It would do wonders for your image if you'd drop the members that do nothing but roll tanks, and more recently just sit around whining about them. I don't think people hate STB, so much as they hate seeing them in tanks nonstop.

how do i join?

Quickgloves,

As much as I am learning more about, and gaining respect for, good fps players we have to look ahead.

You probably already realize that DUST is a whole new beast. And it's not something EVE Players understand or something that MAG Players get... no one understands how DUST works because we're not done baking it yet.

But, since STB will no doubt form a corporation; and since corporations are known for successfully making image changes to improve business outcomes; i'd say you're in the right game.

I don't have a step by step plan to suggest but you might consider how you will market, recruit and 'sell' the STB brand when the whole of New Eden will be competing against you.

In that regard, I might suggest openly defining your corporate goals to the DUST (and then EVE) community. Will STB be a 'Guns for Hire', Faction Warfare Aligned, Training Consultants or what kind of business will you be in?

Just an idea for a direction to look for answers

It looks bad when you aimlessly bump your thread. When one person writes 5 posts in a row, it looks like you're just wh0rinng for attention. I think this is where all the hate comes from. Boasting about how many threads are made because of STB doesn't look too good either. With the way this EvE world sounds like, you can't be over confident or over weak. You seem to be taking the over confident side. The STB thread should have stopped 50 pages ago. Rest assured that we are all aware of your presence. Cool bunch of people if you get to know them though.

Quick question: You don't happen to be drunk while your posting are you?

serious question, noticed the abundance spelling errors

just ogt off a14 hour shift im an industrial mechainic in a glass house yes im drinking lol its 2 am an im all high strung wishing to take the edge off but wife got beer instead of whiskey ps sleepy way to own me today with your sniper from afar an smg up close props my man


ps would love to recruit u> ? lol

Ok, so here it is.

Obvisouly people dont like STB.

we have lived with this stigmata since MAG

I want to curb it.

I am not a dictator, a piece of watever or anything more than a diehard gamer an low end game programer

I love dust i love STB an i love MAG

I hold the most public page of STb an want feedback here to help curb the negative image we hold

STB is a large fun group that try to win at any cost, if you hate on that then we can never b friends but if you read this an know i am bieng sincere i hope to meet with Corp leaders an discuss a bright futuer in Dust were STb isnt the target of annomsity an MAG rascisim


Dev's i understand if you lock this thread, but as one of the larger Dust corps an ur piggy banks i implore you to leave it here in generla discussion until somone breaks your rules. an hence its a general discussion forum i have not broken any yet an this thread is for helping STB move foprward in your baby an awsome world in NEw eden

I got no problem with STB whatsoever. Bunch of dudes who know how to win through team work is what I see. Usually its the lone wolf f***ing rambos who have a problem with STB.
So from me to STB, peace.

My one issue with STB EV Gravity and Hive mind as a whole is there assumption that there the best, when clearly there average player base is blow par. You guys take in anybody good or bad, and expect people to believe your a top clan.

Make some good KDR requirements and maybe iLL consider it.

My one issue with STB EV Gravity and Hive mind as a whole is there assumption that there the best, when clearly there average player base is blow par. You guys take in anybody good or bad, and expect people to believe your a top clan.

Make some good KDR requirements and maybe iLL consider it.

Ok, so here it is.

Obvisouly people dont like STB.

we have lived with this stigmata since MAG

I want to curb it.

I am not a dictator, a piece of watever or anything more than a diehard gamer an low end game programer

I love dust i love STB an i love MAG

I hold the most public page of STb an want feedback here to help curb the negative image we hold

STB is a large fun group that try to win at any cost, if you hate on that then we can never b friends but if you read this an know i am bieng sincere i hope to meet with Corp leaders an discuss a bright futuer in Dust were STb isnt the target of annomsity an MAG rascisim


Dev's i understand if you lock this thread, but as one of the larger Dust corps an ur piggy banks i implore you to leave it here in generla discussion until somone breaks your rules. an hence its a general discussion forum i have not broken any yet an this thread is for helping STB move foprward in your baby an awsome world in NEw eden

Why would you want to curb an established reputation as a merc corp? Who gives a rats hind end if people hate? Most that do can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, and if so long as you win within the confines of the game mechanics an EULA, screw 'em.

sincerly thank you its nice to get psotive feedback in a thrad about STB over negative for a change


N i know some of you here are saving face an not openly attacking me about psoting this asking for help i do thank you
for not goin nutz over this


I am a normal guy that knows my limits in MAG a bad PR held us back i dont want that roadblock here its a new game a new face a new time

No problem bro.
I've fought you guys many times during the course of this beta and many times I've had my a$$ handed to me on a plate......very fairly and tastefully, good team work and good tactics from what I've seen of you guys so far.

In this game numbers are more important than they are in other fps games
so typically corps will have a range of skill levels, you just have to build those skills up in some of your "scrubbier" players

ya they are but u see others take the easy route and just open the floodgates and inv anyone with a pulse and thumbs to join.
whereas ive always looked at players potential, some may not be as good as others but i look into their potential to improve and those are the players i tend to recruit along with the great ones. I wont sacrifice the standards and beliefs of my clan just to become another zerg army with 490 scrubs who can barely put down randoms with only like 10 good players.

Ill gladly take the harder route and search for those talented and rough diamonds to bring into my ranks and train them
and no this isnt "elitisim" u will never hear us say that or call ourselves "elite" because we believe callin urself elite starts to make u think ur unbeatable and starts makin u lazy, we are a hardworking fun loving highly competitive group

lookout for us when corps are finally put in :)

Quickgloves,

As much as I am learning more about, and gaining respect for, good fps players we have to look ahead.

You probably already realize that DUST is a whole new beast. And it's not something EVE Players understand or something that MAG Players get... no one understands how DUST works because we're not done baking it yet.

But, since STB will no doubt form a corporation; and since corporations are known for successfully making image changes to improve business outcomes; i'd say you're in the right game.

I don't have a step by step plan to suggest but you might consider how you will market, recruit and 'sell' the STB brand when the whole of New Eden will be competing against you.

In that regard, I might suggest openly defining your corporate goals to the DUST (and then EVE) community. Will STB be a 'Guns for Hire', Faction Warfare Aligned, Training Consultants or what kind of business will you be in?

Just an idea for a direction to look for answers

That there is perceived hatred and fawn trolling over STB in a beta is ridiculous. Aside from some here and there questionable forum behavior what is it they have really done?

Carried a reputation over from another game?
Get over it if you care about that then you're a kittening baby. Leave Dust before you cry blood and cower In a corner. This game will do more than hurt your feelings it will crush your soul.

Shot a lot of people in the face?
Pretty much see above.

Exploited items in the game that can be abusive?
This is a beta. Everyone should be trying to break the game as much as possible. The more things are pushed, the more things can be tweaked, the closer to balanced Dust launches. If you don't get that then pretty much see above.

So...you guys got the bad guy act down without much effort. If that's not what you're going for then...
Have your guys put on their Sunday best and use their table manners on the forum.
Once the game launches maybe consider not running around in pubs excessively stomping people with tanks.

On the other Hand the beTa players and Forum community need to lighten Up.

I don't hate STB.

I don't think people hate STB, so much as they hate seeing them in tanks nonstop.

I don't think STB is capable of that. You have to understand how STB came to be in MAG to understand why they play the way they play: In the beginning when MAG came out most veteran FPS gamers decided to play as the ragtag underdog SVER. So SVER won all the contracts initially, the contracts gave in-game buffs that essentially created a non-stop cycle. Back then there were no neutral maps, you defended your thematic map and attacked your enemies thematic map, and your map catered to your factions playstyle. SVER, for example, was all CQB, they had low accuracy but they hit like a truck. So all their maps emphasized CQB, this compounded a problem, though, all the objectives you needed to capture were in CQB. This made it virtually impossible for an otherwise equally skilled opposition of Valor or Raven to break through against SVER. Then all the nooblets got fed up with losing and moved to SVER, which created the problem that SVER always had twice as many players online as either of the other two factions combined. This is where STB came about, they formed around taking advantage of serious game imbalances and I don't think they're capable of doing anything except taking advantage of game imbalances, there's like a handful of STB with any legitimate skill which can be demonstrated by the tank nerf where you'll see STB tankers finally pulling out their all-proto fits and losing or almost losing them to scrubs in militia or standard gear.

Ok, so here it is.

Obvisouly people dont like STB.

we have lived with this stigmata since MAG

I want to curb it.

I am not a dictator, a piece of watever or anything more than a diehard gamer an low end game programer

I love dust i love STB an i love MAG

I hold the most public page of STb an want feedback here to help curb the negative image we hold

STB is a large fun group that try to win at any cost, if you hate on that then we can never b friends but if you read this an know i am bieng sincere i hope to meet with Corp leaders an discuss a bright futuer in Dust were STb isnt the target of annomsity an MAG rascisim


Dev's i understand if you lock this thread, but as one of the larger Dust corps an ur piggy banks i implore you to leave it here in generla discussion until somone breaks your rules. an hence its a general discussion forum i have not broken any yet an this thread is for helping STB move foprward in your baby an awsome world in NEw eden

Alright, you asked, I'll answer....


As I have made it known, I can't stand you guys. There is no amount of PR that you can do that will ever change my mind. I also came from MAG and I started on SVER when the game launched. That got boring and I vetted through. MAG died and here I am today.

At first when I saw you guys I thought it was a gimmick. Why would anyone carry over anything from MAG when that game committed suicide? So, I watched you on the forums and I watched you recruit players that I had played with. What I saw was a reemergence of SVER zerg-rush style tactics and, like the man said earlier, EZ-Moders/Exploiter play-style. I realized it wasn't a gimmick, you were actually trying to become the SVER MAG vet sanctuary.

I didn't have a problem with you until I played one game were entire squad of you guys were snipers. I detest players that don't know their role and in this game your entire squad of snipers didn't know their role. I can't team kill but I got lucky and switched teams. I hunted that squad the whole game. Shortly thereafter, I saw on the forums all the posts and propagation of this idea that if people don't like you than you must be pretty awesome. Your corps behavior reminded me of 4chan idiots and I am still watching that kind of mentality spill into this game via your players.

This thread is a perfect example of what I am talking about. You have posted replies and I can't decipher what it is you are trying to say because you can't spell (even though there is a spell check so I have concluded it must be because of laziness) and the rest of the your members that post have the same problem or just post nonsense as everyone likes each other.

You want to fix your image? Change the name, dump the idiots, and try to act like you didn't just discover 4chan... but then you wouldn't be STb would you?

tl;dr All I see is a giant scrub circle jerk.

lol this guy needs a tampon just saying... everyones posting so far has had a level repsectful answer .. your response = im mad casue u zerg rushed me an wrecked me.. not good sir not good

Quick, a few comments from a long time EVE player and a dedicated DUST player.

Forum posting in EVE and DUST, if you have thin skin don't post, don't even read them. Most threads on EVEO usually end up as nothing more than flame wars.

Reputation, what stinking reputation? (sarcasm) Goons are known for their griefing and trolling on the forums. The reputation that you are worried about should be whether or not you are able to complete your contracts using what ever it takes to win, period. Goons are also known for being able to bring the fight to you even when they are outclassed as they were in the early days of the BOB war. I hated Goons and hated being in their ts lobby having to listen to all the coc*, dic*, cun*, and yomomma talk while waiting for a drag into combat coms channel.

Quickgloves,

As much as I am learning more about, and gaining respect for, good fps players we have to look ahead.

You probably already realize that DUST is a whole new beast. And it's not something EVE Players understand or something that MAG Players get... no one understands how DUST works because we're not done baking it yet.

But, since STB will no doubt form a corporation; and since corporations are known for successfully making image changes to improve business outcomes; i'd say you're in the right game.

I don't have a step by step plan to suggest but you might consider how you will market, recruit and 'sell' the STB brand when the whole of New Eden will be competing against you.

In that regard, I might suggest openly defining your corporate goals to the DUST (and then EVE) community. Will STB be a 'Guns for Hire', Faction Warfare Aligned, Training Consultants or what kind of business will you be in?

Just an idea for a direction to look for answers

For the record, goon comms are nothing like this anymore. It's looked down on an awful lot now.

lol this guy needs a tampon just saying... everyones posting so far has had a level repsectful answer .. your response = im mad casue u zerg rushed me an wrecked me.. not good sir not good

Agreed, Goon coms have chillaxed alot now compared to the past. I am not a goon but am part of the CFC and have had numerous operations with them. I have not had any problems with them, compared to what I would have had say.. 2 years ago

lol this guy needs a tampon just saying... everyones posting so far has had a level repsectful answer .. your response = im mad casue u zerg rushed me an wrecked me.. not good sir not good

Ok, so here it is.

Obvisouly people dont like STB.

we have lived with this stigmata since MAG

I want to curb it.

I am not a dictator, a piece of watever or anything more than a diehard gamer an low end game programer

I love dust i love STB an i love MAG

I hold the most public page of STb an want feedback here to help curb the negative image we hold

STB is a large fun group that try to win at any cost, if you hate on that then we can never b friends but if you read this an know i am bieng sincere i hope to meet with Corp leaders an discuss a bright futuer in Dust were STb isnt the target of annomsity an MAG rascisim


Dev's i understand if you lock this thread, but as one of the larger Dust corps an ur piggy banks i implore you to leave it here in generla discussion until somone breaks your rules. an hence its a general discussion forum i have not broken any yet an this thread is for helping STB move foprward in your baby an awsome world in NEw eden

Can't lie they are great to play with. U can't go 10 min without laughng at something. Lol Or yell for joy. They r fun to play with and know there stuff. But as we all know i like 843 better. :) THE CAKE IS A LIE I didn't read page 2 or 3 so i hope i didn't miss anything. Lol

I hate all these ******** threads where bad players and bad clans talk shite

Will only get worse when the main EVE-O idiots are around and the forums are merged.

I suggest you find somewhere else to post if it bothers you that much because it's actually pretty good at the moment and will get a hell of a lot worse.

Over 63% of the threads on the first 2 pages on in COAD (Part of the EVE forums) are people bitching about Goonwaffe/Test.

There is a vast amount of trash talking among console players. Never understood why. Seems rediculous most of the time.

Just male back slapping bravado games.

Also concerning tanks:

The guys you see rolling the big heavy tanks game in game out... Lurch, Ted and the gang.... They said right from the beginning that they were going to be dedicated tank drivers. Don't believe me? I have posts about Lurch organizing an all tank division. That's their job, and why the EV is such an awesome organization. We have people in a vent chat everyday teaching the new recruits how it's done.

ITs called specialization, and creating experts in the field.
You laugh while they perfect their skills as tank drivers, and call them noob stomping.

We look at it as, running experts with tanks, teaching the new guys how to maximize the tanks. Because when we have 5-10 thousand players in the Entropy Virus... we are going to use those experts to teach the kiddies how to roll.

In the end, even if STB was being cocky.... or noob stomping....

Welcome to the World of New Eden.

where you gotta win however you have to. Anyone that thinks that making use of an advantage is weak, is going to get a lot of flak for when he loses, and it was in his power to win.

Well said Dane

I wasn't sure how I would reply, but after thinking about it, here is my take.

So far, my favorite STB is DEADPOOL. He seems like a good guy and we have had some very respectful exchanges in the forums, and are looking forward to some healthy and fun exchanges on the battlefield. He vouched for quite a few STB's as good folk, but acknowledged that every group your size has some, what I will dub, 'characters'. Now, I have had some run-ins with Ted and Fork and Rage and others, and they have generally been pretty fun duals that usually end up eye-for-an-eye back and forth. Some banter back and forth in the forums, but usually, pretty respectable.

I think the real problem with STB's image is A LOT of baggage from previous lifetimes -- and a few folks that have not 'grown up' to the level of respect that the average EvE/Dust player expects. As it has been pointed out here (on the forums before), this is a bit of an older community, less bent on making other people feel bad, or showing up the other guy, and more of a community of folks that have been gaming in all kind of capacities for the past 20 - 30 years and really have found the pinnacle of gaming in the New Eden universe.

So, just don't be afraid to be self-policing when it comes to folks in the STB clan. If you lead by example and put the kibosh on posts and behavior that is unbecoming of a respectful and play-hard gamer, then I feel STB could be know in New Eden as a group to be reckoned with for the right reasons.

Good luck gents (and ladies I trust) and I look forward to every time I see "exemplary" STB'ers in the play list. Whether or not it is on my side or the opposite team, I always know it will be a good, hard-fought game!

- In Hoc

As for self-policing, I am not a fan of the idea. While I don't always agree with the way some of us present ideas, I will always agree they have the freedom to say what they want. They play the game, same as you and I. So what right do I have to tell someone not to post on the forums, because what they posted. While we are taking steps to make a better impression with the community, I can not stop any player from posting what they feel is worthy of your views.

Again TY for your support of what I am doing, it gives me more motivation to continue to help the community. If you have some suggestions for my future threads, please feel free to post and I will work with you on ideas.

Cheers Dane, KCCO as always!!
DPGäó

I'm still waiting for an email to give you my opinion.... should i wait for hell to freeze over first?

I think half the problem was that people only see what they wanted to see, they would read a forum post and already have a pre-concieved notion that STB is a bunch of d bags because the last 3 posts said so. I read one forum post about them and went hey they sound pretty good so i'll contact them, checked it out and everyone is friendly and always just wanting to run together and play the game. I can assure you no one goes "BAHAHA lets drive tanks and f*ck with people"

STB is chill and cool and i think unless you hop in a game with us and TALK to us then you dont have a complete opinion.

I'm still waiting for an email to give you my opinion.... should i wait for hell to freeze over first?

i sent it hours ago

Dont double post, it's bad etiquette, as are using 5 year old cookie and cake memes.

This is your biggest problem of all STB, Your horrible, horrible forum posting along with the stupid names, Why is STB needed in your tags? It will be on your corp ticker next build. Why is EV needed? They are nobody and when they failcascade you'll be stuck with a reminder of EV in your user name for the rest of your Dust career, far after EV have been forgotten about and people will just think it's some stupid random letters on the end of your user name.


The forum chest beating is tolerated and expected so it hardly effects your image, you just need to get better at it and how you do it need's to improve.

Don't let idiots post on the forums unless it's well known that all STB members DO NOT speak for STB and are only voicing their own opinions so they get ridiculed personally and not the whole corp is looked down on. Have a small, core group of people who CAN voice STB's opinions on things formally on the forums but make sure they are educated and can spell, someone like Deadpool who is respected and knows how to write, not someone like the mongaloid 14 year old caffeine addict that posted above me.

Don't post drunk, Slosh OPs are normal for EVE and will be for Dust, but don't forum post, you'll dig yourself a hole every single time and look like a ******* muppet the following day. Don't take the bait when you get flamed on the forums, it will generate you much, much more hatred because you're ignoring the idiots which gives you better coverage in new eden and more people complain about you, but you keep your respect and dignity in tact by not getting into flame wars, by all means, troll them and make them look even more stupid than they already are, but you all need to learn to troll correctly first.

i've got no emails.

[email protected]
[email protected]

Should both work.

sent you an email

Dont double post, it's bad etiquette, as are using 5 year old cookie and cake memes.

This is your biggest problem of all STB, Your horrible, horrible forum posting along with the stupid names, Why is STB needed in your tags? It will be on your corp ticker next build. Why is EV needed? They are nobody and when they failcascade you'll be stuck with a reminder of EV in your user name for the rest of your Dust career, far after EV have been forgotten about and people will just think it's some stupid random letters on the end of your user name.


The forum chest beating is tolerated and expected so it hardly effects your image, you just need to get better at it and how you do it need's to improve.

Don't let idiots post on the forums unless it's well known that all STB members DO NOT speak for STB and are only voicing their own opinions so they get ridiculed personally and not the whole corp is looked down on. Have a small, core group of people who CAN voice STB's opinions on things formally on the forums but make sure they are educated and can spell, someone like Deadpool who is respected and knows how to write, not someone like the mongaloid 14 year old caffeine addict that posted above me.

Don't post drunk, Slosh OPs are normal for EVE and will be for Dust, but don't forum post, you'll dig yourself a hole every single time and look like a ******* muppet the following day. Don't take the bait when you get flamed on the forums, it will generate you much, much more hatred because you're ignoring the idiots which gives you better coverage in new eden and more people complain about you, but you keep your respect and dignity in tact by not getting into flame wars, by all means, troll them and make them look even more stupid than they already are, but you all need to learn to troll correctly first.

Going from your post, Deadpool, it appears to me that you and STB are under the assumption that you can be a serious, big name corp in New Eden and still operate like any other small time clan from every other FPS.
If that's so it'll be interesting to see your reaction to the new reality you've placed yourselves in.

Going from your post, Deadpool, it appears to me that you and STB are under the assumption that you can be a serious, big name corp in New Eden and still operate like any other small time clan from every other FPS. If that's so it'll be interesting to see your reaction to the new reality you've placed yourselves in.

Indeed,


Deadpool, I know it's a game, but this thread is about feedback and advice to STB, that's what i was giving. I fail to see your issue?

Can you describe this new reality that I am not aware of? I just need clarification on this before I comment. I don't want to seem ignorant but I am unaware of what you are getting at.

This is not my first MMO, this is not my first clan/corp/league. I have played and worked for small leagues in DCUO with 40 players to having my own 200+ squad in Angels of Death (AoD) and working my way up through a league with 10,000 members in it. I see no difference in that to New Eden.

We at STB are becoming a large family.

@Cerebral Wolf Jr,

I get what you're saying, my apologies if I did not clearly respond to your post. While I agree with you, that certain players should not say certain things on these forums as it comes across badly for STB or any corp for that matter. But my point Cerebral, was that I can not tell a player not to post. I am not an officer of STB, I am not Quickgloves and a leader of my corp.

May I ask to whom you are referring to at STB that makes posts that are not showing us off in a good way?

What I can do though, is speak to those players and have an open discussion with them on forums posting and maybe I can help them. Again I want to encourage players to post. I want more and more players to post in the forums. But with that I must take the good and the bad. Not everything even I say, is always good. But I try and I know they are all trying as well.

I have no issue, I am simply pointing out that this is game, games are meant to be fun. So no matter the politics or what ever that New Eden will present in the coming months and years that I and STB play Dust, I will always see this as just a game to make me happy.

Ty, I know your just trying to be helpful in your own way. So +1 from me for being honest and civil about this.

You seem to think EVE/Dust Corporations are just the kind of thing where a bunch of guys who like playing together do whatever they feel like with no real authority coming from the leaders and officers. EVE and Dust corporations rely upon a largely strict hierarchy, this is why most serious corporations are structured more like a corporate bureaucracy or in the case of the Goons a dictatorship rather than a happy go-lucky group of casuals mucking about.

You seem to think EVE/Dust Corporations are just the kind of thing where a bunch of guys who like playing together do whatever they feel like with no real authority coming from the leaders and officers. EVE and Dust corporations rely upon a largely strict hierarchy, this is why most serious corporations are structured more like a corporate bureaucracy or in the case of the Goons a dictatorship rather than a happy go-lucky group of casuals mucking about.



Like I said, you seem to be under the illusion that EVE corps and the politicking that goes on inside and between them is like any other MMO or FPS out there. This is not the case unless you're happy sitting in your own corner being nobody of importance.



That's awesome. Good for you, unfortunately other corporations who are able to organize better by having an actual hierarchy will take advantage of your lack of one.

I didn't think your post was unclear, quite the opposite, i actually felt that you didn't like the fact i replied on topic and gave my opinion.

I know you can't tell people to post or not to post, that's impossible to moderate, even as an "officer" in a corp. People will alway rebel and not pay attention and do what they want, that's just the way things are. What i'd propose is making sure that the community knows who the important people are making sure they know not to view individual posters as the views of STB. Making people like Quickgloves much more high profile, making sure he speaks in an official capacity at all times for example means people will take him seriously all the time and look at him for official stances on issues etc rather than listening to your average member.

As for people who i think don't give you guys much credibility on the forums, i'd have to say all of them except yourselves, Quickgloves maybe the boss, but even his posting is terrible and looks like a 12 year old wrote them. You all need to remember that Corps in New Eden are a business, not a social club, if you want to win contracts you need to act and behave to a certain way, a certain level of maturity and professionalism is expected, avin sum1 talk leik dis will get dem ignored innit and they won't win any contracts because people will see them as idiots and judge them based on that. Forum presence and presentation is a big part of your corp and has to be dealt with well. Even large corps like Goonwaffe expect a certain level of behavior and if that's not met or someone makes a massive idiot of themselves they have to do something to make sure they learn their lesson, such as a fine, giving someone a tank or whatever, In EVE we actually make people write something like an apology note, go to the nearest hardware store, stick a plunger on their head on the middle of the store, hold the note up and have a friend take a photo for us, it gets the message across very well and ensures people learn and don't continue to make a tit of themselves and of the corp.

Encouraging people to post is always good, it's the foundation of a lot of corps, personally we always say "Never not post" or something like that to remind people to keep up to date and chat with people etc etc.

I know it's a game, i know it's meant to be fun, there is a certain degree of seriousness needed and expected in EVE though, certainly when you want to secure large contracts, make powerful allies and play the political game as it all requires a level of commitment that is going to take more than just "playing the game for fun". If you want to be the best, you have to balance having fun and being serious. Somethings take months or even years in EVE, it took us Years to destroy BoB and took a lot of seriousness as well as fun.

As for people who i think don't give you guys much credibility on the forums, i'd have to say all of them except yourselves, Quickgloves maybe the boss, but even his posting is terrible and looks like a 12 year old wrote them. You all need to remember that Corps in New Eden are a business, not a social club, if you want to win contracts you need to act and behave to a certain way, a certain level of maturity and professionalism is expected, avin sum1 talk leik dis will get dem ignored innit and they won't win any contracts because people will see them as idiots and judge them based on that. Forum presence and presentation is a big part of your corp and has to be dealt with well.

Also not everyone will play that style of game, in fact VERY few of the corps here are going to go that way. Do you really see COD, BF3 etc, players taking Dust on the PS3 that seriously? This is a console FPSMMO working with a PC MMO. The first of its kind, so while you see it through EVE eyes as a player of that game, most if not ALL of the console gamers won't give two ***** about that and take contracts and jobs because they can, not because of some dictatorship from another corp.

I now get what you both are getting at, your Eve players and you have had years of working in Eve and you know a lot more then I know. I give you that much for sure guys. But what we are about to do with CCP and Dust has never been tried before. So your expectations of the future is only one of many futures this game has.

Ok, so here it is.

Obvisouly people dont like STB.

we have lived with this stigmata since MAG

I want to curb it.

I am not a dictator, a piece of watever or anything more than a diehard gamer an low end game programer

I love dust i love STB an i love MAG

I hold the most public page of STb an want feedback here to help curb the negative image we hold

STB is a large fun group that try to win at any cost, if you hate on that then we can never b friends but if you read this an know i am bieng sincere i hope to meet with Corp leaders an discuss a bright futuer in Dust were STb isnt the target of annomsity an MAG rascisim


Dev's i understand if you lock this thread, but as one of the larger Dust corps an ur piggy banks i implore you to leave it here in generla discussion until somone breaks your rules. an hence its a general discussion forum i have not broken any yet an this thread is for helping STB move foprward in your baby an awsome world in NEw eden

Deadpool,

This is turning into a really good thread and a very good discussion that's touching on things much deeper than just STB and i think it's safe to say we'll all take away things from this, it's nice to have a conversation without it turning into a flamefest.

I do think STB has a Hierarchy, in fact i know a lot more of STB and EV that 99% of the forum users here and possibly even more than some STB/EV members due to the resources we have available and i did touch on this with Quickgloves earlier to give him a little insight into what he's going to have to start and consider when i emailed him earlier.

I don't think the BF3, CoD and Halo players will play Dust the same way as we will at all, but at the same time i think they won't get the same forum coverage or even bother with the meta gaming and the forum posting so it's kinda a moot point there suggesting that their style of play will be a regular part of the Dust community. The players who are reading this and the players who are interested in this sort of thing are the exact people what will make a difference and will be a part of the community.

I know Quickgloves is a good guy, I've been chatting to him via Email and I've seen a lot of his posts on the forums, I'm not criticizing anything about him at all, i like him and he is exactly the sort of player that's going to make an impact here. I was just commenting on how his posts could come over and that a little extra effort here and there would make a huge impact on his and STB's reputation. Goons can be serious too sometimes and i am actually trying to help and not troll here. :D

I do think you being PR was a great call by STB and you've already done a great deal to improve the image, this thread alone has done you a massive amount of good as it's shown you're all willing to learn and take a little constructive criticism and that's something to be respected.

Just had a great game with Ted and YoUnGcUz. Just wish we were all on comms. Nice game guys!

Ok at work still and very little time this afternoon to do responses, so if I don't get back to you guys Im not ignoring you.

Yes, this has been a great conversation today, again to both of you I say TY TY

Between you and me, I wondered where some of the ideas for the changes we are doing were coming from. So if you and Quick are responsible then I thank you again for reaching out to us at STB. Thats just really cool of you IMO.

Agreed a majority of players will never step into the meta game, some just can't because they are Console players and don't have PC's or web access like you and the rest of us do. Its going to be rough for them and actually that will be my next thread, ways to help smaller corps and players get into meta game and the rest of Dust on New Eden. I may need your help in that for ideas, if you don't mind. I also agree we the beta forum posters are the ones that will influence the rest of New Eden better then a very large chunk of the players.

Quick is a great guy, he is the backbone of STB and we would follow that bastard into hell if it meant we got some kills along the way. He will have an impact on this community and threads like this are a prime example of just that. I think he is seeing, heck we all are seeing the difference between here and MAG/DCUO/COD/BF3 and we will have to change to get what we want out of New Eden or New Eden won't work with us. We are joining their game, but in a unique way.

Thanks, I appreciate that very much. But there is others who will be doing the same work if not more and better. But they will make themselves known in the next few weeks. Again thanks to suggestions like yours and others we are working on a few things in house to change from MAG to Dust and all that goes with that change.

In our ventrillo weekly meetings, It maybe time for me to finally speak. I have let Quick and Hivemind do all the talking, while I sit back and listen. I needed to know more before I spoke up to the group. But now, I know what I need to do and with some more discussions with good folks like you and then talking to my corp, I'm sure things will change for the better.

STB is #10 in the Corp list. Good, that gives me motivation to get to #1. That gives me something to work towards with STB.

Please add me to your PSN if you would like. Deadpool5241 and we can group up sometime and kill some players or just sit back and chat about everything. I look forward to speaking to you.

Well back to work, I have to continue my daily fight against the IRS for my clients and I have spent to much of this day working on STB.

Nice, thanks for posting about it. Ted cracks me up, he is a good ole boy and I love it. YoungCuz is just a straight up baller when it comes to this game and I really enjoy playing with that bastard

Thanks Dane +1 from me bud.

Do you guys mind if I PSN you guys too? I'd love to get into more collab-ing with true players of the game!

Yeah Dane you can add me to PSN.

Ok, so here it is.

Obvisouly people dont like STB.

we have lived with this stigmata since MAG

I want to curb it.

I am not a dictator, a piece of watever or anything more than a diehard gamer an low end game programer

I love dust i love STB an i love MAG

I hold the most public page of STb an want feedback here to help curb the negative image we hold

STB is a large fun group that try to win at any cost, if you hate on that then we can never b friends but if you read this an know i am bieng sincere i hope to meet with Corp leaders an discuss a bright futuer in Dust were STb isnt the target of annomsity an MAG rascisim


Dev's i understand if you lock this thread, but as one of the larger Dust corps an ur piggy banks i implore you to leave it here in generla discussion until somone breaks your rules. an hence its a general discussion forum i have not broken any yet an this thread is for helping STB move foprward in your baby an awsome world in NEw eden

Sent. Wolf? Obviously we have had good convo too. Love to friend you on PSN.

EDIT: AnubisKB if you would rather send.

Ok STB is working on presenting the true chain of command within STB.


We operate as a syndicate an model our leadership after it.

STB doesn't seem to bother me much as my 4 man crew rolls all av, I maxed out my forge guns so I have my own tank wrecking crew I love tank spammers they give me the most sp/isk over anything. Bring them on I say I look at STB as a blessing my skillbooks would be low if not for them. :D

To bad all the tank players in STB went AR with the tank update. Oh well maybe next time :)

Stop posting here and reply to my last email. :D

Yea I have my AR deterent aswell maxed out burst hmg with sharpshooter, thankfully the 1mill made that possible. I think I destroyed you personally quite a few times made you dance on air, I always have backup I can't remember but your name looks familiar is hmg fails me I tend to switch to forge and smg to destroy at all ranges. Though lately snipers have become my biggest issue :( But dropships tend to sort them out.

* /me * adds 'Luna Vuhrast' to the list.

Quickgloves, Deadpool..

You may want to check this out, it's a perfect example of what we discussed:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37349&find=unread

he is not stb

Lol can't tell if that is sarcasm or honesty lol Text fail?