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Alhanna Ridgeway
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:00:00 -
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Is the community systematically trying to get everything to just be Assault Rifles
Ive seen Tank Nerfs, Dropship Nerfs, callings for a Shotgun and Sniper Rifle Nerf, Forge Gun Nerfs, Remote Explosives Nerfs, and I saw a Terrain Nerf thread today.
What the **** are you trying to do? If you want everyone to run around with an AR please go play another damn game. Get the hell out of this one, let this one be different for people who are tired of playing COD, BF3, and any other bunny hopping, buddy butt fuc king, spray and pray, ****** ass game. For the love of god everyone does not want to play that ****. It's boring and the same thing we've been playing for years. I want something different, something I have to think about, strategize with a team, play as a team, I don't want to see everyone running around with the same damn weapon. I want to see tanks, and bombers, and ships, and fighter jets, snipers, mortar teams, artillery, all that ****. I want to feel like Im in a battle, not like Im on a damn paintball field. I can go play paintball anytime if I want to. When I play a game I want something else.
I know everyone thinks they are God's Gift to FPS. I know everyone thinks they are the best player in the whole world, and that sniper can't possible be better than you. That tank driver can't possibly be better than you cause you use a fuc king AR. I know you think you're King **** because you use an AR, but you aren't, the tank driver and sniper just might happen to be smarter, or just want to play something different, or dare I say it better than you. I know it's hard for gamers to admit they aren't the best player at that particular game, but if you keep dieing to something, maybe it isn't OP, maybe you just suck. I know I know, how can I say that, we're all top 10 material, that's why there are 1000 entries on the leaderboards, I know none of us can possibly be worse than someone else.
So my question, once everyone is running with just assault rifles, what are you gonna nerf next? Suits? Or perhaps we'll start nerfing individual playstations, maybe the top 100 players should have a 3 second delay in there commands, make them less OP? Or perhaps we should make all their inputs backwards? Yes Yes that sounds good. |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:05:00 -
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It will be a white screen at release, you play it by staring quietly at it with your hands folded in your lap. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:11:00 -
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They already nerfed breach assault rifles. Don't see anyone using them now do ya... The tactical NEEDs a damage decrease, I can't imagine how easy it is with a KBM. Breach needs a bit of an increase. The Nerf was too heavy. No creodons this build.
And erm... Assault rifles are jack of all trades gun. Ofcourse everyone uses them. You could always try one out... |
Scholar Him
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:12:00 -
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Agreed. The vast majority of players I run into are all using assault rifles. They need to increase the spread on those guns. They have everything going for them, and really no drawback. |
BBox11 Herk11
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:12:00 -
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Hahaha, that is exactly right my friend. Everybody wants to be the best and some of us realize that we will never be the best and we live with it. But some don't realize it and when they see they are not top of the leader board they cry and moan how something that they don't use is OP!
I really hope this game doesn't become like COD, the reason i left COD is there is to many Arrogant kids on there that cuss and cry every time they die. I don't want Dust to be like that, although CCP has made it to where EvE has very few of those arrogant kids, so maybe Dust will follow in EvE's footsteps |
Logi Bro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
836
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:18:00 -
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People DID ask for a nerf for assault rifles, and they HAVE been nerfed, you should have seen me when I took people down from twice the range I can now with twice as great accuracy with a CreoDron Breach AR, and did it twice as fast because of the godly damage it did. ALSO that terrain nerf thread was sarcastic, if you didn't pick that up, he was making fun of the fact everyone asks for everything to be nerfed. That sniper ISN'T better than me, that tank ISN'T better than me, they had a class that was designed to beat my class, just like I'm NOT better than that shotguner I killed at range with my AR. You seem to have based this thread completely on the precursor build, which is sad, because people weren't even close to as nerf-happy as they are now as the E3 build. |
Jin Robot
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:18:00 -
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I dont envy CCP, trying to make us lot happy with a balanced game is not easy. I have faith though. For their next balancing trick they should try balancing 40 eggs in one vast egg tower. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:19:00 -
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When your long range and short range weapons start to consistently trump your mid-range weapons at mid-range - there's a problem.
The core of the game is FPS. When your ancillary TPS vehicles start to undermine the core FPS and cease to be ancillary - there's a problem. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:22:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:When your long range and short range weapons start to consistently trump your mid-range weapons at mid-range - there's a problem.
The core of the game is FPS. When your ancillary TPS vehicles start to undermine the core FPS and cease to be ancillary - there's a problem.
Is that an ar user 60m away? Sniper time! |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:24:00 -
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I saw the terrain nerf thread today too -- it was kind of epic.
If you didn't get it, please see also:
Nerf Lamppost
[Request] Nerf Scissors
[Request] Nerf Weapons
Nerf RoyalDerTeuful |
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:26:00 -
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Longshot Ravenwood wrote:
We don't joke about lamposts last build.
Bye bye logi lav... |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:27:00 -
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I too have noticed a increasing trend... I see an ever increasing trend in whiners, and people just complaining about any and everything they can possibly complain about. Herp-a-derp! Honestly it will never stop. People suck. Seriously though people calling everything a "nerf" only proves that those people obviously do not know what they what are talking about, or that they even know what that word means. How you "nerf" something in a [beta] is beyond me. I guess that is a new one on me. Especially since nothing is set in stone, or what it will be by the final product. Atleast the complaining is worth a decent laugh. I find it sad though. Some of you need to learn though.
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Jane DeArc
Militaires Sans Jeux
87
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:34:00 -
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Looks like I'm making a new AR assault with heavy shields character who carries AV grenades. |
GarryKE
Omnispace Trading Company
60
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:37:00 -
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Nerf jumping. Yes, I went there.
I use a Breach. I don't like it though. Just spent ISK and skill points on anything I fancied to learn how to use everything. But I do really hope they don't open this game up to idiotisation like COD and BF3. I'll stop talking there. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:38:00 -
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Jane DeArc wrote:Looks like I'm making a new AR assault with heavy shields character who carries AV grenades. Kiss dat shist goodbye when i use my charge rifle |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:40:00 -
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GarryKE wrote:Nerf jumping. Yes, I went there. I use a Breach. I don't like it though. Just spent ISK and skill points on anything I fancied to learn how to use everything. But I do really hope they don't open this game up to idiotisation like COD and BF3. I'll stop talking there.
Stand strong breach user, your dps will raise someday |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:41:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:They already nerfed breach assault rifles. Don't see anyone using them now do ya... The tactical NEEDs a damage decrease, I can't imagine how easy it is with a KBM. Breach needs a bit of an increase. The Nerf was too heavy. No creodons this build. Generally agree.
Tony Calif wrote:And erm... Assault rifles are jack of all trades gun. Ofcourse everyone uses them. You could always try one out... I actually don't have a single custom fit with the AR. Of course I've used one, I've used just about everything at least once, but I try for other angles. They do serve a great mid purpose both in range and in role, but you know what they say "jack of all trades, master of none".
My 0.02 ISK Cross
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Jane DeArc
Militaires Sans Jeux
87
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:43:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jane DeArc wrote:Looks like I'm making a new AR assault with heavy shields character who carries AV grenades. Kiss dat shist goodbye when i use my charge rifle
How do you get so many likes? Do you and the rest of the STB just sit around hitting like at each other in your thread? You never post anything sensible, helpful, or even honest.
You're here talking about the lowest investment for highest power sniper rifle, and in another thread complaining about how OP they are.
Likewise, you're arguing to NERF the weapons you're claiming to use to counter me so my investment in AR would be the investment in the only thing no one will cry to have nerfed, thus a solid investment. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:48:00 -
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The one thing people need to understand first and foremost is that right now we do not have probably even half of the gear, equipment, and everything in between at our disposal. Meaning that everytime they introduce something "new" they need to constantly go back and tweek, and review every item currently implemented and then decide if needs changing for the time being. Tanks for instant. We do not even have half of everything we need to combat them, and it showed in-game. The game(s) were heavily lopsided, and unbalanced. Thus for the time being till we (infantrymen) get more proper anti-vehicle equipment they have seen a rebalance at the moment. Increasing the amount of initial ISK proved not enough, but it proved it was the right direction to take. Again it's all about balance -- infact checks & balances. Even in EVE CCP is constantly having to go back and rebalance items come every expansion. They are doing it now even. It's something you will just have to get used to in an games such as these. Right now though CCP has a good opurtunity. We're in closed testing and can balance everything properly before final product and release. Does this mean it will be the end of balancing? Nope. Just that we'll see less of it over time. I garuntee when we get more of our proper anti-vehicle equipment we'll see a rebalancing in both tanks, and other items.
Fretting over this sort of stuff is just childish. If you wanted to be proper what you need to do is be rational, and logical. See what those effects have and properly outline them and document them in the correct sections. Screaming "nerf" and crying "nerf" at every turn is pathetic. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:49:00 -
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Jane DeArc wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Jane DeArc wrote:Looks like I'm making a new AR assault with heavy shields character who carries AV grenades. Kiss dat shist goodbye when i use my charge rifle How do you get so many likes? Do you and the rest of the STB just sit around hitting like at each other in your thread? You never post anything sensible, helpful, or even honest. You're here talking about the lowest investment for highest power sniper rifle, and in another thread complaining about how OP they are. Likewise, you're arguing to NERF the weapons you're claiming to use to counter me so my investment in AR would be the investment in the only thing no one will cry to have nerfed, thus a solid investment.
The poinr is I'm gonna one shot your investment using something i pay considerably less for. Wanna know how i get so many likes? I don't act like a b*tch |
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STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:51:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
The one thing people need to understand first and foremost is that right now we do not have probably even half of the gear, equipment, and everything in between at our disposal. Meaning that everytime they introduce something "new" they need to constantly go back and tweek, and review every item currently implemented and then decide if needs changing for the time being. Tanks for instant. We do not even have half of everything we need to combat them, and it showed in-game. The game(s) were heavily lopsided, and unbalanced. Thus for the time being till we (infantrymen) get more proper anti-vehicle equipment they have seen a rebalance at the moment. Increasing the amount of initial ISK proved not enough, but it proved it was the right direction to take. Again it's all about balance -- infact checks & balances. Even in EVE CCP is constantly having to go back and rebalance items come every expansion. They are doing it now even. It's something you will just have to get used to in an games such as these. Right now though CCP has a good opurtunity. We're in closed testing and can balance everything properly before final product and release. Does this mean it will be the end of balancing? Nope. Just that we'll see less of it over time. I garuntee when we get more of our proper anti-vehicle equipment we'll see a rebalancing in both tanks, and other items.
Fretting over this sort of stuff is just childish. If you wanted to be proper what you need to do is be rational, and logical. See what those effects have and properly outline them and document them in the correct sections. Screaming "nerf" and crying "nerf" at every turn is pathetic.
Just wait. All the nerfs will be undone at lauch or when we get a decent amout of stuff. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:57:00 -
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Again. Calling them "nerfs" is wrong. Especially where we stand currently in the games life span. What I can tell you is that by release almost everything will have seen some form of tweeking or rebalancing. I could almost garuntee that tanks will be different still by release. Adjustments are necessary at the moment. Especially with more and more items, and mechanics being introduced to us the players and the game itself. Including more bugs, glitches, and hang-ups. |
Ieukoplast
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2012.09.17 03:59:00 -
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For the most part, nerfing and buffing things is meant to bring better balance. You talk of wanting to see all different types of players on the battlefield. Well when we have something, like the tanks for example, severely more powerful than everything in the game by a long shot (and near impossible to take out), then that means we will just end up with a game where everybody is driving a tank (which is nearly exactly what we got in the previous build).
Nerfing the tanks and buffing the ability to take out tanks brought better balance, because now Joe-anybody can't just call up a tank, easily go 30-0 and win the match by a landslide. To be most effective they will have to work with their teammates, who bring various talents and player classes to the battle.
I'm not saying all nerfs and buffs are going to result in a more balanced game, but the tank nerf and AV buff certainly helped the game more than hurt it. Generally, nerfs/buffs are to make it so no one single thing in the game can be the end-all solution to everything.
To give an example of another game. Warhawk utilizes the rock-paper-scissors type of balance, and each part of the pie is countered by something else. When the tanks were all uber powerful in the previous build, it was just rock-paper. (care to guess which one the tanks fell under? ) |
Chew B0CCA
58
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:40:00 -
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Nerf, nerf, nerf. Everything should be nerfed.
The problem is, everyone wants the weapon they're going to use at launch to be the most powerful. Take Vermaak Doe for example. Is he playing a sniper and suggesting it gets nerfed out of the goodness of his heart? Is he a sniper that would rather have more of a challenge come launch? Does he believe he has too much of an advantage with a sniper rifle? Of course not.
He believes OTHER people have too much of an advantage with the sniper rifle, so he's playing with one and then coming on the boards to cry for a nerf. Why? Because when the game launches, he'll have his amazing AR that can shoot as far as a sniper and hit as hard. And then he'll be king. Because every other weapon or way of playing that is contrary to how he plays will be useless.
All he does is come on the boards and try to influence CCP so he'll have the advantage when the battles actually mean something. He's not stupid.
And guess what, we all do it. I do it. We all want our weapons to be the best. It's human nature. And on these boards, we see some of the worst of it.
I just hope CCP can see through it like the rest of us can. Their track record isn't great when it comes to that stuff... |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:45:00 -
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Chew B0CCA wrote:Nerf, nerf, nerf. Everything should be nerfed.
The problem is, everyone wants the weapon they're going to use at launch to be the most powerful. Take Vermaak Doe for example. Is he playing a sniper and suggesting it gets nerfed out of the goodness of his heart? Is he a sniper that would rather have more of a challenge come launch? Does he believe he has too much of an advantage with a sniper rifle? Of course not.
He believes OTHER people have too much of an advantage with the sniper rifle, so he's playing with one and then coming on the boards to cry for a nerf. Why? Because when the game launches, he'll have his amazing AR that can shoot as far as a sniper and hit as hard. And then he'll be king. Because every other weapon or way of playing that is contrary to how he plays will be useless.
All he does is come on the boards and try to influence CCP so he'll have the advantage when the battles actually mean something. He's not stupid.
And guess what, we all do it. I do it. We all want our weapons to be the best. It's human nature. And on these boards, we see some of the worst of it.
I just hope CCP can see through it like the rest of us can. Their track record isn't great when it comes to that stuff...
Tomorrow see me actually play a match before trying to assess what i use most often and you will find my ar isn't at advanced and is now lower than my sniper skills, what i usr is the swarm launcher and forge so i will prove it by using a advanced forge
Also thanks for the compliment and i do like the.shape av is now tbh
I simply want to keep ohk out of an eve related game( that includes swarms to militia lavs even though it'll hurt my kdr) but some ohks are ok considering the requirements to use them, as in being vehicle mounted or stationary |
Chew B0CCA
58
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:48:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Chew B0CCA wrote:Nerf, nerf, nerf. Everything should be nerfed.
The problem is, everyone wants the weapon they're going to use at launch to be the most powerful. Take Vermaak Doe for example. Is he playing a sniper and suggesting it gets nerfed out of the goodness of his heart? Is he a sniper that would rather have more of a challenge come launch? Does he believe he has too much of an advantage with a sniper rifle? Of course not.
He believes OTHER people have too much of an advantage with the sniper rifle, so he's playing with one and then coming on the boards to cry for a nerf. Why? Because when the game launches, he'll have his amazing AR that can shoot as far as a sniper and hit as hard. And then he'll be king. Because every other weapon or way of playing that is contrary to how he plays will be useless.
All he does is come on the boards and try to influence CCP so he'll have the advantage when the battles actually mean something. He's not stupid.
And guess what, we all do it. I do it. We all want our weapons to be the best. It's human nature. And on these boards, we see some of the worst of it.
I just hope CCP can see through it like the rest of us can. Their track record isn't great when it comes to that stuff... Tomorrow see me actually play a match before trying to assess what i use most often and you will find my ar isn't at advanced and is now lower than my sniper skills, what i usr is the swarm launcher and forge so i will prove it by using a advanced forge Also thanks for the compliment and i do like the.shape av is now tbh
OK.... So you're trying to influence CCP so you'll never get sniped while you use your forge gun or swarm launcher. The argument remains the same. So... yeah.... |
Chew B0CCA
58
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:50:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Chew B0CCA wrote:Nerf, nerf, nerf. Everything should be nerfed.
The problem is, everyone wants the weapon they're going to use at launch to be the most powerful. Take Vermaak Doe for example. Is he playing a sniper and suggesting it gets nerfed out of the goodness of his heart? Is he a sniper that would rather have more of a challenge come launch? Does he believe he has too much of an advantage with a sniper rifle? Of course not.
He believes OTHER people have too much of an advantage with the sniper rifle, so he's playing with one and then coming on the boards to cry for a nerf. Why? Because when the game launches, he'll have his amazing AR that can shoot as far as a sniper and hit as hard. And then he'll be king. Because every other weapon or way of playing that is contrary to how he plays will be useless.
All he does is come on the boards and try to influence CCP so he'll have the advantage when the battles actually mean something. He's not stupid.
And guess what, we all do it. I do it. We all want our weapons to be the best. It's human nature. And on these boards, we see some of the worst of it.
I just hope CCP can see through it like the rest of us can. Their track record isn't great when it comes to that stuff... Tomorrow see me actually play a match before trying to assess what i use most often and you will find my ar isn't at advanced and is now lower than my sniper skills, what i usr is the swarm launcher and forge so i will prove it by using a advanced forge Also thanks for the compliment and i do like the.shape av is now tbh
Lol. Almost didn't see the best part of your post. You like how AV is now, because, as you said, you use the forge and swarm. Of course you like where AV is. Tanks just got nerfed. Haha. You are funny, dude.
And you're welcome for the compliment. You're a smart man. Smart man, indeed. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:51:00 -
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It's so i don't get ohk by a militia/standard rifle in an advanced heavy/scout |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:52:00 -
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This thread is 100% pointless. Do you think just maybe the person who has the assault rifle might just be better than the guy padding his stats with a tank?
We're done here. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:53:00 -
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I did attempt to skill tanks pre nerf but i never got to the 40 0 level before the nerf so i couldn't truely sympathize even though my some of my corp uses tanks |
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