kid had his post can we get back to real discussions about the game.

Okay, so you are stating that he is using the same tactics that I have seen STB use on many occasions. No this is not aimed at you DP. I have played with you or against you less than the rest of STB so I will not comment on your play style at all. I will however not reed you insult people on the same tactics that youncuz, quickgloves and doe use more than anyone I have seen. But this was called working as a team ask them they will say it was. Go ahead ask that will be the answer.

P.S. Sorry I wanted to get back on topic but I could not watch someone that have took advice from and respected for a good while now try to rip someone for the way that they play the game. In your own words the "best way to play is how you are comfortable playing it".

Guess what, I don't play EvE. Do you people even remember that Dust is aimed at PS3 FPS players? Or is it an EvE expansion. I don't want to have to get militant about EvE players again...

Killzone is the only high recoil, high health game I can think of. +1 Proto (getcha forum game up yo)

I still haven't read or experienced anything that puts recent changes in a negative light.

The changes are for the better.

Aim > Strafe
Look @ CS, a VERY realistic game. Strafing is dealt with by decreased weapon accuracy. Tbh, in CS, if you want to shoot anyone, you want to be crouching and stationary, and burst fire. That's quite a lot to add to the mechanics to all weapons, though I posted about that at sometime. However it became clear we had good arena mechanics that allowed for tactical gameplay.
Strafing isn't a "skill" it's simply how the game allows you to interact with your surrounding. It's part of movement.

Listen to the intro video. Fast and frantic the women said. Not slow and meditated.

He said bad company, which was an amazing game.

I won't go as far as to say that skill is gone from the game, but a lot of what made fire fights fun is gone and controls in general feel much more sluggish and unresponsive.

The strafe speed nerf makes sense in the context of strafing needing to be several percentage points south of forward motion in terms of top speed - I would even suggest faking the effect of momentum by having the current movement speed figure negatively on acceleration on directional changes, rather than a real application of momentum by the physics engine that would be not only resource intensive but also difficult to apply properly and probably end up feeling too floaty.

I compared movement in this game to fighting on office chairs. This un-natural movement combined with the poor hit detection made for a frustrating game at times. However, this definitely needs to rounded off quite a bit. Movement is now wholly unnatural and unsatisfying.

Well stated. Also, strafing should affect accuracy. Walking/running sideways and shooting is awkward.

All movement currently makes accuracy lower. when you move you will notice the cross-hairs open wider. If you are saying this should be more severe on strafing, I would disagree.

Moving slower, and thus taking less frequent steps gives you more time to adjust your aim for disruptions caused by taking steps than while jogging or sprinting.
Sidestepping in this case would also be more of a series of jumping jack like hops which would be easy for a skilled soldier to adjust for - We are talking about athletic individuals here.

I think the AR could use a LOT more recoil tbh, but decreased by skills.
As I say in every thread like this, the "Trinity" that would help is

1. A small buff (10-20%) to lateral strafe speed

2. Heightened recoil on assault rifles, decreasable by skills

3. Tiered strafe speeds for dropsuits; Scout - fast, Assault - moderate, logi - moderate, heavy - slow.

This would bring more skill and unpredictablity to gunfights without going to one extreme or the other.

A compromise, if you will.

by reducing the strafe speed... Well done indeed, now pat yourselves on the back and acknowledge what a great job you've done.

I'm especially thrilled about it since it will turn the game even more towards "blob warfare", I'll unlock a Logi suit tonight.

Please continue to cater to players who isn't as good as me at aiming and moving about, they need all the help they can get.

So........ by hit detections being bad, you were better at aiming, and when hit detection is fixed, your a bad player?



If you thought last build, with hit detection issues, was better in terms of hit detection, then you are a very strange and philosophically warped individual

Last build, a scout suit player could just zig zag and use the hit detection issues to his favour, now a person zig zags and its still a smart and typical FPS tactic (and those who complain against strafe speed im against) but now its not the engine ******* peoples aim up.