When your long range and short range weapons start to consistently trump your mid-range weapons at mid-range - there's a problem.

The core of the game is FPS. When your ancillary TPS vehicles start to undermine the core FPS and cease to be ancillary - there's a problem.

I saw the terrain nerf thread today too -- it was kind of epic.

If you didn't get it, please see also:

Nerf Lamppost

[Request] Nerf Scissors

[Request] Nerf Weapons

Nerf RoyalDerTeuful

Looks like I'm making a new AR assault with heavy shields character who carries AV grenades.

Nerf jumping. Yes, I went there.

I use a Breach. I don't like it though. Just spent ISK and skill points on anything I fancied to learn how to use everything. But I do really hope they don't open this game up to idiotisation like COD and BF3.
I'll stop talking there.

They already nerfed breach assault rifles. Don't see anyone using them now do ya... The tactical NEEDs a damage decrease, I can't imagine how easy it is with a KBM. Breach needs a bit of an increase. The Nerf was too heavy. No creodons this build.

And erm... Assault rifles are jack of all trades gun. Ofcourse everyone uses them. You could always try one out...

Kiss dat shist goodbye when i use my charge rifle

How do you get so many likes? Do you and the rest of the STB just sit around hitting like at each other in your thread? You never post anything sensible, helpful, or even honest.

You're here talking about the lowest investment for highest power sniper rifle, and in another thread complaining about how OP they are.

Likewise, you're arguing to NERF the weapons you're claiming to use to counter me so my investment in AR would be the investment in the only thing no one will cry to have nerfed, thus a solid investment.

The one thing people need to understand first and foremost is that right now we do not have probably even half of the gear, equipment, and everything in between at our disposal. Meaning that everytime they introduce something "new" they need to constantly go back and tweek, and review every item currently implemented and then decide if needs changing for the time being. Tanks for instant. We do not even have half of everything we need to combat them, and it showed in-game. The game(s) were heavily lopsided, and unbalanced. Thus for the time being till we (infantrymen) get more proper anti-vehicle equipment they have seen a rebalance at the moment. Increasing the amount of initial ISK proved not enough, but it proved it was the right direction to take. Again it's all about balance -- infact checks & balances. Even in EVE CCP is constantly having to go back and rebalance items come every expansion. They are doing it now even. It's something you will just have to get used to in an games such as these. Right now though CCP has a good opurtunity. We're in closed testing and can balance everything properly before final product and release. Does this mean it will be the end of balancing? Nope. Just that we'll see less of it over time. I garuntee when we get more of our proper anti-vehicle equipment we'll see a rebalancing in both tanks, and other items.

Fretting over this sort of stuff is just childish. If you wanted to be proper what you need to do is be rational, and logical. See what those effects have and properly outline them and document them in the correct sections. Screaming "nerf" and crying "nerf" at every turn is pathetic.

Nerf, nerf, nerf. Everything should be nerfed.

The problem is, everyone wants the weapon they're going to use at launch to be the most powerful. Take Vermaak Doe for example. Is he playing a sniper and suggesting it gets nerfed out of the goodness of his heart? Is he a sniper that would rather have more of a challenge come launch? Does he believe he has too much of an advantage with a sniper rifle? Of course not.

He believes OTHER people have too much of an advantage with the sniper rifle, so he's playing with one and then coming on the boards to cry for a nerf. Why? Because when the game launches, he'll have his amazing AR that can shoot as far as a sniper and hit as hard. And then he'll be king. Because every other weapon or way of playing that is contrary to how he plays will be useless.

All he does is come on the boards and try to influence CCP so he'll have the advantage when the battles actually mean something. He's not stupid.

And guess what, we all do it. I do it. We all want our weapons to be the best. It's human nature. And on these boards, we see some of the worst of it.

I just hope CCP can see through it like the rest of us can. Their track record isn't great when it comes to that stuff...

Tomorrow see me actually play a match before trying to assess what i use most often and you will find my ar isn't at advanced and is now lower than my sniper skills, what i usr is the swarm launcher and forge so i will prove it by using a advanced forge

Also thanks for the compliment and i do like the.shape av is now tbh

Tomorrow see me actually play a match before trying to assess what i use most often and you will find my ar isn't at advanced and is now lower than my sniper skills, what i usr is the swarm launcher and forge so i will prove it by using a advanced forge

Also thanks for the compliment and i do like the.shape av is now tbh

Is the community systematically trying to get everything to just be Assault Rifles

Ive seen Tank Nerfs, Dropship Nerfs, callings for a Shotgun and Sniper Rifle Nerf, Forge Gun Nerfs, Remote Explosives Nerfs, and I saw a Terrain Nerf thread today.

What the **** are you trying to do? If you want everyone to run around with an AR please go play another damn game. Get the hell out of this one, let this one be different for people who are tired of playing COD, BF3, and any other bunny hopping, buddy butt fuc king, spray and pray, ****** ass game. For the love of god everyone does not want to play that ****. It's boring and the same thing we've been playing for years. I want something different, something I have to think about, strategize with a team, play as a team, I don't want to see everyone running around with the same damn weapon. I want to see tanks, and bombers, and ships, and fighter jets, snipers, mortar teams, artillery, all that ****. I want to feel like Im in a battle, not like Im on a damn paintball field. I can go play paintball anytime if I want to. When I play a game I want something else.

I know everyone thinks they are God's Gift to FPS. I know everyone thinks they are the best player in the whole world, and that sniper can't possible be better than you. That tank driver can't possibly be better than you cause you use a fuc king AR. I know you think you're King **** because you use an AR, but you aren't, the tank driver and sniper just might happen to be smarter, or just want to play something different, or dare I say it better than you. I know it's hard for gamers to admit they aren't the best player at that particular game, but if you keep dieing to something, maybe it isn't OP, maybe you just suck. I know I know, how can I say that, we're all top 10 material, that's why there are 1000 entries on the leaderboards, I know none of us can possibly be worse than someone else.

So my question, once everyone is running with just assault rifles, what are you gonna nerf next? Suits? Or perhaps we'll start nerfing individual playstations, maybe the top 100 players should have a 3 second delay in there commands, make them less OP? Or perhaps we should make all their inputs backwards? Yes Yes that sounds good.

This thread is 100% pointless. Do you think just maybe the person who has the assault rifle might just be better than the guy padding his stats with a tank?

We're done here.

Agreed. The vast majority of players I run into are all using assault rifles. They need to increase the spread on those guns. They have everything going for them, and really no drawback.

No drawback? How about you try and use one and not run out of ammo really quickly.

It's so i don't get ohk by a militia/standard rifle in an advanced heavy/scout

Hold on there. You don't think you should be killed by a militia or standard rifle if you're in an advanced scout suit? Really?

The scout suit, advanced or otherwise, has less armor/shields than any other class. If you're not supposed to be killed with a militia rifle, then what's the point of having militia stuff?

New players will be coming in all the time, and they should be able to have fun and get some kills using militia stuff. You are a smart man, but that my friend is a terrible argument.

And the heavy? The militia should require multiple shots (headshot or not) to kill something none militia

OK, so you agree with me about the scout. We're making progress here.

On to the heavy. You CAN'T headshot heavies. Can not do it. I've hit heavies with my charge and it hasn't even taken all their shields. I think you should be able to one shot everyone, but CCP sees it differently. No one can one shot advanced heavies with any type of sniper rifle. Sorry. Calling BS on that one too.

What? I've killed a heavy woth one shot and a charge. Idk what level suit but it's a bad sign when the heavy armour dies to one shot

Full health and what does 250 plus the damage bonus to sniper rifles that headshots give and weaponry 4, sniper level 3 and the second tier damage modifier equal?

Not nearly enough to kill a full health heavy. Do we even know what the headshot modifier is? All I know is that I've scoped heavies, had my charge, blasted them in the head, and they walked away. Every. Single. Time.

I read it was near 500% but it has to at least be at 300 for me to get that kill

First of all, there's no way it's 500%. No freaking way. The charge, at full spec sans a damage modifier, is 362 (with all your skills leveled 100%). Throw on a damage modifier, and you get to the 400's. I was leveled all the way in everything and shot a heavy in the head, and he did not die.

I've heard it's 2x or 3x, but the point is we don't know. You shot a heavy that was already low on health.

Please tell me MLG PRO Goonswarm, how your ar should gank tanks like scouts

It had full health

Maybe it took damage as soon as i shot it?

You flatter me. I didn't think I'd see the day when an STB member was noble enough to lay a direct compliment on someone from KEQ.

I'm BHD (Better Hide or Die)! Oooo!

Still.. This thread took a curve ball to the face. Ha!

Never touch tanks. ;p

Besides R.I.B are my initials. Ha-ha. Still that was funny.

It's called aiming, try it sometimes

If they've been nerfed it wasn't to the level they have nerfed everything else.

When was the last time you've seen someone die by a breach ar

Less than 12 hours ago (just before last downtime), on the "cramped" city scape map. Deathmatch play not objectives.

Caught of guard, reloading, etc?

Is the community systematically trying to get everything to just be Assault Rifles

Ive seen Tank Nerfs, Dropship Nerfs, callings for a Shotgun and Sniper Rifle Nerf, Forge Gun Nerfs, Remote Explosives Nerfs, and I saw a Terrain Nerf thread today.

What the **** are you trying to do? If you want everyone to run around with an AR please go play another damn game. Get the hell out of this one, let this one be different for people who are tired of playing COD, BF3, and any other bunny hopping, buddy butt fuc king, spray and pray, ****** ass game. For the love of god everyone does not want to play that ****. It's boring and the same thing we've been playing for years. I want something different, something I have to think about, strategize with a team, play as a team, I don't want to see everyone running around with the same damn weapon. I want to see tanks, and bombers, and ships, and fighter jets, snipers, mortar teams, artillery, all that ****. I want to feel like Im in a battle, not like Im on a damn paintball field. I can go play paintball anytime if I want to. When I play a game I want something else.

I know everyone thinks they are God's Gift to FPS. I know everyone thinks they are the best player in the whole world, and that sniper can't possible be better than you. That tank driver can't possibly be better than you cause you use a fuc king AR. I know you think you're King **** because you use an AR, but you aren't, the tank driver and sniper just might happen to be smarter, or just want to play something different, or dare I say it better than you. I know it's hard for gamers to admit they aren't the best player at that particular game, but if you keep dieing to something, maybe it isn't OP, maybe you just suck. I know I know, how can I say that, we're all top 10 material, that's why there are 1000 entries on the leaderboards, I know none of us can possibly be worse than someone else.

So my question, once everyone is running with just assault rifles, what are you gonna nerf next? Suits? Or perhaps we'll start nerfing individual playstations, maybe the top 100 players should have a 3 second delay in there commands, make them less OP? Or perhaps we should make all their inputs backwards? Yes Yes that sounds good.

Way to not run out of ammo quickly, don't miss, don't just hold the trigger down, no spraying and praying.

Yes Maybe the AR guy is better than the tank driver, maybe, however most battles are won by brains kid. And you have a serious intelligence deficiency if you are shooting a tank with an AR, which I have seen way too much of. I can use an AR fairly well. I just need to train some AR skills to catchup, however, I prefer driving my tank. Should my playing experience be lessened because I choose not to run around with an AR? Is an Assault guys time or effort worth more than mine? Is it wrong to not want to be a bunny hopping ******? I think not.

Oh and I forgot Grenade and SMG Nerfs, Ive seen those as well.

Which also brings me to think that the people calling for the tank nerf, were the same retards shooting my tank with an AR? I mean did you really expect that to work? Ill gladly pay for you some M16 rounds, we'll drive to a military base, and Ill let you shoot 1000 rounds at a real tank, and we'll see how much damage you do it. Im betting the bullet will ricochet back and kill you before that tank blows up, actually I know that'll happen first, and that isn't likely to happen either.

Oh and you do realize that with suits there should be a give and take. Scouts should do more damage because they have less HP than the other 3 suits....and work your way up from there. On the reverse of that, if you're breaking the role of your suit you should get murdered. IE a scout suit with an AR in CQC. The scout should get murdered, however, if he keeps his distance and takes the time to snipe you, then yes you should be dead.

We don't joke about lamposts last build.

Bye bye logi lav...

Agreed. The vast majority of players I run into are all using assault rifles. They need to increase the spread on those guns. They have everything going for them, and really no drawback.

ARs are the best and should always be the best. In every game, what do competitive players use? The assault rifle. Why? because it is the most effective in a very diverse role. That's why it's better, and that's why it widely used.

Last time I checked tanks, orbital strikes, dropships, and LAVs could mow through AR users like butter. So what are you complaining about again?

idiot

Although assault rifles are a diverse gun with multiple roles, outside of the assault rifle there is not a match. Not even the submachine guns come close, its almost like its just the assault rifle. Hence why you see people sniping alot because outside of the assault rifle there is just no other match really.

Is the community systematically trying to get everything to just be Assault Rifles

Ive seen Tank Nerfs, Dropship Nerfs, callings for a Shotgun and Sniper Rifle Nerf, Forge Gun Nerfs, Remote Explosives Nerfs, and I saw a Terrain Nerf thread today.

What the **** are you trying to do? If you want everyone to run around with an AR please go play another damn game. Get the hell out of this one, let this one be different for people who are tired of playing COD, BF3, and any other bunny hopping, buddy butt fuc king, spray and pray, ****** ass game. For the love of god everyone does not want to play that ****. It's boring and the same thing we've been playing for years. I want something different, something I have to think about, strategize with a team, play as a team, I don't want to see everyone running around with the same damn weapon. I want to see tanks, and bombers, and ships, and fighter jets, snipers, mortar teams, artillery, all that ****. I want to feel like Im in a battle, not like Im on a damn paintball field. I can go play paintball anytime if I want to. When I play a game I want something else.

I know everyone thinks they are God's Gift to FPS. I know everyone thinks they are the best player in the whole world, and that sniper can't possible be better than you. That tank driver can't possibly be better than you cause you use a fuc king AR. I know you think you're King **** because you use an AR, but you aren't, the tank driver and sniper just might happen to be smarter, or just want to play something different, or dare I say it better than you. I know it's hard for gamers to admit they aren't the best player at that particular game, but if you keep dieing to something, maybe it isn't OP, maybe you just suck. I know I know, how can I say that, we're all top 10 material, that's why there are 1000 entries on the leaderboards, I know none of us can possibly be worse than someone else.

So my question, once everyone is running with just assault rifles, what are you gonna nerf next? Suits? Or perhaps we'll start nerfing individual playstations, maybe the top 100 players should have a 3 second delay in there commands, make them less OP? Or perhaps we should make all their inputs backwards? Yes Yes that sounds good.

Buff all the guns?
Buff ALL the guns!

Yes, OHK's for EVERYONE.